LDS Apostle visited Tonga

LDS Apostle visited Tonga

There are 30182 comments on the Matangi Tonga story from Feb 24, 2014, titled LDS Apostle visited Tonga. In it, Matangi Tonga reports that:

Elder Neil L. Andersen, a member of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Salt Lake City, During their short stay in Tonga, the Apostle met and counseled church leaders to hasten the work of the Lord in Tonga.

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#1579 May 4, 2014
tongangodz wrote:
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I think man creates war, strife, anger, grief, and shame, not religion. Out in t middle of t ocean in t Pacific, lived a ppl (Tongan) so far and isolated from t rest of t world, it took a couple of thousand years before we were discovered n though we came from biggest nation on earth t Pacific ocean, however t elements didn't keep us from creating a maritime empire n yes it was achieved through war strife anger grief n shame still. It wasn't unti Christian religions entered into t picture n our ancestors started to develop a knowledge n relations w t God of Abraham Issac n Jacob, when peace began to cover t land.
These wars you've mentioned have been prophesied long ago as t signs of times when t second coming of t Messiah will occur, yes it was foretold that t hearts men will grow cold, n war will plague t land. However, like u my faith n hope in mankind is still bright. Peace!!!!!
True spirituality is not derived from a book.

Like other Polynesian Islanders, you have been robbed of your heritage, bamboozled.

Tonga mythology was replaced by a religion that claims humans are wicked sinners, corrupt, fallen, hopeless without the biblical God -- the world an evil, immoral place. Is this better than what your ancestors taught? Are these healthy beliefs?

What makes people chase their tails, claim authority on theological issues, argue issues like faith -vs- works or demean each other, when they could be pursuing individual spiritual growth?

Everything is in YOU, not a book or church.

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#1580 May 4, 2014
Wanderer2452 wrote:
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Being attracted to the same gender is a sin?
Well, hang me by my balls from a bedpost; I keep learning new things here. Thanks.
Does being attracted to the opposite gender also a sin? I need to know before I nail the naked babe across the street.
It's OK to nail her, yes?
raider4life wrote:
<quoted text> so you gonna be a irritating little bit@h... were talking homosexual sex is a sin.....come w something of substance or just stfu convict
'Sin' as a pejorative appellation for what you consider a misdeed or immoral; an attempt to shame into subjugation.

How's that for substance?

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#1581 May 4, 2014
No Surprise wrote:
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You should have no need to respond to your own BS dude. Seriously. And grace isn't salvation. I'll say it again. GRACE IS NOT SALVATION. Salvation has never, ever been by the grace of Jesus/God. That's some more of your twisted perversions of what the scriptures have never ever stated.
Grace is the love of Jesus/God, plain and simple.
Grace is not salvation.
Grace is not baptism.
Grace is not faith.
Grace is not works.
Grace is the love of Jesus/God, plain and simple.
Salvation by and through Jesus/God is a complexity of rules and laws and commandments Jesus outlined for us to follow and believe to have/receive salvation by and through him/God.
You love to slice and dice what Jesus said concerning our salvation and him/God into a perversion of words and twisted ideas never ever muttered by Jesus/God.
Salvation is attainable by and through Jesus/God when we accept his love/grace and have faith and works, mixing them all together like a completed recipe.
Through perversion of thought you cast out works. Jesus included works with faith. He never ever separated the two. But you by a perversion of thought separate them.
Jesus and the apostles stated our faith in God/Jesus would be tested. They also stated BY OUR WORKS WE WOULD BE JUDGED. If works count as nothing according to your sick perversional thinking, than Jesus/God is a liar by your logic because you say works matter not with faith. But Jesus declared just the opposite. That our faith and works through belief in his grace/love we could be saved. But as usual you call Jesus/God a liar. You say we can't be judged by our works because grace and faith get us to heaven only. grace, fith and works don't get one to heaven you stated. So Jesus/God is a liar as usual to you because Jesus/God said by your works/faith in his grace you'll be saved.
You'll never establish your credentials as biblical authority by using manipulative language, demeaning others or pretending to be an expert theologian.

Those, along with quote mining, quote manufacturing, historical revisionism, and logical fallacy are the hallmarks of demagogues, apologists, propagandists, cult leaders and con artists.

You would be well served to abandon such techniques NoSurpriseSteppedInShit.
Lifuka

Tonga

#1582 May 4, 2014
Wanderer2452 wrote:
Wanderer2452 wrote:
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Being attracted to the same gender is a sin?
Well, hang me by my balls from a bedpost; I keep learning new things here. Thanks.
Does being attracted to the opposite gender also a sin? I need to know before I nail the naked babe across the street.
It's OK to nail her, yes?
<quoted text>
'Sin' as a pejorative appellation for what you consider a misdeed or immoral; an attempt to shame into subjugation.
How's that for substance?
Wish it were your own words and thoughts instead of reciting someone else's thoughts. Good luck!
Lifuka

Tonga

#1583 May 4, 2014
Wanderer2452 wrote:
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You'll never establish your credentials as biblical authority by using manipulative language, demeaning others or pretending to be an expert theologian.
Those, along with quote mining, quote manufacturing, historical revisionism, and logical fallacy are the hallmarks of demagogues, apologists, propagandists, cult leaders and con artists.
You would be well served to abandon such techniques NoSurpriseSteppedInShit.
Poor Wonderer! Your language reveals your true self and your level of IQ. Skip along to the cave you crawled from. Stay there until your beard starts growing. Ha ha ha!
uiha

United States

#1584 May 4, 2014
Wanderer2452 wrote:
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You'll never establish your credentials as biblical authority by using manipulative language, demeaning others or pretending to be an expert theologian.
Those, along with quote mining, quote manufacturing, historical revisionism, and logical fallacy are the hallmarks of demagogues, apologists, propagandists, cult leaders and con artists.
You would be well served to abandon such techniques NoSurpriseSteppedInShit.
wat a hypocrite ,u r wanderer da cuksuker,u makin no sense

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#1585 May 4, 2014
Lifuka wrote:
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Wish it were your own words and thoughts instead of reciting someone else's thoughts. Good luck!
When it comes to writing, Shakespeare already did it all.

Everything you think of has probably been thought of by someone before you.

Every religious leader subtracts or adds something to the mix. That's why there are 33,000+ Christian sects. Which Muslim denomination is correct? The Sunni, Shia, Wahhabi, Jaamat, Shafi, Sufi, Ahmadi or another one? Do Orthodox or Conservative Jews have it right? How about Buddha?

The authors of the bible were ingenious; scripture can mean anything you want it to mean. Saved by works? Absolutely. Saved by faith? Absolutely. It's dealer's choice, a reflection of ego, yes?

Signed by Wanderer, The Irrefutable Master Of This Forum.

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#1586 May 4, 2014
uiha wrote:
<quoted text>wat a hypocrite ,u r wanderer da cuksuker,u makin no sense
Everyone is a hypocrite.

Didn't you know that?
uiha

United States

#1587 May 4, 2014
Wanderer2452 wrote:
Wanderer2452 wrote:
<quoted text>
Being attracted to the same gender is a sin?
Well, hang me by my balls from a bedpost; I keep learning new things here. Thanks.
Does being attracted to the opposite gender also a sin? I need to know before I nail the naked babe across the street.
It's OK to nail her, yes?
<quoted text>
'Sin' as a pejorative appellation for what you consider a misdeed or immoral; an attempt to shame into subjugation.
How's that for substance?
why r u questioning,u kno wat sin ,we kno wst sin is n u think u kno it all ,but we kno u jussa a weakminded wretched with no foundation to stand on

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#1588 May 4, 2014
Dana Robertson wrote:
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All you have done is taken the time to be the usual jackass you are, trying to defend your perversions.
Defend my perversions? lolol.....way to fricking sad dude.
You're the one with the darkest, vilest, perverse, depraved thinking stated you wanted to be the murderer of a dead guy if it could happen all over again. That makes you a psychological murderer. In this case a psychological serial murderer because you would have murdered those four men, not just one.
You're the one with the darkest, vilest, perverse, depraved thinking that stated whatever happened to the early Mormons they deserved it. That included murder, assault, rape of little girls and women and maybe boys and men, theft, robbery and destruction of private property, tarring and feathering of males and females, beatings and whippings etc. You stated they deserved all that happened to them.
That makes you a supporter of murder, theft, rape, assault, beatings, whippings, tarrings and featherings, robbery, destruction of property etc. Your support of all that which happened to early Mormons sets you as having did it yourself.
You're the sickest depraved and perverse type thinking that affronts humanity. Your state of mental thought is perversion and will remain as such until you change it.

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#1589 May 4, 2014
raider4life wrote:
<quoted text> you just got married and you already fooling around....did your husband go back to his wife??....hihihihihihi
LOL..sai pe ia 'oku mohe ia!lol. Plus fu'u fo'i lole pe 'a Benz ia..hihihi

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#1590 May 4, 2014
Dana Robertson wrote:
Grace is salvation.
No it isn't. The scriptures no where state grace/love of God is salvation. Say it a thousand times and a thousand times you'll always be wrong.

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#1591 May 4, 2014
tongangodz wrote:
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Me too!!!
Have a great day babe...love u

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#1592 May 4, 2014
Dana Robertson wrote:
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Like how you are trying to include the rape of women and children as if I justified it when I said it was awful to the killing of a false prophet. Again, you're the only one who thinks your clever. Everyone else can see what an idiot you are. The Tongans only support you because you defend the perversion of Mormonism, and in doing so, your own mental illness.
I'm not clever dude. I just used some intelligence to read what you claim and write it out for you to understand what you wrote.
You made the statement without exclusions brain fart. You stated ALMOST verbatim, "What ever happened to those Mormons they deserved." That was your statement dude. You stated whatever happened to those early Mormons by those opposing them, they got everything coming to them that took place.
That means you support the rape that happened to Mormon women and girls dude. By supporting their rape that makes you a psychological rapist. Just like you support the murder of Smith and other Mormons and you support the beatings, whippings, the robberies and thefts, the destruction of their property, the tarring and feathering of males and females, your support makes you a psychological murderer, rapist, robber, destroyer of private property etc. By your dark perverse thinking you have put yourself there doing those deeds that were done by supporting all those actions done to those Mormons.

“No Answers, Only Questions”

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#1593 May 4, 2014
Wanderer2452 wrote:'Sin' as a pejorative appellation for what you consider a misdeed or immoral; an attempt to shame into subjugation.
uiha wrote:
<quoted text>why r u questioning,u kno wat sin ,we kno wst sin is n u think u kno it all ,but we kno u jussa a weakminded wretched with no foundation to stand on
Did you understand a word that I wrote?

Polynesians traded untainted pure cultures for religions based on guilt and shame, swapped naturalistic beliefs for a promised afterlife if they obeyed the authority of the bible, the missionaries, the church.

It's all about control, keep tithing that 10% dude.
uiha

United States

#1594 May 4, 2014
Wanderer2452 wrote:
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Everyone is a hypocrite.
Didn't you know that?
man u gotta be da biggest dumbarse next to mrs.robertson,mental retardation is my diagnostic diiagnosis,which means no cure fo u ,u will always be retarded hehehehehe dumbarse

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#1595 May 4, 2014
No Surprise wrote:
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Defend my perversions? lolol.....way to fricking sad dude.
You're the one with the darkest, vilest, perverse, depraved thinking stated you wanted to be the murderer of a dead guy if it could happen all over again. That makes you a psychological murderer. In this case a psychological serial murderer because you would have murdered those four men, not just one.
You're the one with the darkest, vilest, perverse, depraved thinking that stated whatever happened to the early Mormons they deserved it. That included murder, assault, rape of little girls and women and maybe boys and men, theft, robbery and destruction of private property, tarring and feathering of males and females, beatings and whippings etc. You stated they deserved all that happened to them.
That makes you a supporter of murder, theft, rape, assault, beatings, whippings, tarrings and featherings, robbery, destruction of property etc. Your support of all that which happened to early Mormons sets you as having did it yourself.
You're the sickest depraved and perverse type thinking that affronts humanity. Your state of mental thought is perversion and will remain as such until you change it.
Great Argument From Intimidation; total reliance on mockery, Innuendos and abuse.

Do you now expect Dana to renounce all beliefs without further discussion under threat of being considered a rapist, a thief, a depraved vile pervert, a psychological murderer?

Aren't you glad you got to meet me NoSurpriseSteppedInShit.

Since: Dec 12

Honolulu, Hi

#1596 May 4, 2014
Dana Robertson wrote:
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Misquoting scripture isn't backing up what you are believing. It's only misquoting scripture. I took every verse you gave and showed why it was wrong by putting them in context. I have used the New testament to show how little the LDS church reflects the Early church of the Apostles. Mormonism can't even get a simple word like "Elder" correct. It is a joke. A joke that is using and abusing good people who for the most part really do want to belong to the Gospel of Jesus Christ. They have been mislead and deceived. What Joseph Smith created is criminal to the real message of Jesus Christ. You have a gospel no one is living. Every member is falling short of your message in some way. I have never, ever met even one member who has met all the requirements of the LDS church. You certainly can't look at yourself and claim to have proven me wrong. It is doing nothing for no one but making those at the top richer and famous. It fails in every sense of the word, except building itself up while doing nothing for the members.
this coming ftom the same guy who quoted verses claiming homosexuality was condoned by our savior...talk about out of context....the bible says baptism is essential for salvation.....dana says he knows more then jesus and says no it isnt...unlike you we mormons accept ALL of jesus christs teachings while you nitpick whst suits your ever changing beliefs.....hihihihihihihi

Since: Dec 12

Honolulu, Hi

#1597 May 4, 2014
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm not clever dude. I just used some intelligence to read what you claim and write it out for you to understand what you wrote.
You made the statement without exclusions brain fart. You stated ALMOST verbatim, "What ever happened to those Mormons they deserved." That was your statement dude. You stated whatever happened to those early Mormons by those opposing them, they got everything coming to them that took place.
That means you support the rape that happened to Mormon women and girls dude. By supporting their rape that makes you a psychological rapist. Just like you support the murder of Smith and other Mormons and you support the beatings, whippings, the robberies and thefts, the destruction of their property, the tarring and feathering of males and females, your support makes you a psychological murderer, rapist, robber, destroyer of private property etc. By your dark perverse thinking you have put yourself there doing those deeds that were done by supporting all those actions done to those Mormons.
hihihihihihi yupp spot on once again

Since: Dec 12

Honolulu, Hi

#1598 May 4, 2014
Dana Robertson wrote:
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By beliefs is equal to what you are actually doing? Really? And I'm living what I'm teaching. I'm not saying to do one thing while doing another. When are all you faithful Mormon boys going to actually practice what you are teaching?
when are you gonna practice homosexuality cause thats what you preaching??.... are we debating what we actually do or what we believe??.....cmon stop whining and bring it.....hihihihihihihi

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