Will Gay Marriage Pit Church Against ...

Will Gay Marriage Pit Church Against Church?

There are 16102 comments on the news.yahoo.com story from Apr 27, 2009, titled Will Gay Marriage Pit Church Against Church?. In it, news.yahoo.com reports that:

The trouble they see is not just an America where general support for gay marriage will have driven a wedge between churches and the world, but between churches themselves.

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“God Loves Ilks!”

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#2665 Feb 2, 2013
Jit Kan Do wrote:
<quoted text>Wow what a great comment, its a home run Pastor.
This is just Preacherdude, y'all, and he is replying to himself.
lol

“God Loves Ilks!”

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#2666 Feb 2, 2013
TRYING wrote:
<quoted text> SADLY to SAY that its a fact, The Catholic Church, can't stand SCRUNITY! They have a hidden past that is coming to light more and more. A CHURCK,! Should not accept the works of Satan as its just a way of showing LOVE. and FORGIVENESS for wrong doing. TRYING. This is just another of many TRUTHS that will be pass into pages , hardly noticed. NOR cared for. If any have the time or caring, back up and READ: LACIs AND BOLDs posts. Theres is scripture. if any care for scriptures. HA! HA! Like I don't know the answer to that one.
None of your posts ever make any sense.
Why is that?
BOLD

Huntington, WV

#2668 Feb 2, 2013
Nettiebelle wrote:
<quoted text>None of your posts ever make any sense.
Why is that?
***None of your post are ever worth reading.*** Why is that???***Maybe you have little knowledge and even less common sense.***FACT!

“God Loves Ilks!”

Since: Feb 08

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#2670 Feb 2, 2013
Born_Again_Christian wrote:
Nettiebelle,
Are you paranoid that you think everyone is someone else? Preacherdude is just that Preacherdude. So you bare false witness against him unless you can prove they are both the same person.
<quoted text>
That's 'bear', not 'bare'.

Good grief.

“God Loves Ilks!”

Since: Feb 08

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#2671 Feb 2, 2013
Born_Again_Christian wrote:
Nettiebelle,
Are you paranoid that you think everyone is someone else? Preacherdude is just that Preacherdude. So you bare false witness against him unless you can prove they are both the same person.
<quoted text>
I think it is SO funny that you called him Preacherdude also.

lol
Jeff

San Jose, CA

#2674 Feb 2, 2013
Tony C wrote:
<quoted text>
And that is quickly dismissed by the fact that I am gay and I have amazing discipline and willpower.
I have never smoked cigarettes or drank coffee, or done drugs (tried pot a few times, didn't do anything, probably because I don't know how to smoke cigarettes LOL.)
I gave up soda, processed sugar, meat, and dairy products without any struggle or trouble. I can drink a beer or two without going crazy and getting trashed.
I refrained from most kinds of sex unless I was in a committed relationship.
I'm sure I can come up with more examples. The point is, if a person has no discipline, it's not just confined to one area. Either you have it or you don't.
In fact, as I may have mentioned before, I didn't so much as kiss a man until I was 24 years old because I personally needed to reconcile it with God first. He did not open my eyes until I was 24.
So don't talk to me about discipline and willpower. At one point, I wanted to be straight. There is no way to change. That is a fact. And you know it, because you did not choose to be straight.
There are many many stories of homosexuals that have changed. Just because you have not been able to does not mean others cannot.
We can discipline our sexual desires. I do it all the time. Its not always easy but I have very good reasons and motivations to do so. So do you.

“THE JOURNEY OF A 1000 MILES”

Since: Aug 08

BEGINS WITH JUST ONE STEP:-)

#2675 Feb 2, 2013
ThePreacherman01 wrote:
<quoted text> I have been a Pastor more then 20 years, I preach/teach the Bible in truth. I will not in any way water the word of God to fit anyone lifestyle. Same sex marriage and homosexuality, gays will all burn in hell that is just FACT. God never made anyone "gay" a lifestyle like that is by choice, and there is no such thing as a gay Christian.
My advice is if you got a lifestyle like this you better put a stop to it right now, or pay for it the hard way. I have told you the truth, no man made lies, I have done this in love, to help you now the choice is yours to do no one else. Your choice is hell or Heaven, you will face God and you will be judge on your lifestyle its all up to you!!
I see that you believe that a Pastor is GOD, because you THINK that YOU know God's message and you simply don't......you know the message you believe in and then you spread it to those whose beliefs are similar to yours and call them, "FACTS".......and there not!!!

Yes, Gays and Lesbians can be Christians, Lutherans, Catholics and a whole arrangement of other religious beliefs.......it is not YOUR PLACE TO TELL OTHERS HOW THEY CAN BELIEVE!!!

Sorry, but Gays and Lesbians ARE NOT GOING TO BURN IN HELL JUST BECAUSE YOU SAY SO......so, it's not a fact, just wishful thinking on your part!!!

No, you don't love Gays and Lesbians, you just believe that everyone should believe as you do and if they don't you condemn them to hell.........this makes you very unlike Jesus!!!

Yes, for those who believe in God, they/we will face God on OUR JUDGMENT DAY, and God will Judge us, but I guarantee this...GOD'S NOT asking you what He should be doing.......so, yep.....there are sinners in Heaven!!!

You may not bless any Wedding ceremony for a Same-Sex Couple......but that doesn't mean anything because if you are a licensed or Ordain Minister......when you marry someone and sign their wedding license you AREN'T marrying them for God.....but for the State!!!

Peace!!
Jeff

San Jose, CA

#2676 Feb 2, 2013
Rose_NoHo wrote:
<quoted text>
Why do you keep asking this stupid question? Is it because you are stupid? It's like asking if he'd raise his son to be blue eyed.
<quoted text>
Would reading homosexual literature turn you gay? And those gay pride parades you look at haven't either. Have they?
These things in and of themselves won't turn someone to being a homosexual but they can encourage it.

Being blue eye is a part of their physical nature. You cannot discourage "blue-eyedness" but we can influence a person's sexuality and the expression of it.

“THE JOURNEY OF A 1000 MILES”

Since: Aug 08

BEGINS WITH JUST ONE STEP:-)

#2677 Feb 2, 2013
Jeff wrote:
<quoted text>
There are many many stories of homosexuals that have changed. Just because you have not been able to does not mean others cannot.
We can discipline our sexual desires. I do it all the time. Its not always easy but I have very good reasons and motivations to do so. So do you.
Please provide these MANY MANY stories of folks changing who they are......and STOP parading Anne Heche as one of them......she is a bisexual woman and has a choice......AND she doesn't represent the Gay and Lesbian community!!!

You truly control your sexual desires? Is that how you control your wife? Withhold sexual pleasure until you get what you want? Are you only having sex for procreative purposes?

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#2678 Feb 2, 2013
Born_Again_Christian wrote:
Dana Robertson
No, it does not apply to anyone except those inside the church where they are commanded to go outside the church and minister.
The verses you just quoted have to do with the homeless, but the one you quoted earlier where you said what you do to the least of these was not speaking about people in open homosexual sin. It was speaking to the poor and those who are homeless and those who are naked. Stop twisting the scriptures to suit your sinful lifestyle.
<quoted text>
It applies to everyone, as everyone is our neighbor. Loving our neighbor as ourselves is the second greatest commandment. We are even commanded to love our enemies. For you, that would include homosexuals. It wouldn't apply to me because gay people are not my enemy, not even close to it. Jesus loves homosexuals. How do I know? He died for them. He loves them as much as he has ever loved you. That is the message of Jesus Christ. Don't you have enough sin in your life to work on that you have to go after anyone else?

Since: Dec 09

United States

#2680 Feb 2, 2013
Romans Road wrote:
<quoted text>
REAL Christians are the children of the living God. We have the Holy Spirit living inside of us. No son or daughter of Satan can understand our Heavenly Father and His preserved Word better than a TRUE Christian. These threads are absolute proof of this bible FACT..........look at how idiotic and moronic these unsaved fools are when they try to LIE and TWIST scripture.
To even insinuate that David and Jonathan were anything more than close friends is absolutely idiotic, moronic, foolish, asinine, laughable, stupid......but it does teach us how depraved and demonic and utterly foolish those are that are without Jesus.
Every single person in this world is either following Jesus Christ or Satan.
RR: "REAL Christians are the children of the living God."

According to scripture, it is those who love and practice righteousness who are the Children of God, NOT "Christians, either "REAL" or otherwise.

1 John 3:10
"In this are manifest the children of God and the children of the devil. Whoever does not practise righteousness is not of God, and he who does not love his brother."

And Christian or not....
"He who does not love does not know God, for God is love." __1 John 4:8

Love are the "fruits" we know them by.
We know them by their fruits, not their self-proclaimed religious designations.

Professing to be Christian doesn't prove it.

RR "We have the Holy Spirit living inside of us."

I know I do.
But I don't speak for anyone but myself. Maybe you shouldn't either.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#2682 Feb 2, 2013
Born_Again_Christian wrote:
Dana
No, it does not apply to everyone. A homosexual is in open rebellious sin and this does not apply to them. I love homosexuals enough to tell them to stop or burn in hell unlike you that rather see them head straight to hell. Yes, he did die for them and if they do not repent they will burn. I do not live in open rebellious sin I repent when I know I have sinned unlike the homosexual who practices their sin daily. I have gay friends so again they are also not my enemy. Learn scripture before you spout off that it applies to everyone it does not. Scripture is written to the Christians in the New Testament not to the non Christian.
<quoted text>
With your attitude towards the homosexual, I do not believe for one minute you have any gay friends, that makes you a liar. Jesus, himself, never said one negative thing concerning gay people. His message of love and hope is for all, not just the ones you think deserve it. The fact you are trying to limit his commandments to love everyone is a clear demonstration you do know what his gospel. He did not give us his gospel to use as a weapon to demean and abuse people. That is what you are doing here. You are not doing the work of the Lord, you are making people hate him. We are to be representatives of his love and grace. And if you claim you are sinless:
1 John 1:10
If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us.

You need to remember how much God has had to forgive you before you point fingers of condemnation at others.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#2683 Feb 2, 2013
Born_Again_Christian wrote:
Norcal Native,
No, a gay or lesbian cannot be a Christian so stop lying to yourself. A Christian is one who repents from doing former sin and since homosexuality is a sin you must repent before you can call yourself a Christian and leave the old life behind. You can sit here all day and justify why you are gay, but bottom line if you do not come to Christ you will end up in hell. Jesus will be the one to condemn you since he has all judgment over all on that last day.
God does not even bless your marriage. He ordained marriage between a man and a woman and you are sexually confused that is why you are the way you are. You can defy all of us on here, but you will never defy God when he says depart from me I never new you. You and Tony are both being prayed for on a daily basis that you repent and come out of the lifestyle of homosexuality. Also, others besides myself are going to be praying that you cannot sleep till you repent.
<quoted text>
God doesn't need your type of help, you certainly could use a lot more of his grace though. What you are doing is just pure evil. If you think a homosexual can't be a Christian, you let Christ deal with it.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#2684 Feb 2, 2013
janeebee wrote:
<quoted text>
RR: "REAL Christians are the children of the living God."
According to scripture, it is those who love and practice righteousness who are the Children of God, NOT "Christians, either "REAL" or otherwise.
1 John 3:10
"In this are manifest the children of God and the children of the devil. Whoever does not practise righteousness is not of God, and he who does not love his brother."
And Christian or not....
"He who does not love does not know God, for God is love." __1 John 4:8
Love are the "fruits" we know them by.
We know them by their fruits, not their self-proclaimed religious designations.
Professing to be Christian doesn't prove it.
RR "We have the Holy Spirit living inside of us."
I know I do.
But I don't speak for anyone but myself. Maybe you shouldn't either.
Let me add:
1 Corinthians 13:13
But now faith, hope, love, abide these three; but the greatest of these is love.

“God Loves Ilks!”

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#2685 Feb 2, 2013
Born_Again_Christian wrote:
Nettiebelle,
Get a life you have nothing better to do on a Saturday than sit at a computer and monitor someones spelling? You must be a lonely old woman.
<quoted text>
Very poor punctuation usage in your post here.

“God Loves Ilks!”

Since: Feb 08

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#2686 Feb 2, 2013
Born_Again_Christian wrote:
Nettiebelle,
You called him preacherdude so what is the big deal? His real nick is preacherman, but you do not seem to care about that. You just a lonely old hag on the computer with no life so you bother those wanting to spread the Gospel of Jesus.
<quoted text>
He seems to dwell on condemning folks and, come to think of it, so do you.
This is why I have no use at all for your sharing of your particular beliefs nor do I his.
Condemning others who do not believe exactly as you or he does is NOT sharing the gospel.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#2687 Feb 2, 2013
1 John 4:18-19
There is no fear in love. But perfect love drives out fear, because fear has to do with punishment. The one who fears is not made perfect in love. We love because he first loved us.

Matthew 22:37-39
Jesus replied: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.' This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it:'Love your neighbor as yourself.'

Romans 13:10
Love does no harm to its neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.

1 Corinthians 13:4-8
Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away.

Proverbs 10:12
Hatred stirs up dissension, but love covers over all wrongs

1 John 4:8
Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.

Ephesians 4:2 with all humility and gentleness, with patience, bearing with one another in love,

Galatians 5:22-23
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.

1 Peter 4:8
Above all, keep fervent in your love for one another, because love covers a multitude of sins.
LowellGuy

United States

#2688 Feb 2, 2013
Jeff wrote:
<quoted text>
These things in and of themselves won't turn someone to being a homosexual but they can encourage it.
Being blue eye is a part of their physical nature. You cannot discourage "blue-eyedness" but we can influence a person's sexuality and the expression of it.
And, even if we conceded that, SO WHAT? If you're not going to support banning heterosexual couples from marrying if they have anal sex, you have no argument (not that anal sex is a valid legal argument anyway). You don't support banning heterosexual couples from marrying if they'll never procreate, but you do support banning same-sex couples from marrying for not procreating. Is it that they can't procreate accidentally that's the problem? You really need to figure out an argument rooted in demonstrable reality and law. Otherwise, it's just bigotry.

“THE JOURNEY OF A 1000 MILES”

Since: Aug 08

BEGINS WITH JUST ONE STEP:-)

#2689 Feb 2, 2013
Born_Again_Christian wrote:
Norcal Native,
No, a gay or lesbian cannot be a Christian so stop lying to yourself. A Christian is one who repents from doing former sin and since homosexuality is a sin you must repent before you can call yourself a Christian and leave the old life behind. You can sit here all day and justify why you are gay, but bottom line if you do not come to Christ you will end up in hell. Jesus will be the one to condemn you since he has all judgment over all on that last day.
God does not even bless your marriage. He ordained marriage between a man and a woman and you are sexually confused that is why you are the way you are. You can defy all of us on here, but you will never defy God when he says depart from me I never new you. You and Tony are both being prayed for on a daily basis that you repent and come out of the lifestyle of homosexuality. Also, others besides myself are going to be praying that you cannot sleep till you repent.
<quoted text>
If NO ONE can tell you about your religious beliefs or about being a Christian, why do you get to tell others if they are a Christian or not? Remember that if you don't want it being done to you, then simply don't do it to others!!!

I'll NEVER come to your supposed Christ entity......and Jesus was a man......and only you folks call him Jesus Christ, but he wasn't born Jesus Christ and Christianity was what killed him!!!

You'd have a better chance of praying for a million dollars and getting it before either Tony or myself can change who we are!!!

By the way, neither of us follow your religious beliefs, so what you consider sin, we simply don't......in other words, who we are and who we are married to......are NOT consider sins to us!!!

“Third Eye”

Since: Nov 10

You can't get there from here.

#2690 Feb 2, 2013
Born_Again_Christian wrote:
Rose
Apparently some can not read. The verses do not say both got naked go back and read 1 Samuel 20 and you will see. Homosexuals love to add to the Bible. So you never been in front of any of your friends naked except whom you have had sex with? Never been on an outing and rented a motel with good friends and changed clothes in front of them before bed? No sex involved. Some think cause you get naked you have to have sex. I feel sorry for people like this. Being naked is not a sin.
<quoted text>
Hey, I thought that was even creepy in school...

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