Why We Should Do Politics like Episco...

Why We Should Do Politics like Episcopalians

There are 62 comments on the Patheos story from Aug 27, 2012, titled Why We Should Do Politics like Episcopalians. In it, Patheos reports that:

Despite the tiny number of Episcopalians in America - 2 percent or so of the population—more presidents, senators, and Supreme Court justices have been Episcopalian than have been identified with any other religious affiliation. That suggests that maybe Episcopalians have some gifts for politics.

Now there could be some less-than-flattering reasons for this, of course ...

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“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#1 Aug 28, 2012
from Patheos:

"When we insist that everyone has to believe as we do, when we elevate every item of our faith and belief to essential status, we don't do anyone any favors. It's the kind of practice that makes Catholic bishops decree that if you don't follow the church's teachings on birth control, abortion, or other social issues—none of which are creedal or talked about by Jesus—you are outside the Church.

"It's the kind of practice that makes progressive Christians say that if you don't agree with them on the environment, gay marriage, or social safety nets, you are unchristian.

"And it is the kind of practice that makes Democrats say that if you are not wholeheartedly pro-choice, your beliefs are not welcome on the party platform.

"Much better, it seems to me, is the practice suggested by Messrs. Hooker and Danforth—that of moderation and reconciliation ..."

... neither of which are practiced by the current PB of TEC; it's Schori's way, or the highway, and many of taken the latter.

“The Kingdom of God Begins NOW!”

Since: May 07

The Mountain Empire

#2 Aug 28, 2012
We already do. Haven't you noticed the 2 house similarities?
yur dum

Lexington, KY

#3 Aug 28, 2012
MiddleWay wrote:
We already do. Haven't you noticed the 2 house similarities?
in god we trust, god bless America, financial government "gifts" for straight couples, but no government benifit for unchristian gay couples.... God bless america
George

Jacksonville, FL

#4 Aug 28, 2012
MiddleWay wrote:
We already do. Haven't you noticed the 2 house similarities?
But there are also important differences. We elect representatives to serve in both houses of Congress. Diocesan conventions (via delegates, not represenatives) elect delegates (not representatives) to GC. Half the delegates in the House of Deputies are "reserved" to clergy. Bishops are elected by diocesan conventions, not by the church at large. They serve/vote for life at GC, like life peers in GB, not at all like our democratic system.
the truth

Lexington, KY

#5 Aug 28, 2012
"Why we should do politics like Islams"

Since: Jun 07

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#6 Aug 28, 2012
Just where do you think the founding fathers got their ideas on how to form a government?
the truth

Lexington, KY

#7 Aug 28, 2012
Selecia Jones- JAX FL wrote:
Just where do you think the founding fathers got their ideas on how to form a government?
not religion.
Actually do some reading in that...
Jefferson has some pretty specific things to say as far as religion .
Just here do you think the ideas come from?

“The Kingdom of God Begins NOW!”

Since: May 07

The Mountain Empire

#8 Aug 29, 2012
George wrote:
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But there are also important differences. We elect representatives to serve in both houses of Congress. Diocesan conventions (via delegates, not represenatives) elect delegates (not representatives) to GC. Half the delegates in the House of Deputies are "reserved" to clergy. Bishops are elected by diocesan conventions, not by the church at large. They serve/vote for life at GC, like life peers in GB, not at all like our democratic system.
Does your representative vote for you?

Mine does.

I've done it myself.

That's what a representative is, just like in out government....

“The Kingdom of God Begins NOW!”

Since: May 07

The Mountain Empire

#9 Aug 29, 2012
George wrote:
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But there are also important differences. We elect representatives to serve in both houses of Congress. Diocesan conventions (via delegates, not represenatives) elect delegates (not representatives) to GC. Half the delegates in the House of Deputies are "reserved" to clergy. Bishops are elected by diocesan conventions, not by the church at large. They serve/vote for life at GC, like life peers in GB, not at all like our democratic system.
PS We ELECT our Bishops, which makes them our representative, we HIRE our clergy which makes them our representative.

Goodness, for having a wife who is a TEC priest, you sure are clueless about the workings.

Maybe she can explain it to you in little kid terms....
George

Jacksonville, FL

#10 Aug 29, 2012
MiddleWay wrote:
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PS We ELECT our Bishops, which makes them our representative, we HIRE our clergy which makes them our representative.
Goodness, for having a wife who is a TEC priest, you sure are clueless about the workings.
Maybe she can explain it to you in little kid terms....
Nothing I said was wrong. When I was an Episcopagan, I never elected a bishop. One was elected at diocesan convention to which our parish sent delegates. Each parish sent the same number of delegates so that a parish with 50 members had the same represenation as one with 500 members.
I am not critical of how Episcopgans choose to conduct their business. Like any business or civic organization, they can organize how they choose. I simply pointed out that there are differences (as well as parallels) with how the nation conducts its affairs. Your visceral response to a totally non-judgmental and non-confrontational statement of FACT, says a lot about your psychological make-up. Maybe you are having flashbacks to getting lost in a labrynth coming out of a Druid servce at your parish.

“Ecce! Sic transit gloria mundi”

Since: Oct 10

I See New Jerusalem From Here.

#11 Aug 29, 2012
This is a very good insight from the article:

But by privileging a way of thinking and being—reconciliation—over a particular thought or policy, Christians can actually live out the commandment to love God and our neighbor more authentically than if we enshrine our own particular dogmas and pretend that all of them are necessary to salvation. The list of things actually necessary to salvation is pretty small; our add-ons, however, are extensive, and if we hold each of those additional things as sacred dogma, we court trouble.

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#12 Aug 29, 2012
the truth wrote:
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not religion.
Actually do some reading in that...
Jefferson has some pretty specific things to say as far as religion .
Just here do you think the ideas come from?
you could not be any farther from the truth...the United States got its' framework the church.

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#13 Aug 29, 2012
MiddleWay wrote:
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PS We ELECT our Bishops, which makes them our representative, we HIRE our clergy which makes them our representative ...
... and under the newly revised Title IV, Schori trumps them both.

“The Kingdom of God Begins NOW!”

Since: May 07

The Mountain Empire

#14 Aug 30, 2012
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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... and under the newly revised Title IV, Schori trumps them both.
She was elected too joline........

“The Kingdom of God Begins NOW!”

Since: May 07

The Mountain Empire

#15 Aug 30, 2012
George wrote:
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Nothing I said was wrong. When I was an Episcopagan, I never elected a bishop. One was elected at diocesan convention to which our parish sent delegates. Each parish sent the same number of delegates so that a parish with 50 members had the same represenation as one with 500 members.
I am not critical of how Episcopgans choose to conduct their business. Like any business or civic organization, they can organize how they choose. I simply pointed out that there are differences (as well as parallels) with how the nation conducts its affairs. Your visceral response to a totally non-judgmental and non-confrontational statement of FACT, says a lot about your psychological make-up. Maybe you are having flashbacks to getting lost in a labrynth coming out of a Druid servce at your parish.
LOL!

I'd have to go to the local Methodist church for a labyrinth (spelled correctly) walk.

There is a sign saying all are welcome to walk our labyrinth, so I do.

I find it very prayerful and peaceful.

Maybe you should try it.

There's a famous one in a roman church in France.

Christian use
Walking the labyrinth at Chartres Cathedral

Labyrinths, often of the Chartres design, began to appear on church walls and floors around 1000 C.E., and there are even examples from churches in the Roman Empire.[35] The purpose of the labyrinths is not clear, though there are surviving descriptions of French clerics performing a ritual Easter dance along the path on Easter Sunday.[35] Some books (guidebooks in particular) suggest that mazes on cathedral floors originated in the medieval period as alternatives to pilgrimage to the Holy Land, but the earliest attested use of the phrase "chemin de Jerusalem" (path to Jerusalem) dates to the late 18th century when it was used to describe mazes at Reims and Saint-Omer.[36] The accompanying ritual, depicted in Romantic illustrations as involving pilgrims following the maze on their knees while praying, may have been practiced at Chartres during the 17th century.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labyrinth#Christ...

I didn't know Druids had labyrinths........

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#16 Aug 30, 2012
MiddleWay wrote:
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She was elected too ..
... but acts as if she was coronated.
George

Jacksonville, FL

#17 Aug 30, 2012
MiddleWay wrote:
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I didn't know Druids had labyrinths........
http://www.inplainsite.org/html/the_labyrinth...
How and why the labyrinth would up in the Cathedrals, especially the one at Chartres, is perhaps a question that no one is able to answer satisfactorily. And whether or not the Cathedral was built on an ancient Druid sacred site is not the point. The point is that the Catholic church, as they did with so many other things, used, or ‘borrowed’, the symbol of the labyrinth from pagan cultures, although, in the case of labyrinths, no one is entirely certain why.
The question is… How and why should God bless something that has its origins in esoteric doctrine and ancient pagan mythology? As shown above, the labyrinth has never lost its occult meaning and is still being used as an instrument of pagan ‘spirituality’
George

Jacksonville, FL

#18 Aug 30, 2012
MiddleWay wrote:
<quoted text>I find it very prayerful and peaceful.
Maybe you should try it.........
I didn't know Druids had labyrinths........
I am sure you do find them beneficial.

http://www.labyrinthina.com/path.htm

"Labyrinths are time windows, portals, where time stands still. They are known to facilitate altered states of consciousness and have parallels with reincarnation, initiation, prosperity, and fertility rites. Ancient Scandinavian sailors believed the labyrinth had magical properties and when walked could control the weather and ensure a good catch."

"Moving through a Labyrinth changes ordinary ways of perception connecting the inner and the outer, the right brain and the left brain, the involutional and the evolutional through a series of paths that represent the realms of the Gods and Goddesses. These realms are associated with planetary movement as a process that induces Union with the One."

“Ecce! Sic transit gloria mundi”

Since: Oct 10

I See New Jerusalem From Here.

#19 Aug 30, 2012
Joe DeCaro wrote:
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... but acts as if she was coronated.
Sweet Cake, you are confusing that image of yourself wearing the tiara you keep seeing in your mirror with our Presiding Bishop wearing her Miter.

You see a fantasy figure and she is very real.

“... truth will out.”

Since: May 08

Stratford, Connecticut.

#20 Aug 30, 2012
T McCabe wrote:
... You see a fantasy figure and she is very real.
I see the reality of what Schori is doing to your church.

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