New Procedure Shrinks Fat Without Sur...

New Procedure Shrinks Fat Without Surgery

There are 34 comments on the TheIndyChannel story from Apr 19, 2012, titled New Procedure Shrinks Fat Without Surgery. In it, TheIndyChannel reports that:

The Yolo Curve Slimming laser promises to reduce fat and inches without surgery, and the treatments are administered by a chiropractor.

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Wisdom

Manhasset, NY

#1 Apr 22, 2012
oh boy, more chiropractic quackery at work.

These quacks have been claiming that their "lasers" can cure everything from "deep wounds to tendinitis". Now they are claiming they can use their lasers to "spot reduce".

Does it ever end? Will someone please hold these chiropractors responsible for all their bogus claims. Will they ever stop preying upon desperate and innocent people?
Washington Chiro

Buffalo Grove, IL

#2 Apr 22, 2012
Wisdom wrote:
oh boy, more chiropractic quackery at work.
These quacks have been claiming that their "lasers" can cure everything from "deep wounds to tendinitis". Now they are claiming they can use their lasers to "spot reduce".
Does it ever end? Will someone please hold these chiropractors responsible for all their bogus claims. Will they ever stop preying upon desperate and innocent people?
More jealousy of successful chiropractors from wisdom the 'expert'. he he he
Washington Chiro

Buffalo Grove, IL

#3 Apr 22, 2012
Wisdom wrote:
oh boy, more chiropractic quackery at work.
These quacks have been claiming that their "lasers" can cure everything from "deep wounds to tendinitis". Now they are claiming they can use their lasers to "spot reduce".
Does it ever end? Will someone please hold these chiropractors responsible for all their bogus claims. Will they ever stop preying upon desperate and innocent people?
Wisdom commenting here and claiming he's a chiropractic expert, makes as much sense as a pimp delivering a church sermon.(With my apologies to the pimp--they have higher morals and more integrity than wisdom).
Like one MD poster here once said about wisdom, "This wisdom poster knows nothing about medicine. I don't know who he is, but I do know one thing--he can't be trusted.'
This was an actual quote from a board certified neurologist right here on these topix.
Joe Sixpack

Dublin, Ireland

#4 Apr 22, 2012
The best comment I recently heard about chiropractic nonsense was on an episode of Family Guy, where Peter states:'I'm not a chiropractor, you have to go to college for, like, a whole weekend to be one of those guys'.

Chiropractic treatment is of course just another depressing example of junk science. As the neuroscientist and philosopher Raymond Tallis put it in his brilliant lecture at University College London some years back,'junk science should be laughed to scorn by even a half-educated public. The fact that it is cognitively primitive – in for
example its assumption that the plural of anecdote
is scientific data – doesn’t [unfortunately] seem to tarnish its image'.

The chiropractors that I have encountered, like other 'alternative' practitioners, all borrow the language of science, without any real grasp of its true meaning. They live off the gaps in orthodox science, gaps its honesty compels it to admit. Their chronic intellectual insecurity (and they have much to be intellectually insecure about) is comically made manifest in the white coats and the 'I'm DR Bob' stuff. The white coats and framed certificates help bring in the dollars I guess, but it must be hard to keep down that nagging sense that you are a charlatan making money from people's misery, desperation, and ignorance. Takes all sorts I guess.

Washington Chiro

Buffalo Grove, IL

#5 Apr 22, 2012
Joe Sixpack wrote:
The best comment I recently heard about chiropractic nonsense was on an episode of Family Guy, where Peter states:'I'm not a chiropractor, you have to go to college for, like, a whole weekend to be one of those guys'.
Chiropractic treatment is of course just another depressing example of junk science. As the neuroscientist and philosopher Raymond Tallis put it in his brilliant lecture at University College London some years back,'junk science should be laughed to scorn by even a half-educated public. The fact that it is cognitively primitive – in for
example its assumption that the plural of anecdote
is scientific data – doesn’t [unfortunately] seem to tarnish its image'.
The chiropractors that I have encountered, like other 'alternative' practitioners, all borrow the language of science, without any real grasp of its true meaning. They live off the gaps in orthodox science, gaps its honesty compels it to admit. Their chronic intellectual insecurity (and they have much to be intellectually insecure about) is comically made manifest in the white coats and the 'I'm DR Bob' stuff. The white coats and framed certificates help bring in the dollars I guess, but it must be hard to keep down that nagging sense that you are a charlatan making money from people's misery, desperation, and ignorance. Takes all sorts I guess.
he he "Joe six pack" is just a garden variety no-nothing who's never practiced and is quite abviously talking out of his drunken ass, you know, the part that talks--that's HIS ass.
Some advice: put down the cheap Irish booze for at least five minutes a day. That way you'd be able to write a coherant sentence.
I didn't know 'wisdom' had an equally ignorant Irish cousin. Oh well--you just can't trust that extra chromosome.
Oh, I get tons of people well each year and make a ton of money doing it. Do I detect a little green, as in envy? he he he
Bye loser.
Wisdom

Manhasset, NY

#6 Apr 23, 2012
And that, my friends, is another example of a "professional" chiropractic post.

Need we say more?
Washington Chiro

Buffalo Grove, IL

#7 Apr 23, 2012
Wisdom wrote:
And that, my friends, is another example of a "professional" chiropractic post.
Need we say more?
Yes, we need to say more.
Here are the words and phrases wisdom constantly uses to convey his 'professional' messages. Here they are: diaper, dumb ass, quack, moron, idiots, and scum.
Wisdom uses these words in almost all of his posts. He especially has a fondness for baby diapers. Very creepy.
And wisdom is a liar. He's no chiropractor and he's no MD. One MD neurologist wrote this about wisdom. And I quote, "The poster wisdom obviously knows nothing about medicine. That part is clear. I don't know who he is, but I do know one thing--he can't be trusted."
Need I say more.
Joe Sixpack

Dublin, Ireland

#8 Apr 23, 2012
What an extraordinarily intemperate and juvenile response to some fairly standard comments about the scientific standing of chiropractors. It is not at all unusual for people, especially conventional medics, to question the theoretical sophistication and bona fides of chiropractic practice, especially in relation to its assumptions about the etiology of idiopathic pain. To respond with scatalogical abuse is, to say the least, as far from what would should expect from a medical 'professional' as one could imagine. In any case, the brilliant paper by Professor Tallis about science and its discontents is available to all interested parties, chiropractors included, at http://www.senseaboutscience.org/pages/annual...
Washington Chiro

Buffalo Grove, IL

#9 Apr 23, 2012
Joe Sixpack wrote:
What an extraordinarily intemperate and juvenile response to some fairly standard comments about the scientific standing of chiropractors. It is not at all unusual for people, especially conventional medics, to question the theoretical sophistication and bona fides of chiropractic practice, especially in relation to its assumptions about the etiology of idiopathic pain. To respond with scatalogical abuse is, to say the least, as far from what would should expect from a medical 'professional' as one could imagine. In any case, the brilliant paper by Professor Tallis about science and its discontents is available to all interested parties, chiropractors included, at http://www.senseaboutscience.org/pages/annual...
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Right 'six pack'. No worse than someone pretending to be quoting from scientific fact, and desperately trying to sound intelligent and logical when in fact you have no clue what you're talking about.
It is clear you have never visited a chiropractor. It is clear you know zero about their education. It is clear you are frustrated in your own life, and like wisdom, feel the need to lash out at others who've made a success out of their life.
What you did achieve is a measure of pity from those who can read between the lines. A good Irish Guiness can only dull the pain of losing for so long. I'd stock if I were you.
Joe Sixpack

Dublin, Ireland

#10 Apr 23, 2012
Your comments don't suggest that you are interested in rational disagreements, so, as before, I will just recommend the paper by Professor Tallis. It is well worth reading for anyone interested in science or medicine, which I presume you are if working as a chiropractor. Tallis lectured at my university years back and has published some brilliant books on neuroscience. Regards.
Washington Chiro

Buffalo Grove, IL

#11 Apr 23, 2012
Joe Sixpack wrote:
Your comments don't suggest that you are interested in rational disagreements, so, as before, I will just recommend the paper by Professor Tallis. It is well worth reading for anyone interested in science or medicine, which I presume you are if working as a chiropractor. Tallis lectured at my university years back and has published some brilliant books on neuroscience. Regards.
Tallis is another garden variety pseudointellectual who knows nothing about chiropracitc and wants to make a name for himself. Those who can do, those who can't, preach.
Washington Chiro

Buffalo Grove, IL

#12 Apr 23, 2012
What Tallis and other pseudo-intellectuals can never understand or admit, is that chiropractic is a clinical art more than anything else. The proof is when the patient gets well. You can't measure that in a lab or in a test tube. The patient gets well when nothing else worked. No one has to get treated for anything. And very few patients want an explanation on why they got well--as long as they did. Skilled practitioners of the chiropractic art get people well and have thriving practices. Wisdom is an admitted failure. He says he failed miserably as a chiropractor. First, I doubt he ever was a chiropractor. But if he was, he sucked at it. No wonder he's angry.
I have zero respect for preachers like Tallis. They live in a bubble, a shell. They're goal is to get a hardy, good 'ol boy slap on the back from their colleagues, more pseudo-intellectuals who never practiced chiropractic a day in their life--oh, but let's take their word on anything they say about chiropractic. Preachers like that add nothing to the world.
It's like the pope lecturing on sex. Hey, but he read about it in books. Oh, I see. Now I see.
Wisdom

Manhasset, NY

#13 Apr 23, 2012
"Tallis is another garden variety pseudo-intellectual"

As opposed to chiropractors who claim that "subluxations" cause disease and that they can "fix" those subluxations by clicking spines with an "activator".

The activator is a spring loaded clicker and is the most widely used chiropractic technique. It has absolutely no valid research or evidence to support its use.

So, a chiropractor calling anyone a pseudo-intellectual might want to look in the mirror first.

And really, the wash chiropractor thinks that his "proof" is that "people get well". Talk about a stupid comment. Is it that chiropractors primarily treat simple and self limiting conditions which tend to get better whether or not they get "clicked" and how much does placebo play a part?

And does any chiropractor really care? Its not like they do any research before making bizarre and unfounded claims.

Washington has never questioned any chiropractic claim. He wouldn't dare. Its his life. Its his intellectual capacity. Its better for him to keep his head in the sand.
Washington Chiro

Buffalo Grove, IL

#14 Apr 24, 2012
I repeat:
What Tallis and other pseudo-intellectuals can never understand or admit, is that chiropractic is a clinical art more than anything else. The proof is when the patient gets well. You can't measure that in a lab or in a test tube. The patient gets well when nothing else worked. No one has to get treated for anything. And very few patients want an explanation on why they got well--as long as they did. Skilled practitioners of the chiropractic art get people well and have thriving practices. Wisdom is an admitted failure. He says he failed miserably as a chiropractor. First, I doubt he ever was a chiropractor. But if he was, he sucked at it. No wonder he's angry.
I have zero respect for preachers like Tallis. They live in a bubble, a shell. They're goal is to get a hardy, good 'ol boy slap on the back from their colleagues, more pseudo-intellectuals who never practiced chiropractic a day in their life--oh, but let's take their word on anything they say about chiropractic. Preachers like that add nothing to the world.
It's like the pope lecturing on sex. Hey, but he read about it in books. Oh, I see. Now I see.
Washington Chiro

Buffalo Grove, IL

#15 Apr 24, 2012
Even though I agree there are no cold lasers that can reduce fat cells, I'd much rather undergo a procedure like that than be medically treated from a Caribbean trained 'doctor'. All, not some, but ALL Caribbean medical schools are diploma mills/butcher factories taught by third world flunkies who are the ultimate mercenaries. Scary, to say the least. Any schmuck with forty grand a year can sit in their schools, cram for the boards (or pay another ten grand to have someone take the boards for them), then get a license to practice.
I'd rather take my chances tightroping between two skyscrapers than be treated by a Caribbean trained 'doctor'.
Why would anyone knowingly go to a Caribbean trained dumbbell when they can just as easily see a University of Chicago grad?
Wisdom

Manhasset, NY

#16 Apr 24, 2012
"Even though I agree there are no cold lasers that can reduce fat cells,"

Ummm dumb ass ... that is the point. This cold laser bull crap is just more chiropractic quackery on display.

It seems you have real difficulty agreeing with people who are not chiropractors even though what they say is absolutely the truth. And the truth is that chiropractic is filled with quackery and chiropractors who use bizarre and unfounded "treatments". Cold laser being just another example.

The problem with chiropractic as a whole is that there is no effort to weed out quackery. NONE.

And bashing medicine really has no place in this discussion. But time and time again, when someone points out chiropractic quackery, that's how chiropractors respond.
Washington Chiro

Buffalo Grove, IL

#17 Apr 24, 2012
Not bashing, medicine, con, just stupid doctors. Fact: All, not some, but ALL Caribbean medical schools are fraudulent diploma/butcher mills.
Any schmuck who can feed these schools greedy coffers can get a freshly minted diploma, pay someone to take their boards and practice medicine
NO THANKS.
When I go to an MD I make sure he/she graduated from a real medical school--not one where the professors moonlight as souvenir salesmen.
Joe Sixpack

Dublin, Ireland

#18 Apr 25, 2012
Washington Chiro, whatever Raymond Tallis is, he is not a pseudo-intellectual. He is a genuine intellectual, named by The Economist as one of the world's greatest polymaths and has published a series of brilliant books. Are you incapable of disagreeing with someone without launching ad hominem attacks on them? Even if you disagree with parts of Tallis's argument (which you are of course entitled to do), there is lots there to admire and provoke serious discussion by anyone interested in science and healthcare. Surely that is a reasonable observation to make or will that too provoke insults and rants?
Washington Chiro

Buffalo Grove, IL

#19 Apr 25, 2012
Joe Sixpack wrote:
Washington Chiro, whatever Raymond Tallis is, he is not a pseudo-intellectual. He is a genuine intellectual, named by The Economist as one of the world's greatest polymaths and has published a series of brilliant books. Are you incapable of disagreeing with someone without launching ad hominem attacks on them? Even if you disagree with parts of Tallis's argument (which you are of course entitled to do), there is lots there to admire and provoke serious discussion by anyone interested in science and healthcare. Surely that is a reasonable observation to make or will that too provoke insults and rants?
Not an insult to Tallis. He's like all the rest of the preaching pseudo-intellectuals--never practiced, has no experience, and no matter how well he writes, he has no clue what he's talking about.
It's like someone pretending to be an astronaut without ever going into space--oh, but they read all about space travel and are now experts.
Those who can--do. Those who can't--preach.
Joe Sixpack

Dublin, Ireland

#20 Apr 25, 2012
Tallis, a professor of neuroscience and a practicing doctor for over 35 years, writes about neuroscience and medicine. Why would he not have a clue what he is talking about when he discusses neuroscience and medicine?

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