Eight correctional officers injured in incidents at Malone, Gouverneur jails

There are 20 comments on the Jan 19, 2014, Watertown Daily Times story titled Eight correctional officers injured in incidents at Malone, Gouverneur jails. In it, Watertown Daily Times reports that:

Eight correctional officers were injured during incidents at jails in Malone and Gouverneur on Wednesday and Thursday, according to the New York State Correctional Officers & Police Benevolent Association, Inc. The alleged incidents at Franklin Correctional Facility and the Gouverneur Correctional Facility all took place as officers attempted to ... (more)

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Not good

Gouverneur, NY

#1 Jan 19, 2014
It is only a matter of time before someone gets severely injured or killed. The state needs to do something.
indeed

Danielson, CT

#2 Jan 19, 2014
Not good wrote:
It is only a matter of time before someone gets severely injured or killed. The state needs to do something.
Treat them like animals and they will bite.
For real

United States

#3 Jan 19, 2014
There is no doubt in my mind "indeed" that you were behind bars with a grudge. After all they are behind bars because they are upright and honest citizens right. Of course, their always innocent no one is ever guilty. They were framed, they were in the wrong place and do not deserve to be behind bars. Give me a break, their not in there for being society's finest citizens. There in there to pay their dues for the crimes they committed against people and for things that are committed and not tolerated in our society.You want respect, you give respect. You don't like the jail system, then quit breaking the law. You break the law, you end up behind bars. END OF STORY!!
indeed

Danielson, CT

#4 Jan 19, 2014
For real wrote:
There is no doubt in my mind "indeed" that you were behind bars with a grudge. After all they are behind bars because they are upright and honest citizens right. Of course, their always innocent no one is ever guilty. They were framed, they were in the wrong place and do not deserve to be behind bars. Give me a break, their not in there for being society's finest citizens. There in there to pay their dues for the crimes they committed against people and for things that are committed and not tolerated in our society.You want respect, you give respect. You don't like the jail system, then quit breaking the law. You break the law, you end up behind bars. END OF STORY!!
Nope never been to jail or prison.
And yes they deserve to be there, except for the couple percent of poor bastards who are not guilty.
What I meant is what the story pointed out, less money and overcrowding leads to problems like these. If the conditions are bad enough people will act out.
Now let me make a wild half assed guess at your identity:
A corrections officer who doesnt mind kickin an inmate or two around for the hell of it cause lets face it they arent upright or honest citizens. They shouldnt be enjoying themselves so you make sure their time is hell right?
Lol whatever
Shame

Gouverneur, NY

#5 Jan 19, 2014
indeed wrote:
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Nope never been to jail or prison.
And yes they deserve to be there, except for the couple percent of poor bastards who are not guilty.
What I meant is what the story pointed out, less money and overcrowding leads to problems like these. If the conditions are bad enough people will act out.
Now let me make a wild half assed guess at your identity:
A corrections officer who doesnt mind kickin an inmate or two around for the hell of it cause lets face it they arent upright or honest citizens. They shouldnt be enjoying themselves so you make sure their time is hell right?
Lol whatever
So now it's the correctional officers fault?

Since: Sep 10

Location hidden

#6 Jan 19, 2014
Maybe it is time to change the superintendent of franklin. Get someone that will stand behind the guards. From what I hear this guy is the prisoners best friend .
They are in prison for a vacation.
For real

United States

#7 Jan 19, 2014
Now let me correct you, as a woman I have NEVER "kicked an inmate or two around for the hell of it". So no I don't get my jollies hurting people. I do have enough time on the job to know a little about what I am talking about. I have a feeling by the sound of it I have been in the system longer than you have been alive, and know EXACTLY what I am talking about. If you can't do the time, don't do the crime. Again these gentlemen are not in here cause their law abiding citizens, their in here because they committed a crime and were sentenced by a jury of their peers. There are rules and regulation in the prison system, just like the outside and if they don't abide by the rules than there are consequences. Same as the outside world, their peers placed them behind the walls of the prison for failing to abide by the rules of a civilized society. So go run your jargon somewhere else, Again don't tell me your not an ex inmate, we both know you are.
Accidental Jedi

Malone, NY

#8 Jan 19, 2014
You don't have to be a corrections officer or even employed by nysdoccs to realize that there's an obvious issue with all the assaults on staff lately. The inmates require supervision and it takes a certain kind of person to be able to walk into a facility and be locked in with all the lovely individuals that found themselves locked up there. I am not a corrections officer and I do not work at any of the facilities, but I can even recognize there's a problem here. I could see if it happened once in a great while, but these assaults just keep happening. Maybe those that feel these assaults are caused when prisoners are being mistreated should go take the test and give it a whirl. I'd be willing to bet it's nothing like how you thought it would be.
tom

New York, NY

#9 Jan 20, 2014
I say keep them in the cage as many hours a day as possible. No gyms no rec rooms no movies. Take the food to the cage once a day. Make the experience one that they won't want to repeat. It would require a lot less guards to watch them. They can't cause a problem if keep in a cage. Handle them in small numbers out of the cage.
Maybe

Albany, NY

#10 Jan 20, 2014
indeed wrote:
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Treat them like animals and they will bite.
Maybe we should treat them, as they have treated others.. Lets see,, we have drug sellers,,, nice group very helpful to society,,, we have drug users another group helpful to society. Then we have the thieves, people who steal other things people own,, often to buy drugs... nice people have around.. Then there are the people who beat up other people,,, not enough good can be said about them. Now comes the rapists,, and the child molesters,,, and last but not least the murderers. SOMETIME.. we have all those personalities in one great prisoner,,, oh pardon me,, inmate .That's what we have here,,, animals,,, no animals behave better than these excuses for humans... So treat them like they treat others and society,, with disrespect for order, for others rights, for others well being, and of others lives....Now that's better,,,, animals do deserve better treatment but not these losers....hey who indeed,,, I suggest you go to the prison and ask if you can take some of these mistreated biting creatures home with you And see how well they will treat you....
indeed

Danielson, CT

#11 Jan 20, 2014
For real wrote:
Now let me correct you, as a woman I have NEVER "kicked an inmate or two around for the hell of it". So no I don't get my jollies hurting people. I do have enough time on the job to know a little about what I am talking about. I have a feeling by the sound of it I have been in the system longer than you have been alive, and know EXACTLY what I am talking about. If you can't do the time, don't do the crime. Again these gentlemen are not in here cause their law abiding citizens, their in here because they committed a crime and were sentenced by a jury of their peers. There are rules and regulation in the prison system, just like the outside and if they don't abide by the rules than there are consequences. Same as the outside world, their peers placed them behind the walls of the prison for failing to abide by the rules of a civilized society. So go run your jargon somewhere else, Again don't tell me your not an ex inmate, we both know you are.
My turn.
Dont do the crime if you cant do the time.
Youve hummed that tune for 35 years now its your mantra.
Do you know the laws apply to you as well?
Remember that next time you go to work.
I dont know who you are or how you act anymore than you know me, well except I guessed right youre a co.
Again Ive never been known as a number so think what you want about me.
And to the person that says keep them in a cage 24/7 youre only making things worse if those inmates ever have a release date.
20 years in a cage then set them free wtf do you think they will do?
Prison shouldnt be a vacation but it shouldnt be a place that turns one into a creature either.
Bash away.
For real

United States

#12 Jan 20, 2014
PS I am pretty sure I guessed right too, an ex convict that thinks he knows it all. Your right you don't me, but after so long I know your type,only too well, Mr. Know it all that doesn't have a clue. Have a good day, see ya soon!!
indeed

Danielson, CT

#13 Jan 20, 2014
For real wrote:
PS I am pretty sure I guessed right too, an ex convict that thinks he knows it all. Your right you don't me, but after so long I know your type,only too well, Mr. Know it all that doesn't have a clue. Have a good day, see ya soon!!
As I stated I dont care if you believe I have always been free or not.
Just do your job the right way and dont add to society's problems.
I merely expessed my opinion on a topic, you can take it personel if you want, it just shows your character and perhaps a guilty conscious.
In closing if you do see me, it will be a result of your misconduct not mine:)
Accidental Jedi

Malone, NY

#14 Jan 20, 2014
It's not about "20 years in a cage set them free and see what happens." I understand your point and you have a good one, but honestly the whole system with correctional facilities is flawed. Most of these individuals' behaviors aren't really corrected. They are just evolving. What can't be done out on the street is now done within those walls. There's still these rules they must abide by while in the facility and most of them don't have incentive or care to follow them. How do you ever truly "correct" these behaviors? You don't. These people have deep seeded behavioral issues if they have ended up where they are at. Most of the time the first time you commit a crime doesn't land you in jail unless it's serious. And even then it seems like now days you can get out in 15-20. I don't have the answers for how you fix their behaviors. But I don't think its fair to blame the guards when they get assaulted for a few of them being less than model citizens. Most guards that do their jobs don't want pity for being assaulted. They want awareness. That it's real and it's dangerous to be locked in with these guys. They want safety. I don't think that is too much to ask. It's not a highly gratifying job. But it's lucky for society there's some people willing to do it.
indeed

Danielson, CT

#15 Jan 20, 2014
Accidental Jedi wrote:
It's not about "20 years in a cage set them free and see what happens." I understand your point and you have a good one, but honestly the whole system with correctional facilities is flawed. Most of these individuals' behaviors aren't really corrected. They are just evolving. What can't be done out on the street is now done within those walls. There's still these rules they must abide by while in the facility and most of them don't have incentive or care to follow them. How do you ever truly "correct" these behaviors? You don't. These people have deep seeded behavioral issues if they have ended up where they are at. Most of the time the first time you commit a crime doesn't land you in jail unless it's serious. And even then it seems like now days you can get out in 15-20. I don't have the answers for how you fix their behaviors. But I don't think its fair to blame the guards when they get assaulted for a few of them being less than model citizens. Most guards that do their jobs don't want pity for being assaulted. They want awareness. That it's real and it's dangerous to be locked in with these guys. They want safety. I don't think that is too much to ask. It's not a highly gratifying job. But it's lucky for society there's some people willing to do it.
I agree, so they shouldnt cut bugets which seems to be the reason for the increase in assults.
Ive worked jobs like everyone else where youre asked to make chicken salad from chicken sh!t. It cant be done.
The people who are out to "make someones life hell" because they are locked up pieces of crap have no right. To do so is against the law. They broke the law and they are paying in the way society has decieded they should. Not the backwoods deliverance way some would think they should endure.
I may sound off the wall to one of the victims of these peoples acts, but to treat the incarcerated in a way that is not consistant with procedure and law is simply hippocritical as well as deserving of charges and perhaps a stay in the facility theirselves.
Thats all im gonna say i know the things some of these people have done deserves worse punishment in manys eyes but you cant play both sides of the law you are either lawful or not it is as simple as that there is no grey.
Good day.
skopians

Ilford, UK

#16 Jan 20, 2014
i eat sh*t
For real

United States

#17 Jan 20, 2014
You know what INDEED, if you got a job you know WORK you might not have to go on to TOPIX to make yourself feel like a big man. Pretty pathetic, I think this is the only time 'you think' you get any respect is by coming on here, and trying to make yourself appear more knowledgeable than you actually are. Good luck with that, I myself have a job I have to get ready for. You know, maybe someday you will figure out what that is if you ever get off this site and actually do something productive, you know like getting A JOB instead of playing like your someone important instead of what we both know you are. Not personal, just find it extremely funny how truly pathetic you are. Thanks for making my day, and giving me something funny to think about. I needed a good laugh, thank you!!!
For real

United States

#18 Jan 20, 2014
One more thing, you seem think you know alot about the prison system for someone that has never been it. I still say I am right a disgruntled exinmate that thinks he knows it all, and basically comes on here spouting off. Good luck with that.
Accidental Jedi

Malone, NY

#19 Jan 20, 2014
The guards don't have control over nys budget cutting. And I don't believe deep down that the majority of guards are out there to make anyone's life hell. I think many of them need jobs to pay the bills and this is what they found. If you talk to most guards they will tell you they wanted a good job with decent pay and some type of benefits. Most will not say they took it because they truly believe in correcting human behavior. That doesn't make them bad people. It makes them honest. There's always bad apples in every job and I'm sure there are guards that think less of the people they are babysitting. I can't say it would be easy to listen to one of these inmates talk about raping a 3 year old and how he did it and all the drugs he was on when he did it and still treat him with common decency and respect. It may be hypocritical (and go against the idea of correcting human behavior that correctional facilities are supposedly set out to do), but show me one society that has figured out how to correct sociopathic human behavior. They haven't because it's damn near impossible. The correctional system is never going to function in the utopian way it was intended. It's flawed. It isn't the guards' faults. It's much higher up than that.
NRA FOREVER

Schenectady, NY

#21 Jan 20, 2014
This is simple NYSCOPBA propaganda. I'm sure the incident happened as described, but it's a PRISON. They are dangerous.

The fact is NYS has the third lowest staff to inmate ratio in the country. More COs are needed. Better correctional procedure is. NYSCOPBA leaks this to the media to gather public support and pressure Albany.

The inmate that disrespected staff should have been handcuffed, not pat searched.

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