Tennessee invalidates marriage of tra...

Tennessee invalidates marriage of transgender couple

There are 57 comments on the www.timesfreepress.com story from May 13, 2009, titled Tennessee invalidates marriage of transgender couple. In it, www.timesfreepress.com reports that:

CLARKSVILLE, Tenn. a ' Tennessee authorities have invalidated the 18-month-old marriage of a transgender couple, saying the state considers both to be men.

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Inquirer

Spring Hill, TN

#42 May 19, 2009
I do not advocate religous rule in Government, but one day I would like to see moral and ethical rule. I am also not advocating one religion over another. My personal beliefs are my own, I believe that Marriage should be between a man and a woman. You do not have to agree with me, those are my beliefs. I do not force them on anyone, however, it seems the majority of people have been voting and supporting these views in most areas of the country. I am not bashing you for feeling differently, please do not bash me for my beliefs.
Roisia

Colorado Springs, CO

#44 May 19, 2009
Inquirer wrote:
To answer your question, The founding fathers of this Government were mostly Christians but of various denominations. The constitution is in part based on various documents that have their roots in the 10 Commandments, and the basic tenents of the 10 Commandments are followed by many religions. I don't know of many relegions that are pro murder, theft, adultry, etc. But I guess there are some.
If my history serves me right at best Most of them were Diests of some form. I believe Washington was an athiest and at one point Ben Franklin was a Panteonist.
Roisia

Colorado Springs, CO

#45 May 19, 2009
Inquirer wrote:
I do not advocate religous rule in Government, but one day I would like to see moral and ethical rule. I am also not advocating one religion over another. My personal beliefs are my own, I believe that Marriage should be between a man and a woman. You do not have to agree with me, those are my beliefs. I do not force them on anyone, however, it seems the majority of people have been voting and supporting these views in most areas of the country. I am not bashing you for feeling differently, please do not bash me for my beliefs.
We do not have to agree with you but you want us to be forced to live by your morality.

Your morality says its wrong to be gay. My morality says its wrong to deny who you are. Kinda seem in conflict there doesn't it.
Julia in IL

Gurnee, IL

#46 May 19, 2009
I believe in the right for everyone to suffer. Same sex marriage is an adult choice. I do think that all couples should be given a phychiatric exam b4 a marriage lisence is given. This Jo guy/gal needs a little more indepth reporting on his back ground / crimenal record. Locks up his mom in a room without food and wather except for the rain that comes in the broken roof. Steals identies, credit cards and his mothers money to support his drug habit. He/she is a real nut job and has been getting away with murder in Montgomery county and Stewart County all of his crazy life. The whole Rittenberry extended family is afraid to stand up against Jo because they fear for their safety. So for years this NUT treats his mom like an animal. This is not about same sex marriage, this is about a worthless animal taking up valuable space on this earth. What he needed and didn't get was regular good old butt kickings as a child. He is a ugly woman at the least and a phyco man at best.

“Live and let live”

Since: Apr 08

New Orleans

#47 May 20, 2009
Julia in IL wrote:
I believe...
Pardon me for saying this Julia, but that last post of yours is totally crackers. Are you trying to say people like me are a bunch of murderous drag queens having locked our mothers in a closet and stolen their identities? Wow. Girl, you need to get back on those meds and quick!
Roisia

Denver, CO

#48 May 20, 2009
Josh in New Orleans wrote:
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Pardon me for saying this Julia, but that last post of yours is totally crackers. Are you trying to say people like me are a bunch of murderous drag queens having locked our mothers in a closet and stolen their identities? Wow. Girl, you need to get back on those meds and quick!
It puts the lotion on the skin or else it gets the hose again.... Im sorry i couldnt resist.

The majority of Trans people are Law abiding citizens. With the "normal" communities numbers of people in prison I think that its hypocritical that if a small number of trans people commit crimes that all of us crazy. Its just well crazy.

Oh and for the record i know that line because when I came out my best friend thought i was going to be the one to kill her because i needed to make a woman suit so i could live as a woman..... Seriously Ewwww. But once I explained the procedure to her she calmed down. She also claimed she would never see me as a woman.... then she lived with me. Now she cant see me as anything but a woman.

“Down To Earth”

Since: Apr 07

Indianapolis

#49 May 20, 2009
Inquirer wrote:
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I gave only a partial quote while contradicting a misquote, It still does not use the words "Seperation of Church and state" that some folks like to misquote (This concept was only used in a personal leter written by Jefferson), The Constitutuion also guarentees the Freedom OF Religion not the Freedom FROM Religion that some folks want to make it out to be. Also our constitution, laws and rules of civil behavior and manners have a basis in religous rules and beliefs.
Separation of church and state and freedom from religion are implicit. The words 'respecting' and 'establishment' have multiple meanings of which the framers were aware.'Respecting' can mean 'to hold in esteem','with regard to' or 'in consideration of'.'Establishment' can mean 'a controlling group','an institution and it's property','an arrangement with regard to laws' or 'the inception of'.

"Congress shall make no law respecting (holding in esteem, with regard to, or in consideration of) an establishment (controlling group, institution, inception of, or arrangement with regard to law) of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."

Not only is separation of church and state and protection from religion implicit, the words used ensured that any interpretation could not be misconstrued.

I will point out, however, that this also protects religion itself so long as it doesn't cross that boundary between government and deities.

The government has their hand in the civil concept of marriage, not the religious concept of marriage. While religious groups try to force a belief system into law, equal marriage advocates demand only that the distinction between the two concepts be protected.

“Live and let live”

Since: Apr 08

New Orleans

#50 May 20, 2009
Inquirer wrote:
I do not advocate religous rule in Government, but one day I would like to see moral and ethical rule. I am also not advocating one religion over another. My personal beliefs are my own, I believe that Marriage should be between a man and a woman. You do not have to agree with me, those are my beliefs. I do not force them on anyone, however, it seems the majority of people have been voting and supporting these views in most areas of the country. I am not bashing you for feeling differently, please do not bash me for my beliefs.
Then if you feel the need to say "marriage is only between a man and a woman" while simultanious advocating "moral and ethical rule", you cannot mesh these two concepts together including marriage as a state run institution. In other words, marriage is an improper term of use in referring to the whole lot of partnerships same gender or not. Whatever the terminology, I believe the institution must be the same for all people because different terminology means different legislation and hence different rights. It's a matter of legal mechanics. If you want moral and ethical rule then you cannot advocate treating people as something less than equal. What purpose does calling a marriage license marriage serve? The way I see it marriage is not a piece of paper. I see no reason the civil instution and the cultural/religious instutution must remain one and the same, especially if it is an impediment to achieving full equality based soley on symantics.
Inquirer

Spring Hill, TN

#51 May 21, 2009
You know, unequality goes both ways. You gay folks can wear T-shirts that state your Gay and proud of it, or have Gay Pride parades or etc. If I were to wear a T-shirt that stated I was straight proud of it,I would be called a bigot or homophobe or whatever.

Daniel P from Long Island

“Protestant, Gay, Libertarian”

Since: Apr 08

Long Island, NY

#52 May 21, 2009
Inquirer wrote:
You know, unequality goes both ways. You gay folks can wear T-shirts that state your Gay and proud of it, or have Gay Pride parades or etc. If I were to wear a T-shirt that stated I was straight proud of it,I would be called a bigot or homophobe or whatever.
You probably wouldn't be called that. I have sen those shirts.

I have a belt buckle (one of about a dozen interchangable ones) that says "American By Birth, German By The Grace Of God". That's a similar sentiment. If I wore that on St. Patrick's Day, would people say that it is "Anti-Irish" ?

I wouldn't think so.

If I wear the sweatshirt that has my Protestant church's name on it, is that Anti-Methodist or Anti-Jewish ?

I wouldn't think so.

Just because your proud of something, doesn't necessarily make you anti-something else.

Daniel P from Long Island

“Protestant, Gay, Libertarian”

Since: Apr 08

Long Island, NY

#53 May 21, 2009
Getting back to the subject at hand, it seem st met that if some states bar transsexuals from marrying (some states bar transsexuals from marrying ANYONE), then it seems to me that those laws are unconstitutional because SCOTUS says that marriage is a "RIGHT" protected by the U.S. Constitution.
equalityboy81

Jacksonville, FL

#54 May 21, 2009
Inquirer wrote:
I do not advocate religous rule in Government, but one day I would like to see moral and ethical rule. I am also not advocating one religion over another. My personal beliefs are my own, I believe that Marriage should be between a man and a woman. You do not have to agree with me, those are my beliefs. I do not force them on anyone, however, it seems the majority of people have been voting and supporting these views in most areas of the country. I am not bashing you for feeling differently, please do not bash me for my beliefs.
What would these moral and ethical rules be based on? Just because one believes marriage should be between a man and a woman doesn't mean it should be so.

“Down To Earth”

Since: Apr 07

Indianapolis

#55 May 21, 2009
Inquirer wrote:
You know, unequality goes both ways. You gay folks can wear T-shirts that state your Gay and proud of it, or have Gay Pride parades or etc. If I were to wear a T-shirt that stated I was straight proud of it,I would be called a bigot or homophobe or whatever.
That's just stupid. How is wearing a shirt that says 'straight and proud' bigoted? It doesn't affect me. It doesn't suggest anything negative toward me. It doesn't promote interference in my rights. It does nothing. I would feel the same way about a shirt that says 'gay and proud'. It's not a challenge. It's a declaration. However, the fact that you THINK it's a challenge is what makes you a bigot.

“Live and let live”

Since: Apr 08

New Orleans

#56 May 21, 2009
Inquirer wrote:
You know, unequality goes both ways. You gay folks can wear T-shirts that state your Gay and proud of it, or have Gay Pride parades or etc. If I were to wear a T-shirt that stated I was straight proud of it,I would be called a bigot or homophobe or whatever.
That reminds me of my best friend back in high school. Found lettered T shirts that had the words "Straight" on one, and "gay" on the other. He was straight so he bought the straight shirt. I'm gay so I bought the gay shirt, and we both ran amuck out in the French Quarter wearing our Tshirts. What's the big deal about a frickn tshirt?

“laugh until your belly hurts”

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#57 May 21, 2009
Josh in New Orleans wrote:
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That reminds me of my best friend back in high school. Found lettered T shirts that had the words "Straight" on one, and "gay" on the other. He was straight so he bought the straight shirt. I'm gay so I bought the gay shirt, and we both ran amuck out in the French Quarter wearing our Tshirts. What's the big deal about a frickn tshirt?
it just goes to show you that maybe it's time that we reconsidered our fashion mode. and once again realise that tee-shirts (or more accurately, tee-necked shirts)are underwear and (no matter what's emblazoned across the front of them) should be worn only under a button up shirt with a collar.

“laugh until your belly hurts”

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#58 May 21, 2009
IndyStevie wrote:
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That's just stupid. How is wearing a shirt that says 'straight and proud' bigoted? It doesn't affect me. It doesn't suggest anything negative toward me. It doesn't promote interference in my rights. It does nothing. I would feel the same way about a shirt that says 'gay and proud'. It's not a challenge. It's a declaration. However, the fact that you THINK it's a challenge is what makes you a bigot.
the greatest problem with wearing a shirt which says,'straight and proud' on it is that most people will say,'yeah, so what?' and leave you feeling a bit embarrassed.

“Live and let live”

Since: Apr 08

New Orleans

#59 May 21, 2009
dances with weebles wrote:
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it just goes to show you that maybe it's time that we reconsidered our fashion mode. and once again realise that tee-shirts (or more accurately, tee-necked shirts)are underwear and (no matter what's emblazoned across the front of them) should be worn only under a button up shirt with a collar.
Wow... prudish. I wasn't talking about an undershirt you silly weeble-dancer. I bet if you found a T-shirt with your screename you'de probably buy it.

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