Tennessee invalidates marriage of tra...

Tennessee invalidates marriage of transgender couple

There are 57 comments on the www.timesfreepress.com story from May 13, 2009, titled Tennessee invalidates marriage of transgender couple. In it, www.timesfreepress.com reports that:

CLARKSVILLE, Tenn. a ' Tennessee authorities have invalidated the 18-month-old marriage of a transgender couple, saying the state considers both to be men.

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Daniel P from Long Island

“Protestant, Gay, Libertarian”

Since: Apr 08

Long Island, NY

#1 May 13, 2009
This is a disgrace.

:(
equalityboy81

United States

#2 May 13, 2009
It is just blatant discrimination, bigotry, sexism, heterosexism, homophobia, and gender discrimination.

“Live and let live”

Since: Apr 08

New Orleans

#3 May 13, 2009
All of the above. I wonder what the basis for the impersonation charges are all about? Taking a wild guess could that be due to her putting her gender down on a form as female? Sounds like a few of these Tennessee civil servents should be charged with impersonating a human being. This is totally out of line.

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#4 May 13, 2009
Josh in New Orleans wrote:
All of the above. I wonder what the basis for the impersonation charges are all about? Taking a wild guess could that be due to her putting her gender down on a form as female? Sounds like a few of these Tennessee civil servents should be charged with impersonating a human being. This is totally out of line.
I originally found this story on another site, but since it was from a television station in Oklahoma, I wanted a Tennessee source for it. I didn't realize this until I read your post, but there was a rather significant difference between the two versions that I didn't notice (they start out basically the same, so I'll admit that I didn't read it through as I should). What I believe to be the basis for the impersonation charge is that in this version, the Canadian clinic won't release patient information, in the link below they did and she didn't. Even with the state's archaic laws on the subject, she is pre-op. http://www.39online.com/news/nationworld/sns-...
Lilllith

Portland, OR

#5 May 14, 2009
Well, this is the opening to the rabbit hole they've been approaching for some time. Won't be long now before they have to try and craft definitions for male and female, and man and woman to try and save the DOMA regulations. And that's when the REAL fun will begin. I can't wait.
The house of cards is starting to collapse under the weight of reality.
equalityboy81

Jacksonville, FL

#6 May 15, 2009
Why the hell does it matter what the genders of a couple are when they marry? I despise those who oppose equal rights for everyone because they are pure evil, cruel, and inhumane.
Inquirer

Spring Hill, TN

#7 May 15, 2009
Sure, maybe I will take my Dodge and put Chevy signs on it and then sell it as a Toyota. Think the buyer will get mad?
equalityboy81

Niceville, FL

#8 May 16, 2009
Inquirer wrote:
Sure, maybe I will take my Dodge and put Chevy signs on it and then sell it as a Toyota. Think the buyer will get mad?
Not a good comparison or a good enough argument to deny equal rights. We aren't cars.
Inquirer

Spring Hill, TN

#9 May 16, 2009
Look, everyone has legal human rights. You can be who or what you want and you can have sex with who or what you want. But marriage is a religous concept and whether you are talking the Koran or the Bible, it is very clear that God is against Homosexuality, there is no way around that. He is also against adultry, theft, lying, cheating,and all sorts of things. It does not matter wether society changes from generation to generation, one time accepting these things, one time not. God never changes. This is not to say he does not still love the people who do this but he is against the actions, and if you do not believe in God or follow him, why get married which is Gods domain? If you want a legal contract to live together, fine. But marriage is a religous concept, homosexuality is against what God says.

“Live and let live”

Since: Apr 08

New Orleans

#10 May 16, 2009
Inquirer wrote:
Look, everyone has legal human rights. You can be who or what you want and you can have sex with who or what you want. But marriage is a religous concept and whether you are talking the Koran or the Bible, it is very clear that God is against Homosexuality, there is no way around that. He is also against adultry, theft, lying, cheating,and all sorts of things. It does not matter wether society changes from generation to generation, one time accepting these things, one time not. God never changes. This is not to say he does not still love the people who do this but he is against the actions, and if you do not believe in God or follow him, why get married which is Gods domain? If you want a legal contract to live together, fine. But marriage is a religous concept, homosexuality is against what God says.
Fine. If you want to reserve the word marriage as strictly a religious concept, and you're not about taking away the rights of LGBT couples to have their relationship recognized under law, then we will have to use different terminology for what marriage is in a civil sense, but you can't make it one thing for heterosexuals, and another for LGBT people. Different terminology means separate legislation. It is no promise of equality, just a step in that direction and nothing more.

“laugh until your belly hurts”

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#11 May 16, 2009
Inquirer wrote:
Look, everyone has legal human rights. You can be who or what you want and you can have sex with who or what you want. But marriage is a religous concept and whether you are talking the Koran or the Bible, it is very clear that God is against Homosexuality, there is no way around that. He is also against adultry, theft, lying, cheating,and all sorts of things. It does not matter wether society changes from generation to generation, one time accepting these things, one time not. God never changes. This is not to say he does not still love the people who do this but he is against the actions, and if you do not believe in God or follow him, why get married which is Gods domain? If you want a legal contract to live together, fine. But marriage is a religous concept, homosexuality is against what God says.
you're wrong.
Inquirer

Colwell, IA

#12 May 17, 2009
Mans laws change with the whim of society. In the past, it was okay for 12 year olds to marry (it still is in come cultures), now it is not ok in most. In some past societies homosexualtiy was ok, in some it was not. Mans laws change, Gods laws do not. Just because the current culture finds something acceptable or not acceptable does not mean God does. You can argue all you want, you can even change the minds of some people and can even force your will on others, But you cannot change Gods mind or his laws, and his are what matters.
Roisia

Denver, CO

#13 May 17, 2009
Inquirer wrote:
Look, everyone has legal human rights. You can be who or what you want and you can have sex with who or what you want. But marriage is a religous concept and whether you are talking the Koran or the Bible, it is very clear that God is against Homosexuality, there is no way around that. He is also against adultry, theft, lying, cheating,and all sorts of things. It does not matter wether society changes from generation to generation, one time accepting these things, one time not. God never changes. This is not to say he does not still love the people who do this but he is against the actions, and if you do not believe in God or follow him, why get married which is Gods domain? If you want a legal contract to live together, fine. But marriage is a religous concept, homosexuality is against what God says.
Your god is against Homosexuality My goddess is perfectly fine with it.
Roisia

Denver, CO

#14 May 17, 2009
Inquirer wrote:
Mans laws change with the whim of society. In the past, it was okay for 12 year olds to marry (it still is in come cultures), now it is not ok in most. In some past societies homosexualtiy was ok, in some it was not. Mans laws change, Gods laws do not. Just because the current culture finds something acceptable or not acceptable does not mean God does. You can argue all you want, you can even change the minds of some people and can even force your will on others, But you cannot change Gods mind or his laws, and his are what matters.
So every one in the nation should be forced to live by your gods law. Regaurdless of if your gods law goes against theirs. And for the record druidism and even some native american religions have no problem with same sex couples not to mention wicca.
Inquirer

Spring Hill, TN

#15 May 17, 2009
Rosia wrote: "So every one in the nation should be forced to live by your gods law. Regaurdless of if your gods law goes against theirs"

God does not force anyone to live by his laws. That is up to each individual, as is having to face the consequences of thier choices.

“laugh until your belly hurts”

Since: Dec 06

Location hidden

#16 May 17, 2009
Inquirer wrote:
Rosia wrote: "So every one in the nation should be forced to live by your gods law. Regaurdless of if your gods law goes against theirs"
God does not force anyone to live by his laws. That is up to each individual, as is having to face the consequences of thier choices.
the problem is that you are very unclear on which god you're referring to. there are quite a few, you know.
Inquirer

Spring Hill, TN

#17 May 18, 2009
TO Dances with Weebles:
Nope just one. You can believe in a toaster being a god if you want to, it does not make it one. Even the three major regligions, Christian, Jewish and Muslim believe in the one true God and if you read them, a lot of the concepts and historical events are very similar.

“Down To Earth”

Since: Apr 07

Indianapolis

#18 May 18, 2009
Inquirer wrote:
TO Dances with Weebles:
Nope just one. You can believe in a toaster being a god if you want to, it does not make it one. Even the three major regligions, Christian, Jewish and Muslim believe in the one true God and if you read them, a lot of the concepts and historical events are very similar.
I draw parallels between 'Bewitched' and 'Harry Potter'. That doesn't make them true.
Inquirer

Spring Hill, TN

#19 May 18, 2009
Hey, don't believe if you don't want to. I totally support freedom of religion, the original argument here was people who do not believe, feeling left out by not being allowed to participate in a religous concept they don't believe in. If your agnostic or athiest, why would you want to get married? Just go for the civil union with all the same legal rights. And if you are a believer, you cannot just believe the parts you want to, if you believe in the Christian, Jewish or Muslim regligion, then you must believe same sex marriage is wrong. I understand there are other religions besides these three main stream ones, but really, in todays society when we are talking about a marriage, these are the religions that most have there ceremony in.

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#20 May 18, 2009
Inquirer wrote:
Hey, don't believe if you don't want to. I totally support freedom of religion, the original argument here was people who do not believe, feeling left out by not being allowed to participate in a religous concept they don't believe in. If your agnostic or athiest, why would you want to get married? Just go for the civil union with all the same legal rights. And if you are a believer, you cannot just believe the parts you want to, if you believe in the Christian, Jewish or Muslim regligion, then you must believe same sex marriage is wrong. I understand there are other religions besides these three main stream ones, but really, in todays society when we are talking about a marriage, these are the religions that most have there ceremony in.
You've somehow managed to confuse the religious rite of marriage with the civil right of marriage which are two very different concepts. For many Lesbian and Gay people of faith, the religious rite of marriage has been available to them for ages, as many churches, synagogues and other places of worship have been extending the blessings of God to same sex couples, even without the legal recognition that the right of marriage provides. This isn't an issue and never has been as to who your church says who you may or may not marry, but who the government says who you may or may not marry.

What is at stake here is the fundamental right of the people to marry the person of their choice without unnecessary governmental interference and while you may believe otherwise, the state telling you who and who you cannot marry based only on their sex, for us is extremely unnecessary governmental interference.

While you proffer "civil unions" as a separate but somehow equal institution for us, experience has proved that while it manages to be separate, "civil unions" have proved to be anything but equal. The government can and must offer same sex couples full equality and that means either marriage as a right for all or civil unions for all. Marriage for same sex couples can be offered by the state without any effect whatsoever on who your church says may or not be married in it or by it, so you have nothing to fear but your own fears.

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