Top 5 Myths About U.S. Meddling in Uk...

Top 5 Myths About U.S. Meddling in Ukraine

There are 43 comments on the St.Petersburg Times story from May 16, 2014, titled Top 5 Myths About U.S. Meddling in Ukraine. In it, St.Petersburg Times reports that:

Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov left many people scratching their heads when, during a Moscow news conference last month, he insisted that Russia is not meddling in Ukraine in any way.

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Observer

United States

#1 May 17, 2014
1. The U.S. has no legitimate national interests in Ukraine.

Nurturing the overthrow of a legitimately elected president, then supporting the 'interim' government's move to suppress legitimate dissent with lethal force, while having sternly warned the deposed president that use of force of any kind to suppress Maidan riots would not be tolerated, can hardly be called a 'legitimate national interest'. If such behavior constitutes legitimate interests of a nation, then China for example would be well within its rights to invade Taiwan by force. As it stands, only US sanctioned Georgia was recently deemed acting legitimately in launching an attack on Ossetia. Such double standards undermine the very notion of 'legitimate national interest' by those who enjoy using it to their benefit.

2. The U.S. orchestrated the Maidan protests.

The US may or may not have orchestrated the protests but it certainly was keen on their happening and did everything in its power to guarantee that they overthrew the elected government.

3. The U.S. financed the Maidan protesters.

The US has employed trickle down economics in the past and in this case, was quite aware that the funding it provided 'trickled down' to groups dedicated to subverting the electoral process. Otherwise, it simply would have issued press releases cautioning the protesters that the 'democratic' way to change is through organizing candidates for upcoming elections. Instead, it did the exact opposite.

4. U.S. support for the interim government in Kiev is meddling in Russia's backyard.

The way it went about it, knowing full well it might very well result in a civil war, it certainly was and still is meddling.

5. The U.S. is guilty of “luring” Ukraine into its sphere of influence.

Anyone who reads the original EU agreement understands that it contained a back door for NATO and that high on the Kiev junta's agenda was to cancel the Sevastopol lease, so of course it was very recklessly 'luring' Ukraine into a so-called sphere of influence that guaranteed a reaction from Russia, i.e. Crimea.

In short, the questions posed are a transparently feeble attempt to delegitimize legitimate charges, at a level of grammar school debate, if that.
reality check

United States

#3 May 18, 2014
Obfuscating the truth never works for long.

Low ten to right sector's nazi war machine, with or without US ground support - and that ain't no propaganda, little girl.

Since: May 14

Location hidden

#4 May 18, 2014
reality check wrote:
Obfuscating the truth never works for long.
Low ten to right sector's nazi war machine, with or without US ground support - and that ain't no propaganda, little girl.
West means freedom to me - and west means nazi to Russia.

Ukraine's problem was corruption, not fascism like Russia so hard tries to convince you all.

You should do more research, kid! Unless you are blissfully ignorant of course ;)
reality check

United States

#5 May 18, 2014
Oh, but I've done more research than you'll ever manage in a lifetime, dearie.

Calling Russia fascist is a simple trick of transference to avoid the harsh reality of the multiple neo-nazi parties circulating within the current political life of Ukraine.

You can smear as much lipstick on your Kievan pigs as you like. They remain what they are, pigs.

http://rt.com/files/news/26/fe/40/00/germany_ ...

"Stoppt die Nazis in der Ukraine"

reality check

United States

#6 May 18, 2014
http://rt.com/files/news/26/fe/40/00/germany_...

And save your breath, the photo was not photoshopped in a Moscow news room.
reality check

United States

#7 May 18, 2014
After seeing growing German dissent from current policy, I'm beginning to think that Putin's realpolitik strategy is to allow both Ukraine and the current structure of NATO itself to self-destruct.

I believe we are witnessing a tipping point in history here.
I can read

Edinburgh, UK

#9 May 18, 2014
reality check wrote:
Oh, but I've done more research than you'll ever manage in a lifetime, dearie.
Calling Russia fascist is a simple trick of transference to avoid the harsh reality of the multiple neo-nazi parties circulating within the current political life of Ukraine.
You can smear as much lipstick on your Kievan pigs as you like. They remain what they are, pigs.
http://rt.com/files/news/26/fe/40/00/germany_ ...
"Stoppt die Nazis in der Ukraine"
If you wanteople to stop calling Ruissia fascist then why don't yopu tell everyone what scpetcs of fascism aren't practiced by putins government.

When you fail at that, will you admit Russia is fascist?
reality check

United States

#10 May 18, 2014
I first have to decipher the gobbledegook you just posted.

I tried google but they don't seem to have it listed as an official language.
George

Red Deer, Canada

#11 May 18, 2014
I can read wrote:
<quoted text>
If you wanteople to stop calling Ruissia fascist then why don't yopu tell everyone what scpetcs of fascism aren't practiced by putins government.
When you fail at that, will you admit Russia is fascist?
It is just his knee jerk reaction that coincides with his my daddy is bigger than your daddy philosophy, there is no fact to back it, he just has the need to name call others with the intend to make his opinion look better.
reality check

United States

#12 May 18, 2014
You actually believe that? Do I really need to boost my opinion when surrounded by such muck-abouts are yourself?

You flatter yourself.
George

Red Deer, Canada

#13 May 18, 2014
reality check wrote:
You actually believe that? Do I really need to boost my opinion when surrounded by such muck-abouts are yourself?
You flatter yourself.
No, I read, you really should try it sometime

Since: May 14

Location hidden

#14 May 18, 2014
I can read wrote:
<quoted text>
If you wanteople to stop calling Ruissia fascist then why don't yopu tell everyone what scpetcs of fascism aren't practiced by putins government.
When you fail at that, will you admit Russia is fascist?
lol, that would be a rare sight!

It's like standing in a crowd where people fawn over the emperor's new clothes - and only a few seeing that he isn't wearing any clothes, lol.

Emperor's new clothes is used to express when many people believe something that is not true. Used also to express something as untrue.

Based on Sufi wisdom, Hans Christian Andersen tells the tale in his "The Emperor's New Clothes", the story this expression derives from. In it. there existed an emperor who loved wearing fine clothes and spent all of his people's money on them. He had a different set for each hour and was, without doubt, the finest dressed man in the land.

One day, two swindlers claiming to be weavers entered the Emporer's city and proclaimed they were capable of making the finest, lightest, most magnificent cloth the world has ever seen. So extraordinary was this cloth, it was invisible to anyone who was incompetent or stupid.

Hearing of the weaver's amazing "talent", the foolish Emporer thought he could use such cloth to weed out undesirables in his city. He paid the swindlers an enormous sum & they set out to "create" the clothes; knowing they would only need go through the motions.

The Emperor sent several advisors to guage their progress and all the advisors reported the cloth magnificent, not wanting to appear unworthy for seeing nothing at all; the cloth didn't exist!

Finally the clothes were "finished", the swindlers already having counted the gold and jewels they had received. A procession was arranged to show off the Emporer's new clothes and the entire city gathered in the center to view them. Having been "dressed" by the swinglers, who remarked how wonderful he looked, and how light the cloth appeared on him, he appeared before his people.

The people, having heard of the weaver's abilities and the cloth's fictious properties, were amazed and offered thunderous applause to the now beaming Emperor. None of them were willing to admit that they hadn't seen a thing; for if anyone did, then he was either stupid or unfit for the job he held. Never before had the emperor's clothes been such a success.

While expressing admiration at their Emporer's new "invisible" clothes, a small boy cried out... "But the Emperor has no clothes!"
George

Red Deer, Canada

#15 May 18, 2014
reality check wrote:
http://rt.com/files/news/26/fe /40/00/germany_1.jpg
And save your breath, the photo was not photoshopped in a Moscow news room.
why would it, it is a silly picture of no value to Russia or Ukraine but probably good for your scrap book and maybe oliver and dimwit

Since: May 14

Location hidden

#16 May 18, 2014
George wrote:
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Very good, We know the US and Canadian troops have gone to Poland but have only the task of training the troops for Nato and Ukraine, should something happen in East Ukraine there is a very large contingent ready to go, including air, water and land support, it would get very ugly, sometimes I think it would be good to arrive in Crimea to help the 50% that do not want Russia and split Crimea in half to let them have their homes.
I hope the troops will grow bigger and bigger. Nato doesn't have to do any PR at all, countries are fleeing under their protective wings.

Our president signed some deal with Nato without even discussing it with the government. Now it looks like both Finland and Sweden want to join Nato.

Kudos to the Baltic countries who joined Nato, it's like with vaccination - some people don't take any vaccinations thinking that they are bad, yet they don't understand that they are protected by the vaccinated people.

It feels like Finland is counting on a free ride with other Baltic countries being in Nato - and it feels unfair :(

I would welcome Nato-troops in Finland and so would the majority also!!

What is Russia going to do if the majority of countries join Nato? Lol
George

Red Deer, Canada

#17 May 18, 2014
Pro-Ukraine wrote:
<quoted text>
I hope the troops will grow bigger and bigger. Nato doesn't have to do any PR at all, countries are fleeing under their protective wings.
Our president signed some deal with Nato without even discussing it with the government. Now it looks like both Finland and Sweden want to join Nato.
Kudos to the Baltic countries who joined Nato, it's like with vaccination - some people don't take any vaccinations thinking that they are bad, yet they don't understand that they are protected by the vaccinated people.
It feels like Finland is counting on a free ride with other Baltic countries being in Nato - and it feels unfair :(
I would welcome Nato-troops in Finland and so would the majority also!!
What is Russia going to do if the majority of countries join Nato? Lol
As long as Russia and Russians lead a healthy and prosperous life, absolutely nothing. Nato is a protection agreement where countries agree to help each other in the event someone is trying to harm them, so if russia is feeling insecure about Nato on their door steps, well maybe they have unfulfilled plans that they are feeling guilty about. russia had an opportunity to keep Ukraine in a trade agreement but destroyed that relationship by invading Ukraine and breaking the trust, that is what Nato will help to NEVER let it happen again.
Chris

Toronto, Canada

#18 May 18, 2014
Pro-Ukraine wrote:
<quoted text>
I hope the troops will grow bigger and bigger. Nato doesn't have to do any PR at all, countries are fleeing under their protective wings.
Our president signed some deal with Nato without even discussing it with the government. Now it looks like both Finland and Sweden want to join Nato.
Kudos to the Baltic countries who joined Nato, it's like with vaccination - some people don't take any vaccinations thinking that they are bad, yet they don't understand that they are protected by the vaccinated people.
It feels like Finland is counting on a free ride with other Baltic countries being in Nato - and it feels unfair :(
I would welcome Nato-troops in Finland and so would the majority also!!
What is Russia going to do if the majority of countries join Nato? Lol
Russia will work on strengthening itself, building alternative economic relationships; and will wait for NATO war mongers to self destruct; as they are already doing. The permanent wars exhausted Western economies; Western populations are very restless, as their standard of living is falling; and they see that their leaders are increasing efforts for ever new wars, paid by taxpayer’s money. Look at the protests in Greece, Portugal, Germany, Spain, Belgium....

Russia is wise old bear. It just needs to wait.
I can read

Edinburgh, UK

#19 May 18, 2014
reality check wrote:
I first have to decipher the gobbledegook you just posted.
I tried google but they don't seem to have it listed as an official language.
I'll try to make it easier for you:

Can you give a single reason that it's wrong to describe Russia as fascist?

Is there a single way you can think of that Russia doesn't fullfill the criteria of fascism?

(Cue more avoidance and willfull ignorance)
JBH

Richmond, Canada

#20 May 18, 2014
Russia not meddling Ukraine = Like it or not as reality, US will meddle the world not the virtue = But Ukraine situation calls for Russia to do something = Otherwise, forget about Russia as bummer as loser ,that Russia goes down but facing dangers from US pushing eastward, with no power = US needs to be tackled by THE WORLD that the rest of world as winners and becomes powerful that Russia is never powerful

Since: Aug 09

Saint Louis, MO

#22 May 18, 2014
Chris wrote:
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Russia will work on strengthening itself, building alternative economic relationships; and will wait for NATO war mongers to self destruct; as they are already doing. The permanent wars exhausted Western economies; Western populations are very restless, as their standard of living is falling; and they see that their leaders are increasing efforts for ever new wars, paid by taxpayer’s money. Look at the protests in Greece, Portugal, Germany, Spain, Belgium....
Russia is wise old bear. It just needs to wait.
Joining BRICS was a smart move by Russia. BRICS stand for Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa. It will prevent white supremacy from dominating the world's economy going forward.( http://rt.com/op-edge/russia-switches-to-bric... )
Oliver Cromwell

Paisley, UK

#23 May 18, 2014
George wrote:
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Very good, We know the US and Canadian troops have gone to Poland but have only the task of training the troops for Nato and Ukraine, should something happen in East Ukraine there is a very large contingent ready to go, including air, water and land support, it would get very ugly, sometimes I think it would be good to arrive in Crimea to help the 50% that do not want Russia and split Crimea in half to let them have their homes.
What do you think would happen if those gangsters arrived in Crimea?the same thing that would happen if you arrived on my property without being asked,you would lose your head.

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