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Employers Fight Tough Measures on Immigration

There are 46 comments on the www.nytimes.com story from Jul 6, 2008, titled Employers Fight Tough Measures on Immigration . In it, www.nytimes.com reports that:

Under pressure from the toughest crackdown on illegal immigration in two decades, employers across the country are fighting back in state legislatures, the federal courts and city halls.

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“It's a Brand New Day”

Since: Feb 06

New Rochelle

#1 Jul 6, 2008
Why should employers pay good money for Americans in American jobs, when they can hire illegal aliens, and lower the American standard of living.

Why shouldn't we just let our elderly die, and our sick to heal or die as God wills?

Why educate our young? We will have given their jobs away, they can't work, screw them too.

Profit is everything.
Didn't Jesus say "Regulation is un-American?

We should just let these 'corporate employers' give our jobs away. What are we, socialists?
Disgusted

Anniston, AL

#3 Jul 6, 2008
////Employers’ groups have not succeeded everywhere. Under a bill passed this year, Mississippi is the first state to make it a felony for an illegal immigrant to work. The measure also allows terminated employees to sue their employer if they were replaced by an illegal immigrant./////

Should lower the number of Illegal Aliens in Mississippi and goes to show making themselves heard at ALL levels of Government plain ole American Citizens CAN DO SOMETHING about the Illegal Aliens INVADING the USA.
Lance Winslow

United States

#4 Jul 6, 2008
The Bush administration unflinchingly asks for $50.5 billion funding for Homeland Security in FY 2009, but can't seem to enforce existing laws regarding illegal immigrants.
Remember in Novenber.
Christopher

Clinton Township, MI

#5 Jul 6, 2008
Lance Winslow wrote:
The Bush administration unflinchingly asks for $50.5 billion funding for Homeland Security in FY 2009, but can't seem to enforce existing laws regarding illegal immigrants.
Remember in Novenber.
That is because there are too many of them. What we should do is allow ANYONE from Mexico or Canada into our country to work, and allow anyone from the rest of the world, unless we have reason to believe they are connected to terrorists (would have to be Muslim or from a Muslim country and be PROVEN to have connections), to come to this country.

That would solve the problem of illegal immigrants totally.... but then again, a lot of white people don't want to do that because they are borderline racist against hispanics, Mexicans and others, speaking as a white person myself who has seen the comments made by some of his friends.
jimmy farter

United States

#6 Jul 6, 2008
mexican people here ILLEGALLY should be shot on the spot! they have broken the law!

ILLEGAL mexicans spread diseases like the recent virus in tomatoes! they crap in our fields and urinate on our food crops because they are too lazy to go use a bathroom!!!!!!

hispanics do not respect United States citizens!

ILLEGAL mexicans hate Americans!

they steal millions of good jobs from hard working Americans!!!!

Build the wall and kick all these criminals back into their own sh*tty country - We don't want them!!!!!!!
jimmy farter

United States

#7 Jul 6, 2008
the obama led senate & the pelosi led house said they want to give all 20,000,000 criminal ILLEGAL immigrants AMNESTY!!! the democraps want to give all of them AMNESTY!!!!!

even the repeat criminal offenders & felons!

the dems do not care about your safety and offer NOTHING to protect us from homeland invaders!

obama is a weakling! he is an elitist liberal!
Lance Winslow

United States

#8 Jul 6, 2008
jimmy farter wrote:
the obama led senate & the pelosi led house said they want to give all 20,000,000 criminal ILLEGAL immigrants AMNESTY!!! the democraps want to give all of them AMNESTY!!!!!
even the repeat criminal offenders & felons!
the dems do not care about your safety and offer NOTHING to protect us from homeland invaders!
obama is a weakling! he is an elitist liberal!
You sure it's not Bill and Hillary's fault?
Mike

San Francisco, CA

#9 Jul 6, 2008
Disgusted wrote:
////Employers’ groups have not succeeded everywhere. Under a bill passed this year, Mississippi is the first state to make it a felony for an illegal immigrant to work. The measure also allows terminated employees to sue their employer if they were replaced by an illegal immigrant./////
Should lower the number of Illegal Aliens in Mississippi and goes to show making themselves heard at ALL levels of Government plain ole American Citizens CAN DO SOMETHING about the Illegal Aliens INVADING the USA.
Looks like Mississippi and Oklahoma are doing the heavy lifting for the rest of the country. Now, if only we could get legislation like that here in California! We could lower the crime rate AND balance the state budget at the same time! California usualy leads the nation in social issues, but this time we have to tip our hats to these other states. It's going to take a lot more of them to enact these types of laws to create enough momentum before the larger states will be able to turn themselves around. The iceberg of illegal immigration will surely sink our ship of state if we don't change our course, NOW!
Get real

Boca Raton, FL

#11 Jul 7, 2008
Christopher wrote:
<quoted text>
That is because there are too many of them. What we should do is allow ANYONE from Mexico or Canada into our country to work, and allow anyone from the rest of the world, unless we have reason to believe they are connected to terrorists (would have to be Muslim or from a Muslim country and be PROVEN to have connections), to come to this country.
That would solve the problem of illegal immigrants totally.... but then again, a lot of white people don't want to do that because they are borderline racist against hispanics, Mexicans and others, speaking as a white person myself who has seen the comments made by some of his friends.
White people love immigration. What we DON'T LIKE is ILLEGAL immigration.

ps..my parents waited for years for a visa to come here LEGALLY!

“A Nation of Legal Immigrants”

Since: Nov 07

Lake City Florida,/ Nebraska

#12 Jul 7, 2008
"“These employers are now starting to realize that nobody is in a better position than they are to make the case that they do need the workers and they do want to be on the right side of the law,” said Tamar Jacoby, president of the new federation, ImmigrationWorks USA."

This is the right side of the law!

Federal Immigration and Nationality Act
Section 8 USC 1324(a)(1)(A)(iv)(b)(iii)

"Any person who ... encourages or induces an alien to ... reside ... knowing or in reckless disregard of the fact that such ... residence is ... in violation of law, shall be punished as provided ... for each alien in respect to whom such a violation occurs ... fined under title 18 ... imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both."

Section 274 felonies under the federal Immigration and Nationality Act, INA 274A(a)(1)(A):

A person (including a group of persons, business, organization, or local government) commits a federal felony when she or he:

* assists an alien s/he should reasonably know is illegally in the U.S. or who lacks employment authorization, by transporting, sheltering, or assisting him or her to obtain employment, or

* encourages that alien to remain in the U.S. by referring him or her to an employer or by acting as employer or agent for an employer in any way, or

* knowingly assists illegal aliens due to personal convictions.

SIR LANCELOT

“I just hate stupid people”

Since: Apr 07

DEEP SOUTHERN ILLINOIS

#13 Jul 7, 2008
Illegal aliens are hired at wharehouses by these so-called unloading services to unload trucks. Recently a load of mixed vegetables and fruit from California to North Carolina had to be hand unloaded and sorted,the "lumper" service charged $250.00 for 4 hours work,here's the reason the "employers" are fighting to keep the illegal aliens here,out of the $250.00,the Mexican was paid $40.00 cash for 4 hours labor,the a**hole who hired him pocketed $210.00 for filling out the reciept. Jail these bastards!!!!
Pando

Bullhead City, AZ

#14 Jul 7, 2008
jimmy farter wrote:
the obama led senate & the pelosi led house said they want to give all 20,000,000 criminal ILLEGAL immigrants AMNESTY!!! the democraps want to give all of them AMNESTY!!!!!
even the repeat criminal offenders & felons!
the dems do not care about your safety and offer NOTHING to protect us from homeland invaders!
obama is a weakling! he is an elitist liberal!
The ILLEGAL ALIEN problem is caused by both major parties not just the Democrats.

McCain co-authored the last (failed) amnesty bill with Kennedy.

G.W. Bush has always been for amnesty.

Reagan granted amnesty to millions of ILLEGAL ALIENS in 1986.

You are so busy blaming the Democrats that you are failing to realize that the Republicans are equally at fault.
Pando

Bullhead City, AZ

#15 Jul 7, 2008
SIR LANCELOT wrote:
Illegal aliens are hired at wharehouses by these so-called unloading services to unload trucks. Recently a load of mixed vegetables and fruit from California to North Carolina had to be hand unloaded and sorted,the "lumper" service charged $250.00 for 4 hours work,here's the reason the "employers" are fighting to keep the illegal aliens here,out of the $250.00,the Mexican was paid $40.00 cash for 4 hours labor,the a**hole who hired him pocketed $210.00 for filling out the reciept. Jail these bastards!!!!
The reason the warehouses hire the "lumper" service is because the owners think it gets them off the hook for employing ILLEGAL ALIENS.

The owners can state they had no knowledge or control over who the contractor (lumper) hired to unload the trucks.

This scam has been going on for years and occurs in all types of businesses and construction.

“make mine a double, please”

Since: Sep 07

chicago

#16 Jul 7, 2008
this needs a little more media attention...
the businesses involved in trying to circumvent the immigration laws should be identified and boycotted!

Since: Apr 07

Columbus, OH

#17 Jul 7, 2008
Pando wrote:
<quoted text>
The reason the warehouses hire the "lumper" service is because the owners think it gets them off the hook for employing ILLEGAL ALIENS.
The owners can state they had no knowledge or control over who the contractor (lumper) hired to unload the trucks.
This scam has been going on for years and occurs in all types of businesses and construction.
Kinda like the temp services that do the same,lol.

“Assimilate & Speak English!”

Since: Jan 07

Lansing, IL - now: Pomp Bch FL

#18 Jul 7, 2008
Christopher wrote:
<quoted text>
That is because there are too many of them. What we should do is allow ANYONE from Mexico or Canada into our country to work, and allow anyone from the rest of the world, unless we have reason to believe they are connected to terrorists (would have to be Muslim or from a Muslim country and be PROVEN to have connections), to come to this country.
That would solve the problem of illegal immigrants totally.... but then again, a lot of white people don't want to do that because they are borderline racist against hispanics, Mexicans and others, speaking as a white person myself who has seen the comments made by some of his friends.
You've lost your mind (if you had one to lose, that is).

Mostly what we get from our southern border is uneducated or low-educated people who need more assistance than they'll ever give here. We have enough homegrown people that need help and we cannot afford to have uneducated illegal aliens running amok.

This country just cannot support the world's poor. We have a finite number of resources to begin with...

Every country has immigration laws -- AND THERE IS A REASON FOR THIS. Oh, and that reason is not because someone doesn't like Mexicans. It's because immigration laws are needed to protect the citizens of each country -- keep them safe, keep their jobs, etc.

Get your head out of your arse and wake up.
Paul

United States

#19 Jul 7, 2008
Ya know this is real easy. Lock down the borders, which is the way it should be now. Anyone picked up for a violation, auto or otherwise, will be checked for legal status. If found to be illegally in the U.S. taken immediatley to a bus and taken to a border crossing, and sent home. No going to gather family or possessions, just on the bus and deportation. The rest of the felon's (yes it is a felony)family would follow in quick order. If children are U.S. citizens, take them with them, make them apply for re-entrance to the U.S.
The Knowing

Monterey, CA

#20 Jul 7, 2008
From the Boardroom of Arthur Jensen on the freemarket.

Jensen: You have meddled with the primal forces of nature, Mr. Beale, and I won't have it!! Is that clear?! You think you've merely stopped a business deal. That is not the case. The Arabs have taken billions of dollars out of this country, and now they must put it back! It is ebb and flow, tidal gravity! It is ecological balance!

You are an old man who thinks in terms of nations and peoples. There are no nations. There are no peoples. There are no Russians. There are no Arabs. There are no third worlds. There is no West. There is only one holistic system of systems, one vast and immense, interwoven, interacting, multivariate, multinational dominion of dollars. Petrol-dollars, electro-dollars, multi-dollars, Reich marks, rins, rubles, pounds, and shekels.

It is the international system of currency which determines the totality of life on this planet. That is the natural order of things today. That is the atomic and subatomic and galactic structure of things today! And YOU have meddled with the primal forces of nature, and YOU WILL ATONE!
Am I getting through to you, Mr. Beale?

You get up on your little twenty-one inch screen and howl about America and democracy. There is no America. There is no democracy. There is only IBM and ITT and AT&T and DuPont, Dow, Union Carbide, and Exxon. Those are the nations of the world today.
What do you think the Russians talk about in their councils of state -- Karl Marx? They get out their linear programming charts, statistical decision theories, minim ax solutions, and compute the price-cost probabilities of their transactions and investments, just like we do.

We no longer live in a world of nations and ideologies, Mr. Beale. The world is a college of corporations, inexorably determined by the immutable bylaws of business. The world is a business, Mr. Beale. It has been since man crawled out of the slime. And our children will live, Mr. Beale, to see that perfect world in which there's no war or famine, oppression or brutality -- one vast and ecumenical holding company, for whom all men will work to serve a common profit, in which all men will hold a share of stock, all necessities provided, all anxieties tranquilized, all boredom amused.
And I have chosen you, Mr. Beale, to preach this evangel.

Beale: But why me?

Jensen: Because you're on television, dummy. Sixty million people watch you every night of the week, Monday through Friday.

Beale: I have seen the face of God.

Jensen: You just might be right, Mr. Beale

Since: Jul 07

United States

#21 Jul 7, 2008
just had lunch wrote:
this needs a little more media attention...
the businesses involved in trying to circumvent the immigration laws should be identified and boycotted!
They should be identified and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

Since: Jul 07

United States

#22 Jul 7, 2008
Amazing how many people in here don't realize if you don't stop the people who illegally employ illegal aliens you will never stop the illegal aliens problems. Grand idea to pick them all up and send them all back so they can be here tomorrow. Doesn't work. Grand idea to close the border - doesn't work. Ever wonder why Hunt's property in Texas doesn't have a border fence on it when everyone-else's does? Why do we have a hole in the fence that big? If people are afraid to employ an illegal because they may lose their home or business or have massive fines and will be caught and prosecuted. The problem will stop. Kinda like finding out who has the money in the US to buy huge shipments of drugs while others turn their eyes. And this is a two party problem. So stop pointing the fingers and point them at someone who isn't part of the solution in your Congress who represents "you" and "your vote" and "your opinion". Seems like a damned grade-school recess yard in here sometimes.

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