Three Hours Long Enough For Wiccan Pr...

Three Hours Long Enough For Wiccan Prisoners' Religious Observance

There are 10 comments on the Wren's Nest story from Jan 10, 2009, titled Three Hours Long Enough For Wiccan Prisoners' Religious Observance. In it, Wren's Nest reports that:

Title: THREE HOURS LONG ENOUGH FOR PRISONERS' RELIGIOUS OBSERVANCE Three Iowa inmates, convinced that they were not allowed enough time for proper religious ceremony, have lost their claim on appeal.

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elaine

Austria

#1 Jan 10, 2009
it doesn't work.....

“A witty saying proves nothing”

Since: Jul 08

Location hidden

#3 Jan 10, 2009
Jesus is Lord wrote:
I do not understand this concept of keeping witches imprisoned?
Do they have to be seasoned before you burn them or something?
Spreading more of jesus's message I see. Halafrikingluyah.... PRAISE THE LORD!!!
Hey, I've got a couple of good ones for you:
What sways from side to side in the wind?
Jesus on a rubber cross!
Why did Mary scold Jesus while he was up on the cross?
Because he kept biting his nails!
What did the slut say when she saw Jesus hanging on the cross?
"Wow, you're really well-hung!"
Why can't Jesus eat M & M's?
Because they keep on falling through his hands!
What did Jesus say to the little drummer boy?
"This is probably the worst F-ing present I'll ever get in my whole life.
What did the gay disciple say to jesus on the cross?
"I just love your nails."

“GO TOPLESS!!”

Since: Apr 08

Webster, MA

#4 Jan 10, 2009
LOL OMFG Clark! Too much!

Anyhoo... on the subject at hand...

I agree with the ruling. If you want to hold an all day ritual, then perhaps you should stay out of prison.

In the words of Jim Carrey in "Liar Liar": "Stop breaking the law, a--hole!!"

“WOOH!!”

Since: May 08

Vallejo, CA

#5 Jan 11, 2009
Breaking the law and being in prison aside, why the hell would anybody need 3 HOURS to conduct a ritual??(Unless they're including time for the potluck, of course!)

“All knowledge is worth having.”

Since: Feb 08

West Palm Beach

#6 Jan 11, 2009
OMG Clark! You just managed to make me spit coffee first thing this morning...Thanks!

“NM Desert Rat”

Since: Mar 08

Elephant Butte, N.M.

#7 Jan 11, 2009
Clark you are hilarious. You made my morning. Thanks!

“NM Desert Rat”

Since: Mar 08

Elephant Butte, N.M.

#8 Jan 11, 2009
I believe three hours to do their ritual is ample time. If you want more time then quit being a criminal. When you are not incarcerated you can take as much time as you please.

“GO TOPLESS!!”

Since: Apr 08

Webster, MA

#9 Jan 11, 2009
NM Desert Rat wrote:
I believe three hours to do their ritual is ample time. If you want more time then quit being a criminal. When you are not incarcerated you can take as much time as you please.
Yup.

I have a dear friend who is incarcerated... been there for like 3 years and has about 3 to go. It has given me a unique insight of the prison system.

I used to be opposed to criminals having access to a gym, lots of books, educational programs, etc.

I've since softened my view a little. Not a lot, but a little.

These guys should have SOME rights. They have the right not to be abused by the COs or a corrupt system. They need to have basic medical care, 3 meals and a reasonably warm place to sleep.

But, there needs to be a limit. These people committed crimes, and many believe their rights tend to super-cede the rights of their victims. Bottom line is, prison is meant to be punishment. It's great that some of these guys "find God" or another religion... maybe it will help prepare them to turn their lives around when they get out.

But, not only are they NOT entitled to special treatment, but they need to stop feeling the ENTITLEMENT of needing special treatment.

We have become a very "entitled" society. So many people believe they deserve special treatment because of their religion, ethnicity, etc.

Equal rights, yes... special treatment? No.

These "entitled" people understand that 1) they aren't really entitled to anything special, and 2) sometimes, life isn't fair.
Joe

Edinburgh, UK

#10 Jan 12, 2009
Is an embarrassment anyway. How can these people call themselves Wiccans? The Wiccan Rede "do what you will, but harm none" is at conflict with the fact that they have harmed in some way because they are IN JAIL!!! Unless is a non payment of debts etc...then, fact is they should not be calling themselves Wiccan because they are not. Prisoners tend to be people without much thought for the world around them, or the innocents they hurt. So please no more crap stories like this they are a joke.

“GO TOPLESS!!”

Since: Apr 08

Douglas, MA

#11 Jan 12, 2009
Joe wrote:
Is an embarrassment anyway. How can these people call themselves Wiccans? The Wiccan Rede "do what you will, but harm none" is at conflict with the fact that they have harmed in some way because they are IN JAIL!!! Unless is a non payment of debts etc...then, fact is they should not be calling themselves Wiccan because they are not. Prisoners tend to be people without much thought for the world around them, or the innocents they hurt. So please no more crap stories like this they are a joke.
Hi Joe...

First, this story doesn't specify if these guys discovered Wicca after incarceration, or if they were calling themselves Wiccan before they committed their crimes.

Also... they are still humans, after all. We tend to be prone to mistakes. The article also didn't mention what these guys did to land themselves in jail. Some offenses WILL get you jail immediately, like vehicular homicide, which can happen if you drive drunk. They may have also had drug problems, causing them to do things they may not normally do.

It isn't that I'm trying to make excuses for these guys. I don't know them or anything. I DO think this lawsuit is kind of frivolous... but it isn't for me to sit here, behind my computer, and say whether these guys are "true" Wiccans or not.

To do that makes me no better than our "Christian" friends... many of whom have their own view of what being a "true" Christian is, and they have no problem telling people and judging people based on their own narrow view.

If these guys are just full of hot air, then they will get theirs. But, it isn't for we mortals to decide or judge.

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