Pastors: Jesus Loves the Glutton, Cro...

Pastors: Jesus Loves the Glutton, Crook, Porn Star, Religious

There are 17 comments on the www.christianpost.com story from Aug 30, 2009, titled Pastors: Jesus Loves the Glutton, Crook, Porn Star, Religious. In it, www.christianpost.com reports that:

Popularly known as "the porn pastor," Craig Gross has one simple message he wants to tell: Jesus loves you no matter who you are or what you've done.

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“ ILKS r kewl ”

Since: Apr 09

Conch republic

#1 Sep 1, 2009
"Jesus loves you no matter who you are or what you've done"

Thats NOT what is 'taught' by the fundies!
debunker

United States

#2 Sep 1, 2009
well, exactly what do the fundies say about the past of the repentant, which is the people that statement implies 'what you've done'
nicker-doodle

United States

#3 Sep 2, 2009
Troth for Leogere wrote:
"Jesus loves you no matter who you are or what you've done"
Thats NOT what is 'taught' by the fundies!
If a "fundamental" Christian does not share what Jesus stated in Luke 5:32["I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance."], then they are not truly "fundamental"-now are they?
teachero

Cleveland, OH

#4 Sep 2, 2009
It is true that Jesus loves all, but you will not be saved until you truly repent and see the error of your ways. It saddens me that this man has such a distorted view and is spreading it all around, preaching it too out children and others whoare unstable and searching for something. The vulnerable are the ones who will fall into his trap.

“Life Force One”

Since: Mar 09

The Spiritual Universe

#5 Sep 2, 2009
teachero wrote:
It is true that Jesus loves all, but you will not be saved until you truly repent and see the error of your ways. It saddens me that this man has such a distorted view and is spreading it all around, preaching it too out children and others whoare unstable and searching for something. The vulnerable are the ones who will fall into his trap.
Nope, your Jesus is a myth and there is nothing to be "saved" from.
Your friend

San Antonio, TX

#6 Sep 3, 2009
teachero wrote:
It is true that Jesus loves all, but you will not be saved until you truly repent and see the error of your ways. It saddens me that this man has such a distorted view and is spreading it all around, preaching it too out children and others whoare unstable and searching for something. The vulnerable are the ones who will fall into his trap.
If I see you in the distance and call for you, does it not take time for you to come? Repentance is the eventual destination, but in this world repentance is a journey. "Repent" is translated as a "renewal of the mind." To renew one's mind is quite an accomplishment and I don't think any of us are there yet.

“Seek First! ”

Since: Mar 08

Woodstock, GA

#7 Sep 3, 2009
Troth for Leogere wrote:
"Jesus loves you no matter who you are or what you've done"
Thats NOT what is 'taught' by the fundies!
ummmm.........what exactly is taught by the "fundies"

in love
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“Life Force One”

Since: Mar 09

The Spiritual Universe

#8 Sep 3, 2009
Your friend wrote:
<quoted text>
If I see you in the distance and call for you, does it not take time for you to come? Repentance is the eventual destination, but in this world repentance is a journey. "Repent" is translated as a "renewal of the mind." To renew one's mind is quite an accomplishment and I don't think any of us are there yet.
No, repentance is an ongoing process, where one becomes aware that what they have done is wrong and against the laws of God. Bit by bit, as each wrong action or way of thinking is determined to wrong. Then and there one should grieve and repent for what they have done. AND NEVER DO IT AGAIN! Otherwise, they have not completed the full repentance process. And upon their judgment, all those who they had wronged will be there, or their angels or spiritual guides, to bear witness against them. Then God will pierce their soul and make them feel all the pain, loss, humiliation, suffering, etc., each of their victims had endured. This will be their final chance to FULLY grieve and repent. If they do not, they will not pass judgment.

If one learns how to use the advanced energies/abilities of their soul, they can not only have a "renewal of the mind", they can even rebuild their soul, releasing any bad energy that may be hindering their spiritual progress. In fact this is necessary as one evolves and attains spiritual levels that allows them to progress toward the center of Heaven. As the closer one goes toward the center of Heaven/God, the energy becomes purer. So one's energy must be in accord with the position they are allowed to attain/enter. Like while "I", my soul, is allowed to enter the center of Heaven, it's only for learning experiences, as I feel uncomfortable there because my soul's energy has not attained that level yet. I can only help out in God's plan for ALL souls, to about 2/3 of the way toward the center of Heaven/God.
Your friend

San Antonio, TX

#9 Sep 3, 2009
Seen Is Awesome wrote:
<quoted text>
No, repentance is an ongoing process, where one becomes aware that what they have done is wrong and against the laws of God. Bit by bit, as each wrong action or way of thinking is determined to wrong. Then and there one should grieve and repent for what they have done. AND NEVER DO IT AGAIN! Otherwise, they have not completed the full repentance process. And upon their judgment, all those who they had wronged will be there, or their angels or spiritual guides, to bear witness against them. Then God will pierce their soul and make them feel all the pain, loss, humiliation, suffering, etc., each of their victims had endured. This will be their final chance to FULLY grieve and repent. If they do not, they will not pass judgment.
If one learns how to use the advanced energies/abilities of their soul, they can not only have a "renewal of the mind", they can even rebuild their soul, releasing any bad energy that may be hindering their spiritual progress. In fact this is necessary as one evolves and attains spiritual levels that allows them to progress toward the center of Heaven. As the closer one goes toward the center of Heaven/God, the energy becomes purer. So one's energy must be in accord with the position they are allowed to attain/enter. Like while "I", my soul, is allowed to enter the center of Heaven, it's only for learning experiences, as I feel uncomfortable there because my soul's energy has not attained that level yet. I can only help out in God's plan for ALL souls, to about 2/3 of the way toward the center of Heaven/God.
The second paragraph is very insightful...I am impressed.

“Life Force One”

Since: Mar 09

The Spiritual Universe

#10 Sep 3, 2009
Your friend wrote:
<quoted text>
The second paragraph is very insightful...I am impressed.
How typically Christian arrogant and condescending of you, I'm NOT impressed.

You see, that's all you arrogant and pretend holier than thou Christians do, is READ from your book of primitive pagan superstitions, myths, and lies, then pick and choose what primitive pagan superstitions, myths, and lies you WANT to believe. And no matter how foolish they are, or how many times you are shown their foolishness, you will never admit how foolish they are, nor change your beliefs to conform to anything close to being truthful.

Now BOTH paragraphs of my post are factual, based upon my soul's spiritual journeys into Heaven. But by making your arrogantly condescending remark on the one, thus implying the other is false, tells me you pick and choose what you WANT to believe. That, and replying with nothing more than the arrogantly condescending remark, also validates my previous observations about you, as it indicates you are not interested in learning anything, but cling to your previous pick and choose beliefs, no matter how foolish they are.
teachero

Cleveland, OH

#11 Sep 3, 2009
Your friend wrote:
<quoted text>
If I see you in the distance and call for you, does it not take time for you to come? Repentance is the eventual destination, but in this world repentance is a journey. "Repent" is translated as a "renewal of the mind." To renew one's mind is quite an accomplishment and I don't think any of us are there yet.
Point well taken and agreed with.
Your friend

San Antonio, TX

#12 Sep 4, 2009
Seen Is Awesome wrote:
<quoted text>How typically Christian arrogant and condescending of you, I'm NOT impressed.You see, that's all you arrogant and pretend holier than thou Christians do, is READ from your book of primitive pagan superstitions, myths, and lies, then pick and choose what primitive pagan superstitions, myths, and lies you WANT to believe. And no matter how foolish they are, or how many times you are shown their foolishness, you will never admit how foolish they are, nor change your beliefs to conform to anything close to being truthful.Now BOTH paragraphs of my post are factual, based upon my soul's spiritual journeys into Heaven. But by making your arrogantly condescending remark on the one, thus implying the other is false, tells me you pick and choose what you WANT to believe. That, and replying with nothing more than the arrogantly condescending remark, also validates my previous observations about you, as it indicates you are not interested in learning anything, but cling to your previous pick and choose beliefs, no matter how foolish they are.
If I appear to be condescending and arrogant please know that it is not my intent. When I told you I was impressed, please understand that I was actually impressed and truly believed what you wrote was insightful. However, I don't claim anything I believe as fact. For example, I believe that the sun will rise tomorrow, but this is not fact; I don't really know, for sure, if the earth will continue to turn. Faith is believing in the unseen. A fact would be that the sun rose this morning, at least in my part of the world. As you will notice, I will not assault you but rather focus on the issue. If one reads any respected scientic journal, then one realizes that the focus is on the topic of discussion...not the person. It is easy to criticize a person using adjectives such as "arrogance" and "condescending." Even criticizing another's beliefs doesn't yeild much progress. I believe it is more beneficial to profer one's opinion about the discussion and not the person. In the future, I will dillegently attempt not to use any adjectives about the subject matter like "impressed" or "insightful" when corresponding with you. Let us speak objectively about the subjective. Friend, I have learned from you; I have learned to be more careful with my words. In the end, saying that I am impressed or your words were insighful is nothing more than flattery.

“Life Force One”

Since: Mar 09

The Spiritual Universe

#13 Sep 4, 2009
Your friend wrote:
<quoted text>If I appear to be condescending and arrogant please know that it is not my intent. When I told you I was impressed, please understand that I was actually impressed and truly believed what you wrote was insightful. However, I don't claim anything I believe as fact. For example, I believe that the sun will rise tomorrow, but this is not fact; I don't really know, for sure, if the earth will continue to turn. Faith is believing in the unseen. A fact would be that the sun rose this morning, at least in my part of the world. As you will notice, I will not assault you but rather focus on the issue. If one reads any respected scientic journal, then one realizes that the focus is on the topic of discussion...not the person. It is easy to criticize a person using adjectives such as "arrogance" and "condescending." Even criticizing another's beliefs doesn't yeild much progress. I believe it is more beneficial to profer one's opinion about the discussion and not the person. In the future, I will dillegently attempt not to use any adjectives about the subject matter like "impressed" or "insightful" when corresponding with you. Let us speak objectively about the subjective. Friend, I have learned from you; I have learned to be more careful with my words. In the end, saying that I am impressed or your words were insighful is nothing more than flattery.
But coming from an arrogant Christian, it comes across with the usual arrogance of being impressed that anyone NOT a self proclaimed holier than thou, know it all Christian, could possible know anything spiritual. Which I find so irritating because the vast majority of Christians are spiritually clueless. They are so deeply deceived/brainwashed with the Christian superstitions, myths, and lies designed to block people off from the real God, they will never spiritually evolve enough to pass judgment. Yet they are so arrogant despite their spiritual ignorance, they think their superstitions, myths, and lies, gives them the right to look down upon and condemn everyone not a Christian.
Your friend

San Antonio, TX

#14 Sep 4, 2009
Seen Is Awesome wrote:
<quoted text>
But coming from an arrogant Christian, it comes across with the usual arrogance of being impressed that anyone NOT a self proclaimed holier than thou, know it all Christian, could possible know anything spiritual. Which I find so irritating because the vast majority of Christians are spiritually clueless. They are so deeply deceived/brainwashed with the Christian superstitions, myths, and lies designed to block people off from the real God, they will never spiritually evolve enough to pass judgment. Yet they are so arrogant despite their spiritual ignorance, they think their superstitions, myths, and lies, gives them the right to look down upon and condemn everyone not a Christian.
Consider this: Is it reasonable to say that we are unspiritual? I mean if any of us were truly "Spritual", wouldn't we possess the power to leave our body-not just temporarily, but eternally. I believe that I am unspiritual seeking the spiritual. However, I am trapped in this mortal body. While I have times of great joy and a sense of the "Spirit", inwardly I groan for deliverance from my own thoughts and body and long for the reuniting of myself with that which is "In the beginning."

“Life Force One”

Since: Mar 09

The Spiritual Universe

#15 Sep 4, 2009
Your friend wrote:
<quoted text>
Consider this: Is it reasonable to say that we are unspiritual? I mean if any of us were truly "Spritual", wouldn't we possess the power to leave our body-not just temporarily, but eternally. I believe that I am unspiritual seeking the spiritual. However, I am trapped in this mortal body. While I have times of great joy and a sense of the "Spirit", inwardly I groan for deliverance from my own thoughts and body and long for the reuniting of myself with that which is "In the beginning."
LMAO

You are basically no different than any of the other Christians here. As they all do this, throw out these red herrings that have little or nothing to do with whatever point it is that shows the falseness of their religion, that they don't want to face.

But the fact remains that you, as a Christian are spiritually clueless. I mean you wanted to talk about evolution, and although I know you meant the PHYSICAL evolution issue, I stated a little about SPIRITUAL evolution. And you had nothing to bring to the table, just some arrogant condescending remark about being impressed that I, a NON-Christian, knew anything spiritual. Even though what I stated was way beyond anything your primitive Christianity teaches. So now you avoid another of my posts showing the falseness of your religion, as again you have nothing truly spiritual to offer, to prove me wrong. Just this red herring reply which only proves you, as a Christian, are spiritually clueless.

Spiritual:
1. Of, relating to, consisting of, or having the nature of spirit; not tangible or material. See Synonyms at immaterial.
2. Of, concerned with, or affecting the soul.
3. Of, from, or relating to God; deific.
4. Relating to or having the nature of spirits or a spirit; supernatural

And "you" are NOT really "trapped" in this body. For "you" are really your soul, and your body is just an interface to interact with this physical world. But during an NDE when just a child, my soul went into Heaven and many things were revealed to me. One of which was all about my soul, it's energies/abilities, and how to use them. I later used this information to figure out how to shift most of my consciousness from my physical mind, to my soul, then cross over into Heaven and get answers to my spiritual questions. And have been doing this my entire life. And ANYBODY should be able to learn how to do this as >>ALL<< souls have a direct connection to the real God. But fake religions like your Christianity have inserted themselves in between God and man, and blocked you off from the real God, your soul, and anything truly spiritual so that you be unable to pass judgment. They have deceived/brainwashed you all into believing God is a PHYSICAL man, that the inane gibberish in the book of lies, is "spiritual", that you don't have to DO ANYTHING to spiritually evolve, you just automatically get a free pass into Heaven by blindly believing in their fake "god" and inane gibberish, etc. Now tell me this, what do they teach you about your soul, it's energies/abilities, how to use them, the SPIRITUAL nature of God, his laws for governing the universe, his plan for >>ALL<< souls, what Heaven is like, what work needs to be done there to help >>ALL<< the developing souls, etc?

Now go and search the bible and you will not find anything of substance on your soul or the SPIRITUAL nature of God. Now the core of your religion is "saving" everyone's soul for your evil "god". Yet they have left you totally clueless as to anything about either, yet alone all the other concepts I mentioned that you will need to know before you can pass judgment.

Now I welcome even feeble attempts to prove me wrong, but you will only find that there is nothing of substance on these spiritual matters in the bible or mainstream Christian dogma.

Since: Sep 09

Trumbull, CT

#16 Sep 8, 2009
I don't see it I don't believe it. Plain and simple...


I don't get how these people scream on corners yet now want to allow anybody in. Seems like the authority of "scripture" is subjective...
Arveen

Bangalore, India

#17 Feb 8, 2011
Even i had argued against this statement, but only when i experienced the Love of Jesus i believed this now i tell at least 10 people a day that JESUS loves all. Kindly before comments have an encounter with JESUS.

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