Ky. inmates not happy with private co...

Ky. inmates not happy with private company's prison food - Franklin County

There are 63 comments on the www.kentucky.com story from Oct 22, 2009, titled Ky. inmates not happy with private company's prison food - Franklin County. In it, www.kentucky.com reports that:

Inmate surveys show plummeting approval ratings of prison food in Kentucky since the state outsourced the work to a private company in 2005, creating unhappy prisoners that some believe have become a security problem.

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Since: Aug 09

Frankfort

#2 Oct 22, 2009
I never really want to join conversations about prisoners or their rights. I hate grouping them all together; yes, they are all prisoners, but they are in there for a very wide variety of reasons. I have a hard time putting child molesters/rapists/murderers in the same group as, say, some one who stole a car. I would have a hard time caring what, if anything, the former eats.

That said, all people need food. I would hope that the people running our jails and prisons here in Kentucky could think about the well-being of our prisoners. I can see how the lack of food and poor food quality could possibly lead to (though maybe not be the sole cause of) violence. If a person is hungry or is not satisfied with the quality of food on a base level (lacking nutrition may lead you to still crave food), it can cause some unrest. I hope that when the contract is up in 2011 they will consider contracting with some one who can actually help the prisoners, not their own wallets.

“Never stop learning.”

Since: Sep 09

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#3 Oct 22, 2009
Okay, here is 12 million a year that can be added back into the state budget.

I thought that prisoners raised their own veggies and the like. Guess I was wrong again. Oh, well.

I don't like the idea of out-sourcing any thing that has to do with our state. We need jobs here, not in some other state or country.

Why can't the prisons have farms to supply the prisoners with food? I'm having a hard time wrapping my mind around this.

And aria, I agree, no one should go hungry. It just isn't right. Being in prison and separated from everyone, etc, is punishment, why make them go hungry too?
Yourenotgoingtol ikethis

United States

#4 Oct 23, 2009
Ok let me get this straight we aren't talking about prisoners getting food, but a survey that says they don't like the food? I didn't realize prisoners were in prison for the great food. Maybe each one should get their own personal chef. While we are at it let's redecorate these places to be like a 5 star hotel. Look these people on in prison for punishment of crimes. Alot of them, like the rapists and murderers, should be happy that justice isn't like it was years ago with a public execution by hanging or worse. As far as outsourcing the food I agree keep the work in the state, but don't make the change because the poor pitiful nuisances to society don't like the quality.

“Knowledge is power.”

Since: Apr 09

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#5 Oct 23, 2009
Um, Im sorry. You are in prison.
Ya know??
School programs get bottom of the barrel meat and milk..

Since: Aug 09

Frankfort

#7 Oct 23, 2009
Josh Owens wrote:
Gina-
How dare you! You know the ultra liberals will never let that happen! After all, work is cruel and unusual punishment.
Seriously though, Oneida Baptist Institute is self-supporting, why can't a prison do the same thing? I have wondered myself..
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Did you go to Oneida? My husband went there. I haven't heard all wonderful things about Oneida, but so far all the students I've spoken with like that it is self-supporting.

Just to be clear, I'm not supporting giving prisoners fillet mingon or anything; just something that will keep their tummies full and their mouths shut. I agree 100% that our schools need better food and more choices. But when so many can barely hold their heads above the water, I don't see that changing any time soon.

“Never stop learning.”

Since: Sep 09

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#9 Oct 23, 2009
Josh Owens wrote:
Gina-
How dare you! You know the ultra liberals will never let that happen! After all, work is cruel and unusual punishment.
Seriously though, Oneida Baptist Institute is self-supporting, why can't a prison do the same thing? I have wondered myself..
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Josh, I thought about the cruel and unusual thing on my way to work this morning. Then I thought, nope it isn't cruel and unusual. All of us have to work for our supper by having jobs, etc. Why can't the prisoners do the same?

Since: Aug 09

Frankfort

#11 Oct 23, 2009
Josh Owens wrote:
No but I looked into it at one time. I ended up going to military academy instead. Did your husband enjoy it there? Yes it is a great place especially for the mountain children of that region
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He liked that he got to live off campus in "town" because his grandfather was a major contributor lol. He lived on campus for a while, but he and the Dean of Students clashed too often. He couldn't throw my husband out, but he did end up throwing several of his friends out, and performed an "exorcism" on him. Strange lol. There are so many students that come from so many different countries to be there! A lot of sons of diplomats from Etheopia, Thailand, and other places go there. There was even a former Freedom Fighter there when my husband was there, who became a Freedom Fighter at around age 12.
Prison sucks

Frankfort, KY

#12 Oct 23, 2009
Josh Owens wrote:
Gina-
How dare you! You know the ultra liberals will never let that happen! After all, work is cruel and unusual punishment.
Seriously though, Oneida Baptist Institute is self-supporting, why can't a prison do the same thing? I have wondered myself..
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Josh, I thought about the cruel and unusual thing on my way to work this morning. Then I thought, nope it isn't cruel and unusual. All of us have to work for our supper by having jobs, etc. Why can't the prisoners do the same?
Prisons do have farms, but don't generate nearly enough to feed all the prisoners. There are 22,000 people in state prison right now. The money the prisoners earn doing their odds and ends jobs goes into their canteen where they buy store food. Its comparable to getting a crappy school lunch for a buck and then being able to buy Granola® bars and the like for 50 cents. The lunch is cheap and is sucks, but you have the other option.
Bad food in our prisons was part of the reason the riot started in August. It was in the paper today.
Prison sucks

Frankfort, KY

#13 Oct 23, 2009
Gina C wrote:
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Josh, I thought about the cruel and unusual thing on my way to work this morning. Then I thought, nope it isn't cruel and unusual. All of us have to work for our supper by having jobs, etc. Why can't the prisoners do the same?
Sorry, let me post that right.

Prisons do have farms, but don't generate nearly enough to feed all the prisoners. There are 22,000 people in state prison right now. The money the prisoners earn doing their odds and ends jobs goes into their canteen where they buy store food. Its comparable to getting a crappy school lunch for a buck and then being able to buy Granola® bars and the like for 50 cents. The lunch is cheap and is sucks, but you have the other option.
Bad food in our prisons was part of the reason the riot started in August. It was in the paper today.
Concerned parent

Danville, KY

#14 Oct 23, 2009
Ok, my son had just turned 18 when he made a mistake and is now in detention.Since his arrest he has got his GED and got certificates for accomplishing drug and alcohol classes, and soon will be doing classes on line to try to get a degree in something so he will be able to get a job and start his life over when he gets out. Since he has been in there he said the portions are so small and alot of food can't be eaten. If not for my 20-25 dolars a week I can send him he would go hungry, and he says many inmates in there do. So its not that they are just picky eaters that they don't like the taste, it's the sized portions and actually if the food is good enough to eat. Yes they have served food that can make you sick. My son knows he did wrong, but he is in there serving his time and trying to learn from his mistakes but why is steadily allowing inmates to slowly starve not cruel punishment-cause they can't do anything to stop it. Cost of commissary is outragous like small trial size toothpaste 4.00 and ramen noodles that actually costs 20 cents a pack but in there 2.00. So I can't see how they can say it cost taxpayers so much money to house them when the families of inmates are payin for their food and hygiene and if they need to see a doctor it's 20 and nurse visit 10. One advil 2.00. So it's not all coming out of your alls pockets, trust me on that. Like the person before said they profit of these inmates and their families!!

“Never stop learning.”

Since: Sep 09

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#15 Oct 23, 2009
Josh Owens wrote:
Exactly. You know I was just being silly, right? lol
Yep.

“Knowledge is power.”

Since: Apr 09

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#16 Oct 24, 2009
Again.
They are in prison.
They are there for reasons.
They broke the law: hence, they no longer get what they want, only what they need.
This coming from someone who still believes in the death penalty though. So..

“Never stop learning.”

Since: Sep 09

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#17 Oct 24, 2009
Prison sucks wrote:
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Sorry, let me post that right.
Prisons do have farms, but don't generate nearly enough to feed all the prisoners. There are 22,000 people in state prison right now. The money the prisoners earn doing their odds and ends jobs goes into their canteen where they buy store food. Its comparable to getting a crappy school lunch for a buck and then being able to buy Granola® bars and the like for 50 cents. The lunch is cheap and is sucks, but you have the other option.
I get what you're saying. This seems to be an opportunity for Kentucky to encourage what few farms there are left in Kentucky that aren't horse farms, to grow food, including meat, for the prisoners. It could start a whole chain of jobs: producers, harvesters, processors, canneries, shipping, etc. It could start with one prison, then as things grew and caught on, spread to other prisons. Trusted inmates could help with the process.(I'm NOT talking about chain gangs coming back either.)

The state could use the money saved from canceling the out of state food contract to help with the upstart. It would bring jobs back to Kentucky and we as a state could be more efficient.

Yes, it is prison and these people have broken the law in some way. I don't see why they should be hungry, this isn't a gulag country, at least I didn't think it was.

“Knowledge is power.”

Since: Apr 09

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#18 Oct 24, 2009
They aren't hungry, they are being picky.

“Never stop learning.”

Since: Sep 09

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#19 Oct 24, 2009
If they are that picky, let them grow their own and cook it. That way the only ones they can blame for food quality would be themselves. But they can eat all they want. Veggies are better for a body any way than chicken mcnuggets and burgers.
Joey

Roaring River, NC

#20 Dec 3, 2009
I was at Northpoint and the food is bad! People can say whatever about criminals and food but what everything comes down to is Ky prisons are all about making money and they don"nt care about the inmates who go to bed each night hungry because they have poor families or none at all. They make money from their canteens and I watched as each time food got worse they added more food products and expanded their canteens. I agree that ther'es prisoners who don'nt deserve anything but there are good people there to!
Joey

Roaring River, NC

#21 Dec 3, 2009
If you all don'nt think it's all about money and jobs ask a family who has someone locked up what it costes for them to call collect. I can go to any store and buy anything they sell in prison for about 20% of what they charge! They make a % off of everything. I guarantee that since they got that food service to feed inmates that yes they saved money but somewhere along the line state workers are getting more money and so the taxpayers including me are'nt saving nothing! Ky is'nt trying to rehab inmates but make more money!
pos

Owensboro, KY

#22 Dec 3, 2009
Joey wrote:
If you all don'nt think it's all about money and jobs ask a family who has someone locked up what it costes for them to call collect. I can go to any store and buy anything they sell in prison for about 20% of what they charge! They make a % off of everything. I guarantee that since they got that food service to feed inmates that yes they saved money but somewhere along the line state workers are getting more money and so the taxpayers including me are'nt saving nothing! Ky is'nt trying to rehab inmates but make more money!
joey, you are so right! My guy is at ntc now and there are way more problems at ntc than just food, but the food is a major issue. Did you have a problem with staff there, excessive write-ups, and excessive loss of good time? My guy has been written up for the riot but he was in the hole during the riot, the hole suffered no damage!!! There is just oh so much more!!!
hello

Louisville, KY

#23 Mar 22, 2010
Yourenotgoingtolikethis wrote:
Ok let me get this straight we aren't talking about prisoners getting food, but a survey that says they don't like the food? I didn't realize prisoners were in prison for the great food. Maybe each one should get their own personal chef. While we are at it let's redecorate these places to be like a 5 star hotel. Look these people on in prison for punishment of crimes. Alot of them, like the rapists and murderers, should be happy that justice isn't like it was years ago with a public execution by hanging or worse. As far as outsourcing the food I agree keep the work in the state, but don't make the change because the poor pitiful nuisances to society don't like the quality.
I agree! They should just be fed bread and water. Take a look at the homeless people they do not get to pick and choose and I am sure go to sleep hungry. Then you have these criminals that want to be treated like they have not done anything wrong and have more rights than a free person.
hello

Louisville, KY

#24 Mar 22, 2010
Joey wrote:
If you all don'nt think it's all about money and jobs ask a family who has someone locked up what it costes for them to call collect. I can go to any store and buy anything they sell in prison for about 20% of what they charge! They make a % off of everything. I guarantee that since they got that food service to feed inmates that yes they saved money but somewhere along the line state workers are getting more money and so the taxpayers including me are'nt saving nothing! Ky is'nt trying to rehab inmates but make more money!
I am sorry but criminals should have NO rights. It is my understanding that is what prison is suppose to be. Put there for punishment not a vacation.

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