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FBI Task Force Arrests Oregon Teacher on Child Porn Charge

There are 144 comments on the Portland.fbi.gov story from Aug 9, 2006, titled FBI Task Force Arrests Oregon Teacher on Child Porn Charge. In it, Portland.fbi.gov reports that:

FBI Agents and members of the FBI's Innocent Images Task Force arrested JUSTIN MICHAEL GILLEN, age 24, on one count of possession of child pornography.

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Lynnea Mejia

Woodburn, OR

#44 Nov 13, 2006
As someone who attended Hyles-Anderson College, and was personal friends with Dave Hyles and Rodger Casteel, I can tell you that you are full of crap.
Lynnea Mejia

Woodburn, OR

#45 Nov 13, 2006
To what gossip do you refer? After reading the posts, everything seems to be backed up! I guess it is all part of the conspiricy against Hyles, eh?
byGodsgrace

Florence, MS

#46 Nov 14, 2006
Um...who are you talking about? Who are you for and against? You're comments are very confusing. And who's full of crap?
Lynnea Mejia

Woodburn, OR

#47 Nov 15, 2006
Yes
Lynnea Mejia

Woodburn, OR

#48 Nov 15, 2006
La puedas de los peridos pues. Por nos otros del sol. Irdia al ceilo til en cas. Juno arrete arbusto del nombre om der luchador.
Jeri Massi

Spartanburg, SC

#49 Nov 16, 2006
I document sexual abuses against children in Independent Fundamental Baptist churches. If somebody can p[rovide a synopsis of events at this church, I would appreciate it.

For the record, Jack Hyles was an adulterer, and his son David is a pervert. I often confront churches where the policy is to "tale the side fo the accused," which is absolutely unbiblical. If two or three witnesses are in agreement, the church is to investigate a complaint.

The sole elder type of rule in the IFB is not biblical. It creates a Baptist pope. The legalism in the IFB is not biblical. Open your Bible. Only a tiny, tiny weight of Scripture is pointed at a dress code. Yet a dress code and other externals make up the majority of IFB preaching. Independent Baptist Fundamentalism is a badly ruled, egotistical mess.

But I hope somebody will write down a synopsis of the incidents of abuse at this church. Or you can write to me at [email protected]
jmla04

Ellicott City, MD

#50 Nov 21, 2006
Jeri Massi wrote:
I document sexual abuses against children in Independent Fundamental Baptist churches. If somebody can p[rovide a synopsis of events at this church, I would appreciate it.
For the record, Jack Hyles was an adulterer, and his son David is a pervert. I often confront churches where the policy is to "tale the side fo the accused," which is absolutely unbiblical. If two or three witnesses are in agreement, the church is to investigate a complaint.
The sole elder type of rule in the IFB is not biblical. It creates a Baptist pope. The legalism in the IFB is not biblical. Open your Bible. Only a tiny, tiny weight of Scripture is pointed at a dress code. Yet a dress code and other externals make up the majority of IFB preaching. Independent Baptist Fundamentalism is a badly ruled, egotistical mess.
But I hope somebody will write down a synopsis of the incidents of abuse at this church. Or you can write to me at [email protected]
How dare you say that Dr.Hyles was an adulterer. He worshiped the ground Mrs Hyles walked on!
KNow one important

AOL

#51 Nov 22, 2006
Does anyone know how Stacy is handling it?
Michael

Molalla, OR

#52 Nov 22, 2006
jmla04 wrote:
<quoted text> How dare you say that Dr.Hyles was an adulterer. He worshiped the ground Mrs Hyles walked on!
In addition to praying to his mother and John R Rice? He sounds messed up!
byGodsgrace

Florence, MS

#53 Nov 29, 2006
wow! I just read this and think...there are some people with too much time on their hands. You probably shouldn't call Dr. Jack Hyles and adulterer or his son David a pervert unless you saw it or heard it yourself. It's fun hearing gossip and hearsay, but to spread it is sin. Of course, you probably never knew Dr. Hyles in person, so you would not know what your talking about. It's ok though, if he were still alive he'd pray for you all and love you all, because that's what your supposed to do for you enemies. Having a strict & good dress code is a great testimony to the Lord and the church. It shows the unsaved we believe in dressing modest & taking a stand the Lord.
Christ Vestal

Molalla, OR

#54 Nov 30, 2006
byGodsgrace wrote:
wow! I just read this and think...there are some people with too much time on their hands. You probably shouldn't call Dr. Jack Hyles and adulterer or his son David a pervert unless you saw it or heard it yourself. It's fun hearing gossip and hearsay, but to spread it is sin. Of course, you probably never knew Dr. Hyles in person, so you would not know what your talking about. It's ok though, if he were still alive he'd pray for you all and love you all, because that's what your supposed to do for you enemies. Having a strict & good dress code is a great testimony to the Lord and the church. It shows the unsaved we believe in dressing modest & taking a stand the Lord.
Hey there byGodsgrace! how are you doing? long time no see. There is something that Jesus would rather have us do than have short haircuts: John 13:35 Our Lord HIMSELF said that all men will know us as His disciples by our love, not our standards, convictions, Bible versions, or whatever. By our Love. Sadly, love for others is missing in fundamentalism. There is however, a great love of leaders, self, and numbers.
God Bless
Michael

Molalla, OR

#55 Dec 1, 2006
byGodsgrace wrote:
wow! I just read this and think...there are some people with too much time on their hands. You probably shouldn't call Dr. Jack Hyles and adulterer or his son David a pervert unless you saw it or heard it yourself. It's fun hearing gossip and hearsay, but to spread it is sin. Of course, you probably never knew Dr. Hyles in person, so you would not know what your talking about. It's ok though, if he were still alive he'd pray for you all and love you all, because that's what your supposed to do for you enemies. Having a strict & good dress code is a great testimony to the Lord and the church. It shows the unsaved we believe in dressing modest & taking a stand the Lord.
Acutally, it's pretty sad that a Baptist would say that. It isn't fun to hear gossip and hearsay, it is a sin. The Bible says "In the mouth of two or three wittnesses shall a matter be established." The allegations have numerous living witnesses. By your logic no one could comment on the evils of the Nazis unless he had been in the concentration camps himself!
Hmm, Wait... did you go to Hyles-Anderson College?

;-)

Don't feel bad, that pain is synapses firing
Jeri Massi

Vernon Hills, IL

#56 Dec 6, 2006
Michael wrote:
<quoted text>The Bible says "In the mouth of two or three wittnesses shall a matter be established." The allegations have numerous living witnesses. By your logic no one could comment on the evils of the Nazis unless he had been in the concentration camps himself!
The police reports and the evidence have established that Dave Hyles and/or Brenda Stevens Hyles certainly represented a danger to Brent Stevens. The evidence supports Actifed poisoning. Too many witnesses to name have come forward about Dave and his SWINGER life style, and the women he seduced and marriages he destroyed. And Vic Nischik and his daughter have come forward in public, by name, to assert that Hyles was an adulterer.
That *IS* the Biblical way to handle abuse in a church: to have witnesses come forward, and then have the elders hear the charges and evidence and reach a decision that is made public to the congregation so that they can accept or make appeals. That is what we see in the New Testament. Everything is made public, and the way is open for appeal, by means of witness accounts and evidence.
But Hyles got around the biblical method by teaching his lunatic "Jack Hyles on Justice," which is anti-biblical and endorses a policy that assures that no adulterer ro child molester can ever have charges brought against him. Pretty handy for both him and his son.
I repeat my request: if you have information on a history of abuse against children in this church, please contact me. I won't publish anything without suitable evidence. But if this church represents an ongoing danger to high-risk children, I do want to get the info, see if I can gather evidence, and make a pubic record. You can reach me at [email protected]
Gary

Birmingham, AL

#57 Dec 11, 2006
Jeri Massi wrote:
<quoted text>
The police reports and the evidence have established that Dave Hyles and/or Brenda Stevens Hyles certainly represented a danger to Brent Stevens. The evidence supports Actifed poisoning. Too many witnesses to name have come forward about Dave and his SWINGER life style, and the women he seduced and marriages he destroyed. And Vic Nischik and his daughter have come forward in public, by name, to assert that Hyles was an adulterer.
That *IS* the Biblical way to handle abuse in a church: to have witnesses come forward, and then have the elders hear the charges and evidence and reach a decision that is made public to the congregation so that they can accept or make appeals. That is what we see in the New Testament. Everything is made public, and the way is open for appeal, by means of witness accounts and evidence.
But Hyles got around the biblical method by teaching his lunatic "Jack Hyles on Justice," which is anti-biblical and endorses a policy that assures that no adulterer ro child molester can ever have charges brought against him. Pretty handy for both him and his son.
I repeat my request: if you have information on a history of abuse against children in this church, please contact me. I won't publish anything without suitable evidence. But if this church represents an ongoing danger to high-risk children, I do want to get the info, see if I can gather evidence, and make a pubic record. You can reach me at [email protected]
Jeri: Do you know whatever became of Dave Hyles. The last I heard he was attending Dr. Vines church in FL. Is he involved in ministry there?
jhkjhk

New Albany, OH

#58 Dec 11, 2006
jhkjh;lkj
Rettmom

Wilsonville, OR

#59 Dec 15, 2006
100 _for_Hyles wrote:
You are a ignrant slobb!!! You think you so high and might to be having the emailings about the dearly deperted Dr. Hyles! He was the man of God thet kept America free!!! He was the man of God that kept the commiees from taking over the country that you and other deeper life christiands live in!! You have no right to questions him about anything he says to about preaching sermons or the Lords Supper or sex.
He is the better man than you are and he is closer to god than you will ever be, and I don't need to read what you say the Bible says or what I think the Bible say because dr hyles and dr schaap tell me because they are closer to God than I will ever be! I went to Hyles anderson, and I think you never did!!! You are making fun of Grand View Baptist Church and CHRIS VESTAL!!! YOU ARE NOT HIMS AT ALL!!! HOW DAR YOU MOCK A MAN OF GOD!!! HE IS HOLY AND IS BETTER THAN YOU AND YOU ARE GOING TO HELL BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT SAVED BECAUSE YOU TOUCHED THE LORDS ANNOINTED THE MAN OF GOD AND IF YOU WERE SAVED YU WOOD NOT DO THAT!!! I WENT TO GVCA AND I LIKED IT!!
<quoted text>
Wow, is it obvious you went to GVCA - you can't spell and your grammar is horrible!

In any case, while I don't agree with someone making inflamatory statements while pretending to be someone else, I do understand the origins of this "Vestal" person's statements. There are many things that have been wrong at Grand View for a long time, and not all of them have to do with sex scandal. Any time you get a leader who says, from the pulpit, "This is my will, my vision, not God's," and then tries to bring to fruition plans that he openly admits are not God's, the entire church is being led astray and will suffer for it.
Lynnea Mejia

Lake Charles, LA

#61 Jan 3, 2007
The simple truth is this: the only "witnesses" to the alleged adultry of Dr. Hyles are the accusers themselves. I doubt that would hold up in a court of law anywhere. He was a famous man...I attended that church more than 10 years. Thousands of people pass through there annually. To have some of them spread rumors is to be expected--it happens in smaller churches, but on an obviously smaller scale. Bottom line--I don't think that I would place my faith about a man's spiritual condition on the rumors of others. I would base it on the results of that man's ministry. Yes, many, many have come forward with stories, rumors and tales of horror--on the flip side, hundreds of thousands have been saved due to his ministry. Thousands of great preachers across America and the world are products of his ministry for the Lord. Can all of you "stone-casters" out there say the same thing about your life? If not, you may want to hesitate and think before you cast your next stone against him or any other pastor. He was a man--not a god. In all of the years that I knew & loved him, I never lost sight of that. Never expected perfection from him. However, my life is so much richer for having sat under the ministry of Dr. Jack Hyles. Those who have nothing better to do than criticize others might find their time better spent witnessing to those who haven't yet accepted Christ as their Saviour. How many people could you witness to in the time it takes you to read & type your criticisms???
Jeri Massi

Spartanburg, SC

#62 Jan 9, 2007
Lynnea Mejia wrote:
The simple truth is this: the only "witnesses" to the alleged adultry of Dr. Hyles are the accusers themselves.
This is the dumbest statement yet. ANY person who was a witness and came forward would then be an "accuser." So of course all the witnesses are accusers! What made them charge him with adultery was that they witnessed Hyles alienating the affections of Nischik's wife from her husband.

And the Bible says that in the mouths of two or three witnesses, let everything be established. Vic and both his kids came forward, but nobody obeyed the Bible and investigated!
Lynnea Mejia wrote:
I doubt that would hold up in a court of law anywhere.
Actually, Attorney Voyle Glover wrote FUNDAMENTAL SEDUCTION to show that there was abundant evidence that probably WOULD hold up in a court of law.

[QUOTE who="Lynnea Mejia"He was a famous man...I attended that church more than 10 years. Thousands of people pass through there annually. To have some of them spread rumors is to be expected--it happens in smaller churches, but on an obviously smaller scale.[/QUOTE]

By that equally stupid logic, Mark Foley is also innocent of trying to seduce pages, as he is a "famous" man. Indeed, that logic would make any well known criminal immune to charges, simply on the grounds that the more well known you are, the more likely it is you will face charges. The reality is that, while that is true, well known and influential people do commit sins and crimes, and these allegations are settled by INVESTIGATION, not denial and refusal to address the accusers.

[QUOTE who="Lynnea Mejia"Bottom line--I don't think that I would place my faith about a man's spiritual condition on the rumors of others. I would base it on the results of that man's ministry. Yes, many, many have come forward with stories, rumors and tales of horror--on the flip side, hundreds of thousands have been saved due to his ministry.[/QUOTE]

Just remember the dreadful end of those who come before God and proclaim, "Have we not done many wonderful works in Your name?" YOU might be impressed, but God, by His own account, is not impressed at all.
Lynnea Mejia

Lake Charles, LA

#63 Jan 10, 2007
Well, Jeri, you're not the first person to suggest that I'm stupid but you are the first today. Did you know that there are more than 3 witnesses that have come forward and accused Vic Nischik of hitting on his fellow employees and basically any young thing in a skirt while he was married to the mother of his children? Have you weighed their accusations? And, if those accusations are true, would his word still hold so much weight with you? I don't find it surprising that the children would side with him, either. Would be much easier to accept your parents' divorce because some evil man seduced your mother than to believe that the divorce was a result of your father's inability to control his wandering eyes. The issue of Dr. Hyles' fame was not to suggest that famous people don't make mistakes on a grand scale...it was to suggest that the large volume of various accusations against Dr. Hyles may be based on the incredibly large volume of people that pass through that church/college/school system. I'm sorry that I apparently didn't articulate that well enough for you to grasp. Bottom line is that, unless God has spoken directly to you and audibly confirmed guilt on the part of Bro. Hyles, I would simply suggest that you research adequately any and all claims against him--and do so with an open mind. Remember, I can claim that my neighbor has done awful things to me--am I to be believed simply based on accusation or should I have tangible proof before my accusations are to be believed & a man's life destroyed? And, if I can find 3 or 4 neighbors who just don't like him and get them to side with me, does that make my accusation true or have I just played my cards smart? So many people are ready to aim and fire and Dr. Hyles--even after his death. How much research has anyone done on Vic Nischik? Is he historically a man of his word? Was HE faithful? Was he an upstanding Christian? Check with his former co-workers...see what they say. Then go ahead and cast your stones. I'm only asking that folks be fair and thorough. It's what I would want if someone started hurling accusations at me. And, for the record, the LAST thing I would do would be to immediately and loudly protest my innocence--my opinion is that the louder I protested, the more guilty I might appear. Think about it.
Christ Vestal

Molalla, OR

#64 Jan 10, 2007
Dear Lynnea Mejia,
I for one am fantastically happy to make the aquaintance of someone as asstute as you. Based on your deductive prowess I am sure you would agree that the charges against Adolph Hitler concerning WWII and the concentration camps are false. After all, he was the head of a country comprising MILLIONS of citizens! He touched and changed the lives of countless multitudes! And the "accusers" against him are either dead, or morally suspect! It is so good to see someone here on the internet who can show the intelligence to understand the innocence of the German government in the face of the charges brought against it.

PS: in case you don't get it, this is that thing called "sarcasm" you've been hearing all about. The fact is you are blindly loyal to a man, not to God. Although you are not entirely to blame, this cult-like mentality is prevalent in Independent Baptist circles. Your leaders promote an idolotry of the individual, and pass it off as a God-pleasing loyalty. I truly pity you.

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