Polish museum wages battle for wartime letters -- Travel

[SilkyJohnson]

Goethicus wrote:

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I think it came about when the expanding Slavs met the expanding Germans, and well, since neither could understand each other, the Slavs quite naturally called their interlocutors 'the dumb ones': dumb as in the Middle English usage, meaning mute.

cool
I wasn`t emplying that germans are dumb
if thats the way I came across,
thats y I also added in the "ones with out language" ...

Goethicus wrote:

And like Magda, I fail to see the humour in insulting other nationalities...but I will excuse it in SilkyJohnson if he finds 'Polak' jokes funny...

and I do love Polish jokes
they r funny

"Y do all Polish ppls last names end with ski?

...
because they cannot spell toboggan

hahahah
:)

[peter]

Goethicus wrote:

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?? What's that supposed to mean? Or did you mean to categorize all Germans as the same, e.g. Co Niemiec, to pies??

These germans that are putting these letters on auctions do they have any sense of ethics? And I didn't mean all germans. I meant the ones that are trying to profit from a tragedy, the warsaw uprising, which was completely ignored by the west until fall of communism or confused with the warsaw getto uprising.

[Magda]

Goethicus wrote:

And like Magda, I fail to see the humour in insulting other nationalities...but I will excuse it in SilkyJohnson if he finds 'Polak' jokes funny...

As a Canadian citizen I am against discrimination and injustice.There is nothing funny in my post.My great grandparents were really Germans.Perhaps my english looks like a mess,but I have full command of polish.So if we translate a word Germans into polish the result will be Niemcy.I'm proud of my great grandparents,that they were able to mange the life in spite of language difficulties.That's all.

[Goethicus]

Yes, I see your point: Magda, I didn't mean to imply that your post was meant to be funny. I respect Germans and Poles, but most of all, I respect people. And Peter, why do we even have to use the word 'German' at all when talking about a sensitive issue? It rings too many alarm bells, for all the wrong reasons: perhaps we can ask why there are people out there who would do this sort of thing at all. And SilkyJohnson, I apologize for taking your post the wrong way: it's great to see that you have a fine sense of humour and self-deprecation. Yes, it's the little commonplace things in life that give it its flavour.

[Magda]

SilkyJohnson wrote:

<quoted text>
cool
I wasn`t emplying that germans are dumb
if thats the way I came across,
thats y I also added in the "ones with out language" ...
<quoted text>
and I do love Polish jokes
they r funny
"Y do all Polish ppls last names end with ski?
...
because they cannot spell toboggan
hahahah
:)

Oh well,knowing French,English and having full command of Polish,I believe,I could be a second Mata Hari.Mostly of my personal look,nice smile and dancing abilities.I still remember Russian,a little German and some expressions in Latin.Of course I have no idea how to spell a word tobo...what.How could I spell it,if I don't know how to write it down.You don't have to answear this.Sincerly-Magda Pustelnik.

[Nina]

I feel that the discussion of the letters has been off topic for quite a while. My feeling is that these letters which were so precious to the Polish people and to the Warsaw Uprising Museum in particular should have somehow been a gift to the museum. The museum should not have had to do all that it did to get them. To me, that is the underlying heavy sadness in this story. (And I am sure the auction house tacked on its usual 20% premium as well.)

[make waves]

we could write a few letters if you polaks wish us to do so.

[Magda]

Nina wrote:

I feel that the discussion of the letters has been off topic for quite a while. My feeling is that these letters which were so precious to the Polish people and to the Warsaw Uprising Museum in particular should have somehow been a gift to the museum. The museum should not have had to do all that it did to get them. To me, that is the underlying heavy sadness in this story.(And I am sure the auction house tacked on its usual 20% premium as well.)

Yes,Nina I completly agree with you.As I said in my first post,that would be an excellent idea if the letters were donated to the Warsaw Uprising Museum.Reading the first 13 posts on this topic I share the emotions with you.There was a huge price paid for these letters,however it was worth it.I apologize for changing a subject of this topic.Sincerly-Magda Pustelnik.

[Magda]

Goethicus wrote:

Yes, I see your point: Magda, I didn't mean to imply that your post was meant to be funny. I respect Germans and Poles, but most of all, I respect people. And Peter, why do we even have to use the word 'German' at all when talking about a sensitive issue? It rings too many alarm bells, for all the wrong reasons: perhaps we can ask why there are people out there who would do this sort of thing at all. And SilkyJohnson, I apologize for taking your post the wrong way: it's great to see that you have a fine sense of humour and self-deprecation. Yes, it's the little commonplace things in life that give it its flavour.

I am the one who should apologize not you.I,m really sorry Rey for being such a pain in the neck.Your brother was right,you are valuable person.Sincerly-Magda.

[Goethicus]

Magda wrote:

<quoted text>I am the one who should apologize not you.I,m really sorry Rey for being such a pain in the neck.Your brother was right,you are valuable person.Sincerly-Magda.

Tsk, tsk and all this time I thought you were being sincere. I really don't know why you foolishly choose to view me as somebody named Rey, but you really should disabuse yourself of this notion...:) As they say,'Wer schlaeft, sundigt nicht!'

Die letzten Zehn vom vierten Regiment[17]
[...]
Ade, ihr Brüder, die zu Tod getroffen
An unsrer Seite dort wir stürzen sahn!
Wir leben noch, die Wunden stehen offen,
Und um die Heimat ewig ist´s getan!
Herrgott im Himmel, schenk ein gnädig End´
uns letzten noch vom vierten Regiment!

Von Polen her im Nebelgrauen rücken
Zehn Grenadiere in das Preußenland
Mit düstrem Schweigen, gramumwölkten Blicken.
Ein „Wer da?“ schallt – sie stehen festgebannt.–
Und einer spricht:„Vom Vaterland getrennt
Die letzten zehn vom vierten Regiment!

Tysi&#261;c walecznych [Pu&#322;k czwarty][18]
[...]
&#379;egnajcie bracia, których nam przy boku
Za &#347;wi&#281;t&#2 61; spraw&#281; wzi&#281;&#322;a &#347;mierci d&#322;o&#324;;
Wam lepsza dola pad&#322;a w dzia&#322; wyroku,
Nam chytra zdrada wzi&#281;&#322;a z r&#281;ki bro&#324;.
Jak biedny tu&#322;acz na kiju oparty,
W kraj obcy idzie na zawsze Pu&#322;k Czwarty.

Dziesi&#281;ciu m&#281;&#380;ów z ob&#322;&#261;kanym wzrokiem
Przychodzi chwiejno pod granicy s&#322;up,
Ciekawym zewsz&#261;d patrz&#261; na nich okiem,
Z nich ka&#380;dy idzie, jak bez &#380;ycia trup...
- Kto idzie?! Stójcie!- krzykn&#261; pruskie warty,
- My to dziesi&#281;ciu - ca&#322;y nasz Pu&#322;k Czwarty.

[Magda]

Goethicus wrote:

<quoted text>
Tsk, tsk and all this time I thought you were being sincere. I really don't know why you foolishly choose to view me as somebody named Rey, but you really should disabuse yourself of this notion...:) As they say,'Wer schlaeft, sundigt nicht!'
Die letzten Zehn vom vierten Regiment[17]
[...]
Ade, ihr Brüder, die zu Tod getroffen
An unsrer Seite dort wir stürzen sahn!
Wir leben noch, die Wunden stehen offen,
Und um die Heimat ewig ist´s getan!
Herrgott im Himmel, schenk ein gnädig End´
uns letzten noch vom vierten Regiment!
Von Polen her im Nebelgrauen rücken
Zehn Grenadiere in das Preußenland
Mit düstrem Schweigen, gramumwölkten Blicken.
Ein „Wer da?“ schallt – sie stehen festgebannt.–
Und einer spricht:„Vom Vaterland getrennt
Die letzten zehn vom vierten Regiment!
Tysi&#261;c walecznych [Pu&#322;k czwarty][18]
[...]
&#379;egnajcie bracia, których nam przy boku
Za &#347;wi&#281;t&#2 61; spraw&#281; wzi&#281;&#322;a &#347;mierci d&#322;o&#324;;
Wam lepsza dola pad&#322;a w dzia&#322; wyroku,
Nam chytra zdrada wzi&#281;&#322;a z r&#281;ki bro&#324;.
Jak biedny tu&#322;acz na kiju oparty,
W kraj obcy idzie na zawsze Pu&#322;k Czwarty.
Dziesi&#281;ciu m&#281;&#380;ów z ob&#322;&#261;kanym wzrokiem
Przychodzi chwiejno pod granicy s&#322;up,
Ciekawym zewsz&#261;d patrz&#261; na nich okiem,
Z nich ka&#380;dy idzie, jak bez &#380;ycia trup...
- Kto idzie?! Stójcie!- krzykn&#261; pruskie warty,
- My to dziesi&#281;ciu - ca&#322;y nasz Pu&#322;k Czwarty.

You know what,that poetry The last 10 of the 4th Regiment written by Julius Mosen,is a hit underneath the belly button.You insulted not only me,but all Polls,who were born in Poland,but they left their country.Please note it,that I'm not degenerated daughter or traitor of my fatherland.Note also that the 4th Regiment is going to return to Poland soon.I went on the topic The last veteran WW2...and someone said,that Goethicus is Rey.You didn't deny it.Never mind this.You don't have to write me back.

[Nina]

Koniec, the end.

[HealingTime]

"Their bravery is remembered as testament to Poland's long-held desire, even in the midst of battle, to function as a free state." [sic]

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Just read about the Warsaw Rising letter. What a fantastic story, and what a nice gesture by the auctioneer to do what he could for the Rising Museum.

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Sept. 1, 1944

To: Stanislaw Madej, Koszykowa

Marek. The home is OK. The building of our parents has burned down. We are in good health. And we are awaiting your return. Father.

A. Madej, Dobra 10