Letter left by death camp prisoners found at Auschwitz

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The note, written in pencil then rolled up and inserted in a bottle, contains the names of seven young people who probably thought they were doomed to die in the notorious Auschwitz death camp.

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So,**** wasn't jewish? Marx wasn't jewish?
Timothy McVeigh was born into an Irish Catholic family. Do you think that means the Kennedys were involved with the Oklahoma City bombing?
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<quoted text>BTW, I think Bill Krystal would be greatly amused that someone thinks he has a political viewpoint that evolved from Trotsky.
Bill is an asshole, and his father Irving was an arch communist who moved from the Soviet Union to the States as one of the founding fathers of the Neocons. You picked the wrong example Slug.

"The Trotskyist pedigree of neoconservatism is no secret; the original neocon, Irving Kristol, acknowledges it with relish: "I regard myself to have been a young Trostkyite and I have not a single bitter memory." Nor is there any doubt about the influence – one might almost say hegemony – of "former Communists" on the post-war conservative movement. Just read the words of one neocon, Seymour Martin Lipset:...."

Read this last 4 or 5 paragraphs of this short piece Slug and then perhaps you will agree with my point of view.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/dmccarthy/dmccarth...
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<quoted text>Tell that to Hitler. He didn't see it that way.
The Bolshevik provided Stalin and Hitler a model for agitation and world domination. Why do you think the Nazi party was called National Socialism if not to provide and alternative to the German Communists who were agitating in the 1920s and 1930s?
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Timothy McVeigh was born into an Irish Catholic family. Do you think that means the Kennedys were involved with the Oklahoma City bombing?
Nonsensical. Jewish Bolsheviks numbered in the thousands and were in the majority of a large public movement. Young Mr McVeigh numbered one and the Oklahoma incident was an isolated example. Your post is 1/2 inch away from being pure spam. Smoke and mirrors of the cheapest kind.
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The horrors of the Holocaust do NOT justify the mistreatment of the Palestinians at the hands of Israelis today.

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i thought the topic was about jews in auschwitz, wasn´t it ?

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Bill is an ****, and his father Irving was an arch communist who moved from the Soviet Union to the States as one of the founding fathers of the Neocons. You picked the wrong example Slug.
"The Trotskyist pedigree of neoconservatism is no secret; the original neocon, Irving Kristol, acknowledges it with relish: "I regard myself to have been a young Trostkyite and I have not a single bitter memory." Nor is there any doubt about the influence – one might almost say hegemony – of "former Communists" on the post-war conservative movement. Just read the words of one neocon, Seymour Martin Lipset:...."
Read this last 4 or 5 paragraphs of this short piece Slug and then perhaps you will agree with my point of view.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/dmccarthy/dmccarth...
I guess I kind of blindly walked into that one.
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<quoted text>I guess I kind of blindly walked into that one.
Most people do Slug, most of 'em do. That is the power of the neocon propaganda fired at the public over and over again. The facts are all out there. People just need to dig them out and think for themselves.

Communists = Nazis = Neocons

The methods remain the same albeit are refined as time goes on. What's todays cause? Power to the masses? Racial purity? Human rights? All bullshit to blind the sheep. It's all about One World Government and centralized control of the people. May be the Politburo, may be the Reichstag it may even be Rupert Murdoch's media empire. Who knows. Who gives a fck?
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Let's see. Jan 41 to Jan 45. Four years. Call it 1200 days. If AT LEAST 1.1 million died that means about 1,000 were killed a day.
Where are all the bodies? Where are all the ashes

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Most people do Slug, most of 'em do. That is the power of the neocon propaganda fired at the public over and over again. The facts are all out there. People just need to dig them out and think for themselves.
Communists = Nazis = Neocons
The methods remain the same albeit are refined as time goes on. What's todays cause? Power to the masses? Racial purity? Human rights? All **** to blind the sheep. It's all about One World Government and centralized control of the people. May be the Politburo, may be the Reichstag it may even be Rupert Murdoch's media empire. Who knows. Who gives a fck?
If you had left well enough alone, you could have come out on top. But, you spaced out and wrote a bunch of conspiracy crap where you are so confused you don't know what you think. It's like most people who are fighting political philosophy on the extreme, they end up saying everything is all equal.

I had to go look at a book I have that I read a couple of years ago - neoconservatism: why we need it by Douglas Murray. His basic position is that everyone by definition has certain natural rights. Governments exist to protect those rights and minimal other functions.

Kristol wrote in 2003 about neo-conservatism, and taken from the book p.46: "...three basic notions: that patriotism is a good and natural thing, that world government is to be rejected because of the likelihood of it leading to tyranny; and leaders should distinguish clearly between friends and enemies."
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<quoted text>If you had left well enough alone, you could have come out on top. But, you spaced out and wrote a bunch of conspiracy crap where you are so confused you don't know what you think. It's like most people who are fighting political philosophy on the extreme, they end up saying everything is all equal.
I had to go look at a book I have that I read a couple of years ago - neoconservatism: why we need it by Douglas Murray. His basic position is that everyone by definition has certain natural rights. Governments exist to protect those rights and minimal other functions.
Kristol wrote in 2003 about neo-conservatism, and taken from the book p.46: "...three basic notions: that patriotism is a good and natural thing, that world government is to be rejected because of the likelihood of it leading to tyranny; and leaders should distinguish clearly between friends and enemies."
I'm not trying to come out on top of anything. Fact is that when I wrote that very lazy response I was dog tired and would have done better to keep away from here.

A more sensible way of expressing that idea is to suggest that in any system which encourages big government especially to build up a strong international position whether it be by physical war or economic war is bound to lead to tyranny as unscrupulous and motivated people dominate .... as was the case with Stalin, Hitler and dare I say AIPAC in our respective examples.

New systems don't come and go as they please because people are not good at thinking out of the box. So the common origin of Trotskyism, Nazism and Neoconservatism are clear enough to see. The fact that the Neocons are competing and intermingling with traditional conservatives leads to intermarriage and toning down of ideas for public consumption. Perhaps that is the origin of those quotes of yours.

At the end of the day America's $11 Trillion debt is largely as a result of a Totalitarian mentality. Conspiracy Theories suggest a master mind. It's doesn't work like that, as all systems and ideas, be they good or otherwise tend to grow organically and have growth spurts when the opportunity presents itself. The greatest difference in our age is the power of the media with its ability to influence the voter, making a mockery of democracy. In the wrong climate, our democracy could be as bad as the so called democracy under the Soviets.

I have no doubt that there are people waiting in the wings to make the most of Neocon ideas and Neocon people in positions of influence. The end effects could be as horrific as Vorkuta or Belsen. How many lives were destroyed while Bush's neocons were in power, how many people were economically destroyed? That was just within the confides of a mildly corrupted but still mildly democratic system. Throw in another few Patriot Acts and what sort of a system will you get? Especially when the masses are clamouring for safety from all sorts of horrors set into motion by the secret security services.

All systems tend towards ratshit. Just ask the Romans who had a fantastic few centuries before the rot set in.
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i thought the topic was about jews in auschwitz, wasn´t it ?
You thought wrong. That's because you are a stupid SLOWWWvak.

A SLOWWWvak brain is vacant of any thoughts unless they are SLOWbrained SLOWWWvak "thoughts".

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New systems don't come and go as they please because people are not good at thinking out of the box. <quoted text>Don't tell that to Joseph Schumpeter. His idea of economic development hinges on that. BTW, his ideas about how economies work to create wealth have been proven more true than proponents' accounting of collectivist economic systems.

<quoted text>So the common origin of Trotskyism, Nazism and Neoconservatism are clear enough to see. The fact that the Neocons are competing and intermingling with traditional conservatives leads to intermarriage and toning down of ideas for public consumption. Perhaps that is the origin of those quotes of yours. <quoted text>

The quotes are directly opposite of your stated position on internationalism. I don't see how those remarks by Kristol would help make him an internationalist in the Communist/Nazi sense as they say how internationalism should be applied.

<quoted text>The greatest difference in our age is the power of the media with its ability to influence the voter, making a mockery of democracy. <quoted text>

The power of the media has become more diffused and declining. Paper and magazine readership declining. More variety in news reporting for television viewership. Greater diversity on the Internet. The control of the message is declining.


<quoted text> How many lives were destroyed while Bush's neocons were in power, how many people were economically destroyed? That was just within the confides of a mildly corrupted but still mildly democratic system. <quoted text>

Avoided a recession. World growth that resulted in high commodity prices from pressure from increased consumption. A higher percentage of the world population above the poverty level than ever before. The bar has been raised. The recent declines are in the short term. If the policy makers continue to embrace the Schumpeter input to economic thinking, or at least not embrace others' thoughts that would exclude the capacity for innovation and credit, the world's wealth will expand and a larger part of that wealth will be in the hands of a larger percentage of that population that ever before.

<quoted text>All systems tend towards ratshit. <quoted text>

Sorry - see Robert Nozick's account of anarchy in Anarchy, State and Utopia.
I tried to plug my responses into your post. I don't know how this is going to come out. I used to write HTML to make my own site (long gone) years ago and I forget a lot of basic stuff.

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how come that otto von kokot writes so much dribble around here ?
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I tried to plug my responses into your post. I don't know how this is going to come out. I used to write HTML to make my own site (long gone) years ago and I forget a lot of basic stuff.
I know it's a bitch!

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<quoted text>" at the beginning, and the "
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Anyways run outta time but will get back later.
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You thought wrong. That's because you are a stupid SLOWWWvak.
A SLOWWWvak brain is vacant of any thoughts unless they are SLOWbrained SLOWWWvak "thoughts".
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Never forget about the Danzig corridor? I bet 95% of the fat americans do not even know what that was.
Besides not all victims in the camps were good people. Franz and Erich Sass were both bank robbers and they were killed in Sachsenhausen.
hahahah polaks and jews hide that very well
What a way to gain favor by name calling without having any basis behind it. Yes, I know what the Danzig Corridor is....not be polite or we will invade your worthless little country next!
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I tried to plug my responses into your post. I don't know how this is going to come out. I used to write HTML to make my own site (long gone) years ago and I forget a lot of basic stuff.
After that failed attempt at passing on my voluminous knowledge on the internet, lets get back to the politics which is only marginally better :)

Regardless of economic theory, the number of political systems is rather limited. At the end of the analysis the powerful trample on the weak, and that will continue to be the case until we achieve some form of enlightenment. Depite all sorts of progress, most people especially politicians are still at the level of bush apes ..imho :) SOme are even worse.

A couple of quotes don't disprove the internationalist nature of the neocons. I would suggest that the adventures of the 2 Bushes prove far more together with the various wars by proxy starting with Reagan.

As for Nozick and the media .... I had a quick look at his ideas and the interesting one was that the distibution of goods is just if brought about by a free market and from a just basis. He went on to conclude that even slavery can be justified under these conditions ... to quote "The comparable question about an individual is whether a free system will allow him to sell himself into slavery. I believe that it would"

Not sure if this is what you're driving at as a counter to all systems turning to ratshit. If so I'd say slavery would be about as good a definition of systemic ratshit as it's possible to get.

Then to media - sure there is more diversity, but where it counts in indoctrinating the voters (the large mass of voters) then still the TV is king and that is massively under the control of the neocons leading to brianwashing and dumbing down of the electorate.

Going back to Nozick, it is in fact the bias of the media which determines that the political market as well as the market for goods is not at all free; freedom being a prerequisite to having a just system.

In a short sentence, the neocons are driving the public into a system of slavery. Their objective is identical to their Bolshevik forebears, and their close National SOcialist cousins.

The secret lessons of Auschwitz are this: either you enslave or become enslaved yourself. A privative conclusion by uncivilized people, despite the grandeur of their claims.

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