Over 300 questioned in Polish probe of president's plane crash

Sep 12, 2010 Full story: RIA Novosti 28

Polish military prosecutors have questioned more than 300 witnesses during their investigation into the April plane crash in western Russia that killed Poland's president, the country's attorney general said on Sunday.

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#1 Sep 12, 2010
Perhaps, another waste of time.
Have they read those documents well ?
It says, do not land here, we have no facilities for your landing here in this weather !
Bang and Polaks were breaking on top of birch trees.
AbeUG

Putnam Valley, NY

#2 Sep 12, 2010
Pesky army wrote:
Perhaps, another waste of time.
Have they read those documents well ?
It says, do not land here, we have no facilities for your landing here in this weather !
Bang and Polaks were breaking on top of birch trees.
So that's why the Russians gave them permission to land in the first place.

The Russians won't give back the black boxes to Poland because they don't want people to know what the really said to the plane crew and how they gave permission to the Polish plane to land.
Jacko ITH

Estell Manor, NJ

#3 Sep 12, 2010
Russians are never truthful. They would never reveal the truth in this matter. It would be a basis for a large, international war against them. Putin personally probably gave the order to the aircraft tower.
Live Free or Die

Vergennes, VT

#4 Sep 12, 2010
But have they questioned Abe?
AbeUG

Vergennes, VT

#5 Sep 12, 2010
I've uncovered five new theories of the Polish plane crash.

1) The plane was destroyed by controlled demolitions.

2) No plane hit the trees in Smolensk. Instead, it was a missile fired by elements "from inside the Russian state apparatus."

3) The plane that hit the trees was remotely controlled.

4) Insider trading in the stocks of Boeing and Airbus just before the crash is evidence of advance knowledge of the plot.

5) Four thousand Jews failed to show up for work at the Smolensk Airport on the day of the crash.
Live Free or Die

Vergennes, VT

#6 Sep 12, 2010
AbeUG wrote:
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So that's why the Russians gave them permission to land in the first place.
The Russians won't give back the black boxes to Poland because they don't want people to know what the really said to the plane crew and how they gave permission to the Polish plane to land.
The deleted black box control tower orders read "clear to land, visibility three kilometers, wind speed 5 knots SSW - that fog you see is just from heavy breathing on your glasses. It'll clear momentarily. Proceed to runway nine niner"
mika brzezinski UG

Redmond, WA

#7 Sep 12, 2010
AbeUG wrote:
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So that's why the Russians gave them permission to land in the first place.
The Russians won't give back the black boxes to Poland because they don't want people to know what the really said to the plane crew and how they gave permission to the Polish plane to land.
Is there no limits to your paranoia? It is rather pathetic to see someone so thick they will buy into any old conspiracy theory. AbeUG here puts the lunatic in the term "lunatic fringe".
Russian Investigator

Putnam Valley, NY

#8 Sep 12, 2010
mika brzezinski UG wrote:
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Is there no limits to your paranoia? It is rather pathetic to see someone so thick they will buy into any old conspiracy theory. AbeUG here puts the lunatic in the term "lunatic fringe".
Is there no limits to your paranoia?

Everyone knows we set up the situation nicely for the plane to crash.

Why do you think us Russian aren't giving back the black boxes?

Because it contains discussions where the Russian airtower told the Polish crew it was OK to land and then gave them the wrong landing coordinates.

Now you don't believe that big lie us Russians told over and over and over about the plane crash being ALL the pilot's fault do you?

Its just like when us Russians repeated over and over and over againt that the Katyn Massacre was done by the Germans and not us Russians. Did you know most of the world believed that for many years??? Oh boy telling BIG LIES are fun fun fun.
Chloe

Estell Manor, NJ

#9 Sep 12, 2010
Uther, you stoke broken old neo-nazi bastard, get away from the frigging computer. You worthless pile of crap. I will be glad when I can put you in the ground, you pain in the arse.
Live Free or Die

Vergennes, VT

#10 Sep 12, 2010
Wow, that's interesting, Abe.

It was OK to land in thick fog when they couldn't see the runway?

I didn't know the Poles trusted Russian flight controllers more than their own Polish pilots that had landed there earlier that morning and told them 'don't land!'?

Thank God you're not that naive. LOL

PS: Any more thoughts on why 4000 Jews didn't show up for work at Smolensk airport that morning? ;-)
mika brzenski UG

Estell Manor, NJ

#11 Sep 12, 2010
Russian Investigator wrote:
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Is there no limits to your paranoia?
Everyone knows we set up the situation nicely for the plane to crash.
Why do you think us Russian aren't giving back the black boxes?
Because it contains discussions where the Russian airtower told the Polish crew it was OK to land and then gave them the wrong landing coordinates.
Now you don't believe that big lie us Russians told over and over and over about the plane crash being ALL the pilot's fault do you?
Its just like when us Russians repeated over and over and over againt that the Katyn Massacre was done by the Germans and not us Russians. Did you know most of the world believed that for many years??? Oh boy telling BIG LIES are fun fun fun.
Listen, I need a lawyer. The Russians had it planned, no question.
But, my wife Chloe is planning to have me killed because I am worthless to her since I had my stroke. She keeps saying she is in the control tower of our family, and she is bringing me down in a puff of smoke. She says she will break me down more than I am now. God! I am already a broken- down neo-nazi fool. I am helpless and worthless. And I am only 55 years old.
Live Free or Die

Vergennes, VT

#12 Sep 12, 2010
PS: One item remains a mystery still.

Was the 'all clear to land' tower instruction given before or after Luzhkov fired up his smog machine? This could be quite critical in establishing the chain of events.
Live Free or Die

Vergennes, VT

#13 Sep 12, 2010
But yet another thing still bothers me about your recent revelations. Maybe you could elaborate.

If the boy who saw the markings on the plane from right below it prove that there was really no fog, then why couldn't the pilot see the runway and the trees in front of it when the tower gave him the coordinates to land in the forest?

Seems a bit odd.
AbeUG

Putnam Valley, NY

#14 Sep 12, 2010
Live Free or Die wrote:
Wow, that's interesting, Abe.
It was OK to land in thick fog when they couldn't see the runway?
I didn't know the Poles trusted Russian flight controllers more than their own Polish pilots that had landed there earlier that morning and told them 'don't land!'?
Thank God you're not that naive. LOL
PS: Any more thoughts on why 4000 Jews didn't show up for work at Smolensk airport that morning? ;-)
What Polish pilots told them not to land?

They told them it was cloudy weather.

Do you mean the same Polish pilots that don't trust the Russian transcripts of what the Russians say was on the black boxes?
mika brzenski UG

Estell Manor, NJ

#15 Sep 12, 2010
Live Free or Die wrote:
PS: One item remains a mystery still.
I agree the Russians gave the 'all clear to land' tower instruction given before Luzhkov landed. Putin ordered up his smog machines. This could be quite critical in establishing the chain of events.
Agreed!!
AbeUG

Putnam Valley, NY

#16 Sep 12, 2010
Live Free or Die wrote:
PS: One item remains a mystery still.
Was the 'all clear to land' tower instruction given before or after Luzhkov fired up his smog machine? This could be quite critical in establishing the chain of events.
That's a good question.

Everyone knows Russians are masters of deception because of their paranoia of thinking that "everyone is out to get them"

Russia has lots of huge Fog making machines. They were used to fight those fires according to Russian reports.

Fake military tanks, planes, equipment is another popular thing in Russia.

Not to mention all the past organizations in Russia like the NKVD, KGB, FSB you name it, that were fanatical at deception and lies.

The Russian investigators of the plane crash were admitted former Soviet authorities. Now we all know you can trust these types of guys with anything LOL
Live Free or Die

Vergennes, VT

#17 Sep 12, 2010
AbeUG wrote:
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What Polish pilots told them not to land?
Oh, you're absolutely right. Mea culpa.

The transcript also shows that the pilots were communicating with the crew of a plane carrying Polish journalists that landed at the airport earlier that morning. They mainly discussed the thick fog, with the crew that landed earlier saying that that situation has worsened, but also saying the plane carrying the president could try to land.

(The Polish crew obviously had guns to their heads to utter such nonsense. Weren't their bodies discovered later being smuggled out of Russia in oil drums?).
Live Free or Die

Vergennes, VT

#18 Sep 12, 2010
AbeUG wrote:
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That's a good question.
Everyone knows Russians are masters of deception because of their paranoia of thinking that "everyone is out to get them"
I would've thought that this would make you both sort of 'blood brothers' then. What happened to break the bond? LOL
AbeUG

Putnam Valley, NY

#19 Sep 12, 2010
Live Free or Die wrote:
But yet another thing still bothers me about your recent revelations. Maybe you could elaborate.
If the boy who saw the markings on the plane from right below it prove that there was really no fog, then why couldn't the pilot see the runway and the trees in front of it when the tower gave him the coordinates to land in the forest?
Seems a bit odd.
I NEVER said the Russian kids were right below the airplane when they saw it. You did.

The landing coordinates were probably right at the edge of the airport and like only slightly off the real landing coordinate, but just enough to have the plane land where it shouldn't. The pilot had no reason to doubt the coordinates. I mean after all he communicated with the tower before and landed at that airport before with no problem.

The coordinates were such where from the distance it would look like he could make it. But by the time he was getting to the landing coordinate location given him, it was too late to react.
Live Free or Die

Vergennes, VT

#20 Sep 12, 2010
Abey poo, your mind is racing a mile a minute but it ran out of fuel a long time back.

Watch out for the trees when coming down.

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