Lech and Jaroslaw Kaczynski

Jun 24, 2007 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Times Online

“This created a second level of resentment”

PROFILE: Lech and Jaroslaw Kaczynski Half a century after the European Union was created to forgive and forget the Last Great Misunderstanding, the identical twins who are Poland's president and prime minister ... via Times Online

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#1
Jun 25, 2007
 
Both men + Kwaśniewski caused by their politics that it is shame to be Pole.
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Jun 25, 2007
 
It's never a shame. No matter who's in charge.
Enough said.
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#3
Jun 25, 2007
 
They surely damaged the image of Poland and the Poles.

But one who had Tony Blair as prime minister for 10 years must sympathise with the Poles!!
Adam

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#4
Jun 25, 2007
 
As usual stereotypical and full of lies.
Mistakes or lies in the article:
-Kaczynski’s daughter did not run off with a son of a prominent post-communist. She met him after her divorce. Kaczynski was at the wedding. Kaczynski accepting into his family a son of a prominent post-communist does not fit the author’s line. Kaczynski would appear too liberal, so the author comes up with a story of his daughter running off with that son of a post-communist.
-“Lustracja”, translating the word into English as “ritual purification”(from Latin) or “cleansing” has become an old trick used by the enemies of Kaczynskis. In fact, this word,“lustracja”, is a borrowing from Latin into Polish. But words often change their meaning when borrowed. It is also possible that even in Latin this word had also some other meanings. In Polish “lustracja” simply means a “review”, or “taking stock”. Kings often conducted a “lustracja” of their property. But it is convenient to say that Kaczynski is conducting a purge, that way one can make out of him a Stalin or at least senator McCarthy.
-even Kaczynki mother has a “dark side” in this article, very funny, but Goebbelsian at the same time
-that communists were left after 1989 because of their “managerial expertise” is a very funny and untrue way of explaining what happened at the Round Table Talks
- I never heard Kaczynski even mentioning the word “condom” let alone him fighting “condoms”
- the whole argument that Kaczynski will go away because Poles are supposedly learning liberalism in the west is not worth a penny. First, it is an insult to Poles because they maybe more liberal then some of those societies. Second, because it is poorly grounded in facts. Poles have migrated in much larger numbers over last 20-30 years and they elected Kaczynski.
There is more false information here, but ... oh well, this is today’s journalism serving its Master. And the Kaczynskis cut the funding and thievery of many crooks so we should be not surprised that crooks are having their revenge.
Robert Filakowski

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#6
Jul 10, 2007
 
Listen:
You are a moron. Did you not know that Kaczynski presided over the ceremonies of the opening of the Polish/Jewish museum in Warsaw?
Did you not know that he personally invited the Chief Rabbi of Poland to apologize after he was attacked on the streets of Warsaw?
Did you not know that Kaczynski also called Father Rydzyk's comments about Jewish compensation claims "scandalous"?
You are a complete idiot and a moron
CIN-CHU wrote:
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WE HAVE THE BEST PRESIDENT.
NOT LIKE THE LAST ONE " JEW KWASNIEWSKI "
NO MORE JEWS IN POLISH POLITICS.
"PLEASE CLOUSE JEW MEDIA "
THE IS NOT PLACE FOR SATANIC PROPAGANDA.
" GET JEWS OUT OF EUROPE "
IT IS THE ONLY WAY TO ACHIEVE A PEACE ...
festron

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#7
Sep 8, 2007
 
This Robert Filakowski must be a jew or zionist.
Marek ze Szwecji

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Oct 17, 2007
 
Panowie Kaczynscy!

Od 27 lat mieszkam za granica ale nadal los Polski Polski nie jest mi obcy. Od prawie 2 lat musze sie wstydzic za polski rzad i probowac wyjasniac Szwedom co takiego i dlaczego dzieje sie w Polsce. Tego co i dlaczego robicie nie da sie w sposob logiczny wyjasnic – przynajmniej ja nie potrafie.

Mam nadzieje ze w nieslawie i hanbie, gorszej niz niz ta ktora spotkala SLD, za tydzien skonczycie swoje rzady. Takiej demagogii, beszczelnosci i agresji nie bylo w Polsce nawet za Gomulki.

Pan Jaroslaw jest z pewnoscia „chory” na wladze a przede wszystkim uwielbia obrazac i uwlaczac ludziom ktorzy sie z nim nie zgadzaja. Ciekaw jestem jaki kociokwik beda mieli Pana „towarzysze partyjni” gdy ten caly cyrk – mam nadzieje – sie skonczy a Pan zostanie pozbawiony wladzy.

Najlepiej byloby gdyby szeregowi czlonkowie PiS-u jednak rozliczyli Pana za jego dzialania a przede wszystkim za sposob uprawiania „polityki”.
Nie mam jednak zludzen ze ktokolwiek z „pretorian” porwie sie na takie rozliczanie. W PiS-ie, ktora jest w calym tego slowa znaczeniu partia „wodzowska”, cos takiego przeciez zdarzyc sie nie moze!– w imie hasla „kto nie z nami ten przeciwko nam”.

Ludzie opamietajcie sie – zdrowi na umysle ludzie nie moga sie zachowywac w tak agresywny sposob. Tak zachowuja sie ludzie niewielkiego serca i umyslu.
Mam nadzieje ze Polacy w miare szybko o Was zapomna ale nie zapomna tej paranoi ktora zafundowaliscie panstwu i spoleczenstwu.

Na zawsze zniknijcie z zycia publicznego.

Aby to przyspieszyc cala nasza rodzina idziemy w najblizsza niedziele glosowac – moze na rozne partie ale w jednym jestesmy zgodni – PiS musi przepasc.

Uklony,

Marek ze Szwecji
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Oct 17, 2007
 
Marek ze Szwecji wrote:
Panowie Kaczynscy!
Od 27 lat mieszkam za granica ale nadal los Polski Polski nie jest mi obcy. Od prawie 2 lat musze sie wstydzic za polski rzad i probowac wyjasniac Szwedom co takiego i dlaczego dzieje sie w Polsce. Tego co i dlaczego robicie nie da sie w sposob logiczny wyjasnic – przynajmniej ja nie potrafie.
Mam nadzieje ze w nieslawie i hanbie, gorszej niz niz ta ktora spotkala SLD, za tydzien skonczycie swoje rzady. Takiej demagogii, beszczelnosci i agresji nie bylo w Polsce nawet za Gomulki.
Pan Jaroslaw jest z pewnoscia „chory” na wladze a przede wszystkim uwielbia obrazac i uwlaczac ludziom ktorzy sie z nim nie zgadzaja. Ciekaw jestem jaki kociokwik beda mieli Pana „towarzysze partyjni” gdy ten caly cyrk – mam nadzieje – sie skonczy a Pan zostanie pozbawiony wladzy.
Najlepiej byloby gdyby szeregowi czlonkowie PiS-u jednak rozliczyli Pana za jego dzialania a przede wszystkim za sposob uprawiania „polityki”.
Nie mam jednak zludzen ze ktokolwiek z „pretorian” porwie sie na takie rozliczanie. W PiS-ie, ktora jest w calym tego slowa znaczeniu partia „wodzowska”, cos takiego przeciez zdarzyc sie nie moze!– w imie hasla „kto nie z nami ten przeciwko nam”.
Ludzie opamietajcie sie – zdrowi na umysle ludzie nie moga sie zachowywac w tak agresywny sposob. Tak zachowuja sie ludzie niewielkiego serca i umyslu.
Mam nadzieje ze Polacy w miare szybko o Was zapomna ale nie zapomna tej paranoi ktora zafundowaliscie panstwu i spoleczenstwu.
Na zawsze zniknijcie z zycia publicznego.
Aby to przyspieszyc cala nasza rodzina idziemy w najblizsza niedziele glosowac – moze na rozne partie ale w jednym jestesmy zgodni – PiS musi przepasc.
Uklony,
Marek ze Szwecji
Well done, a little late wrt the Times article, but in time for the elections in Poland. I wonder if the Kaczynski brothers read these blogs and if you ever get a response to your letter. Anyway, I do agree, their style is too aggressive, too narrow minded and too full of itself - and they must go.
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Oct 17, 2007
 
HealingTime wrote:
Anyway, I do agree, their style is too aggressive, too narrow minded and too full of itself - and they must go.
Yes, Kaczynskis will most probably go. And I personally will not miss them :)

But that's not the big news here. The big news is that 'Marek ze Szwecji', out of Poland since 1980, did not have to 'explain to Swedes' and generally did not fill so mentally mutilated by Polish governments and situation in Poland in the years 1981-1989, while communists were holding power. The poor guy is so moved only now, when we have Solidarity-rooted, democratic, normal governement .... THAT'S the big news here for me

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Oct 17, 2007
 
Pole from Warsaw wrote:
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Yes, Kaczynskis will most probably go. And I personally will not miss them :)
And do you think you speak for every Pole here?
Globalica

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Oct 18, 2007
 
Robespierre wrote:
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And do you think you speak for every Pole here?
Oh Robbie, you was not concentrated enough when you wrote that, you can do much better if you try :) If I have had used your style, I'd have written 'Poles will not miss him'
Please find another way to bite the hand that is intellectually feeding you! And remain calm, such phase of inner protest in you is quite normal and transient. Cheer up!:----)

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Oct 18, 2007
 
Pole from Warsaw wrote:
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Please find another way to bite the hand that is intellectually feeding you!
And who may that be?
Karol

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Feb 25, 2008
 
Both Kaczy&#324;ski' brothers and their liberalian fellows: Tusk, Sikorski are people, who have no dignity, no honour, no respect for human life, no respect for Poland and Poles. They are very stupid proamerican chieftains, who ridicule Poles and Poland, who for a few dolars to own pockets would give the whole country to USA. They are responsible for destroying of Iraq, destroying of Afghanistan, they are responsible for all war crimes commited by Polish soldiers there so it is very clear that they are war criminals and should have own end in jail. They want to sell own country to US occupants - it is the only purpose of antimissile shield in Poland and make Poland dependent on foreign, hostile army. They make it only for money, which flow for their american lords to to their private pockets. We are nation, which caused collapse of USSR. It seems that it is time for USA at last ( USA is country tousend times worse as USSR )
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Feb 26, 2008
 
Karol wrote:
Both Kaczy&#324;ski' brothers and their liberalian fellows: Tusk, Sikorski are people, who have no dignity, no honour, no respect for human life, no respect for Poland and Poles. They are very stupid proamerican chieftains, who ridicule Poles and Poland, who for a few dolars to own pockets would give the whole country to USA. They are responsible for destroying of Iraq, destroying of Afghanistan, they are responsible for all war crimes commited by Polish soldiers there so it is very clear that they are war criminals and should have own end in jail. They want to sell own country to US occupants - it is the only purpose of antimissile shield in Poland and make Poland dependent on foreign, hostile army. They make it only for money, which flow for their american lords to to their private pockets. We are nation, which caused collapse of USSR. It seems that it is time for USA at last ( USA is country tousend times worse as USSR )
Thank you, Karol.
I fought hard on these pages to help my countrymen to get rid of the Kaczynski ‘nonsense,’ by all means available (including mockery and foul language) and even by standing up on my head ; to put the end to the rule of the Catholic fundamentalist extreme in my country, which was working as a contrary extreme to Soviet-type communist extreme…
And I was beaten hard by some of my country fellows on this Forum for that…

Right. My Polish brothers and Sisters successfully abolished the Kaczynski’ tyranny and elected Mr Tusk and his party to rule the state with respect to the principles of ‘democracy.’ It was well-done, with a certain degree of accuracy, for Mr Tusk’s aim was to provide a good balance between the extremes and keeping away himself, as far as possible, from all of the most harmful issues which could have affected Poland and her people, seriously. He could have managed to avert a lot of rouble from Poland’s neighbours ; he had even promised to withdraw Polish troops from Iraq in a reasonable way and in a reasonable time… He also proved to be a very good politician and a very reasonable person in the high office - the whole Poland took her breath in full, at last!
Now, when reading from what you have written, as above, I begin to develop the impression that Mr Tusk seems to appear as a Polish variety of Tony Blair-type Prime Minister.
Is that true? If so, in which sense? And, in general, WHAT IS GOING ON, then?!

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#16
Feb 27, 2008
 
Well Mr Rey, I think I must have taken over from you on my stand against the Kaczynski Boys, and for exactly the same reasons. I then supported Tusk for the very same reasons you have given, and these were echoed by the majority of Poles who voted in the elections.

And now, like you I have a few questions regarding those areas where a lack of transparency meets with national security. There is a definite influence throughout Europe, which I find worrisome.

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Feb 27, 2008
 
HealingTime wrote:
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Well done, a little late wrt the Times article, but in time for the elections in Poland. I wonder if the Kaczynski brothers read these blogs and if you ever get a response to your letter. Anyway, I do agree, their style is too aggressive, too narrow minded and too full of itself - and they must go.
Who the hell is this unregistered HealingTime? No doubt some embryonic fascist agitator wanting to disrupt order in the world!

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