Why I care so much for the Poles.

There are 83 comments on the South Florida Sun-Sentinel story from Apr 29, 2009, titled Why I care so much for the Poles.. In it, South Florida Sun-Sentinel reports that:

Gitele Nadolny was the most beautiful girl in the Polish town of Jedwabne. Many young men, both Jews and Gentiles, attempted to court her, but Gitele rejected all suitors, waiting for her father to arrange for her a traditional Jewish marriage.

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Wojciech

Bialystok, Poland

#1 Apr 30, 2009
I was browsing through the Internet and I have stumbled upon Your testimony.
Of course there were and are some bad Poles and good ones. Nothing new there.
I agree with You when You are writing about our history - our Yours and mine - history of Poland which includes the Jews as an important part of it. No one can deny that!
According to the Yad Vashem Institute, the Poles are the largest national group whic members have bben awarded with the Righteous Among the Nations title, including Irena Sandler.
Thank You.

“Safe pair of hands”

Since: Nov 08

where the trouble is

#2 Apr 30, 2009
have you ever heard of http://www.auschwitz.org.pl/ ?
Marty

Pembroke, NC

#3 Apr 30, 2009
This is disgusting as well as wrong. Most, not some, poles were and remain genocidal anti-semites. The catholic cult devoted a millenium to teaching hatred of Jews (only islam can compete with that record). For every pole who helped Jews there were a hundred who enthusiastically assisted the germans to eradicate the Jewish community in poland. It's silly to pretend otherwise.

“E Pluribus Unum”

Since: Apr 09

Broward County

#4 Apr 30, 2009
Polish women are hot. We should allow them entry to the US long before any Africans or Hispanics, that is for sure.

They also are hard workers. Unlike the other groups every one seems to love.

“Safe pair of hands”

Since: Nov 08

where the trouble is

#5 Apr 30, 2009
yes, everyone loves a polak, as long as he keeps his mouth shut ?
Wojciech

Bialystok, Poland

#6 Apr 30, 2009
Marty - You are the one who writes about "genocidal anti-semites" and "teaching hatred". I can sense the same feelings in Your writings.
Please, asked those saved by the Poles, the Catholics what do they think and feel what they have witnessed - like Mrs Rachel Patron.

I just want You to learn some history - whatever it was tragic and heroic - the Jewish-Polish history. It is not about pretending. It's all about the truth - the whole truth. And I do not deny the fact that there were pogroms in Polish history.

Why have I found that story interesting? It is not a "typical" point of view on the Poles/Poland expressed by a Jew in international mass media. In most of the cases the Poles are being described the same way You have done it in Your post - one-sided.

To hate others is easier then to understand.

PS I'm just wondering whether Mrs Patron is reading the comments?
Czarna

Gdynia, Poland

#7 Apr 30, 2009
Marty wrote:
This is disgusting as well as wrong. Most, not some, poles were and remain genocidal anti-semites.
Disgusting and wrong is what you are writing. You are just a liar and just another history falsifier.
Marty wrote:
For every pole who helped Jews there were a hundred who enthusiastically assisted the germans to eradicate the Jewish community in poland
Bulshit!!! Hans G. Furth holds that the number of Poles who helped Jews is greatly underestimated and there might have been as many as 1 200 000 Polish rescuers. SO, ACCORDING TO YOU MORON - there were 120 000 000 Poles who enthusiastically assisted the germans!

Another estimation - How many people in Poland rescued Jews? Of those that meet Yad Vashem's criteria - perhaps 100 000. Of those that offered minor forms of help - perhaps two or three times as many. Of those who were passively protective - undoubtedly the majority of the population.- Gunnar S. Paulsson

Poles collaborating with the Nazis were few - estimates speak of several thousand. The Polish Secret State considered szmalcownictwo for example, as an act of collaboration with the German occupiers. Armia Krajowa punished it with the death sentence as a criminal act of treason.

Traitors and murderers were for both sides - Jewish and Polish. Some Poles commited crimes on Jews, as well, as some Jewish partisants commited crimes by murdering Polish villagers.

Many Polish Gentiles concealed hundreds of thousands of their Jewish neighbors. Many of these efforts arose spontaneously from individual initiatives, but there were also organized networks dedicated to aiding the Jews.
Most notably, in September 1942 a Provisional Committee to Aid Jews (Tymczasowy Komitet Pomocy Żydom) was founded on the initiative of Polish novelist Zofia Kossak-Szczucka, of the famous artistic and literary Kossak family. This body soon became the Council for Aid to Jews (Rada Pomocy Żydom), known by the codename Żegota, with Julian Grobelny as its president and Irena Sendler as head of its children's section. Poland was the ONLY country in occupied Europe where there existed such a dedicated secret organization. It is not exactly known how many Jews were helped by Żegota, but at one point in 1943 it had 2,500 Jewish children under its care in Warsaw alone. At war's end, Sendler attempted to return them to their parents but nearly all of them had died at Treblinka. It is estimated that about half of the Jews who survived the war (thus over 50,000) were aided in some shape or form by Żegota. Many Jews were saved by the entire communities such as one of Markowa, near Łańcut, where many families concealed their Jewish neighbors and some paid the ultimate price for doing so.
Learn something new.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Righteous
Czarna

Gdynia, Poland

#8 Apr 30, 2009
Capital punishment of entire families, for aiding Jews, was the most draconian such Nazi practice against any nation in occupied Europe.On November 10, 1941, the death penalty was expanded by Hans Frank to apply to Poles who helped Jews "in any way: by taking them in for the night, giving them a lift in a vehicle of any kind" or "feed[ing] runaway Jews or sell[ing] them foodstuffs. Estimates of the number of Poles who were killed for aiding Jews range from about 700 to tens of thousands.
Marty

Pembroke, NC

#9 Apr 30, 2009
Yeah, fantastic. This helps to explain how at least 90 percent of the Jewish population in poland was exterminated by germans (and those pesky polish assistants). One more thing: most of the remnants of the Jewish community that was foolish enough to return to poland after the war experienced plenty of murders by their polish "saviors." catholic poles can't help themselves when it comes to murdering any Jew they can get their hands on.
Abe

Bronx, NY

#10 Apr 30, 2009
Marty wrote:
This is disgusting as well as wrong. Most, not some, poles were and remain genocidal anti-semites. The catholic cult devoted a millenium to teaching hatred of Jews (only islam can compete with that record). For every pole who helped Jews there were a hundred who enthusiastically assisted the germans to eradicate the Jewish community in poland. It's silly to pretend otherwise.
If what you say is true then Jews have to be the biggest idiots the world has ever known. WHY would JEWS CHOOSE to live in a country which you claim to be has genocidal anti-semites?

So Jews for THOUSANDS OF YEARS said "Hey lets all go to Poland! Well Gee why should we? Because that't where the people are genocidal anti-semites who like to kill Jews! So the Jews then said GEE that SOUNDS LIKE A GREAT REASON TO CHOOSE TO LIVE IN POLAND!

Stop reading those stupid Anti-Polish Jewish supremacist newspapers that only give you ONE SIDE! They are filled with big Lib commie sympathizer editors that hate Poles.
Speaking about Jews. Do you think all Jews were saints? Karl Marx (a left-wing supremacist) founded communism which created tremendous suffering on Poles and other East Europeans not to mention religious Jews.

What about all the vicious Jews who provoked anti-semitism in Poland and Eastern Europe? Why doesn't anyone ever talk about that? What about STALIN'S JEWS?

Stalin's Jews:

We mustn't forget that some of greatest murderers of modern times were Jewish

Published: 12.21.06, 23:35 / Israel Opinion

Here's a particularly forlorn historical date: Almost 90 years ago, between the 19th and 20th of December 1917, in the midst of the Bolshevik revolution and civil war, Lenin signed a decree calling for the establishment of The All-Russian Extraordinary Commission for Combating Counter-Revolution and Sabotage, also known as Cheka.
Within a short period of time, Cheka became the largest and cruelest state security organization. Its organizational structure was changed every few years, as were its names: From Cheka to GPU, later to NKVD, and later to KGB.

We cannot know with certainty the number of deaths Cheka was responsible for in its various manifestations, but the number is surely at least 20 million, including victims of the forced collectivization, the hunger, large purges, expulsions, banishments, executions, and mass death at Gulags.
Abe

Bronx, NY

#11 Apr 30, 2009
STALIN'S JEWS continued:

Whole population strata were eliminated: Independent farmers, ethnic minorities, members of the bourgeoisie, senior officers, intellectuals, artists, labor movement activists, "opposition members" who were defined completely randomly, and countless members of the Communist party itself.

In his new, highly praised book "The War of the World, "Historian Niall Ferguson writes that no revolution in the history of mankind devoured its children with the same unrestrained appetite as did the Soviet revolution. In his book on the Stalinist purges, Tel Aviv University's Dr. Igal Halfin writes that Stalinist violence was unique in that it was directed internally.

Lenin, Stalin, and their successors could not have carried out their deeds without wide-scale cooperation of disciplined "terror officials," cruel interrogators, snitches, executioners, guards, judges, perverts, and many bleeding hearts who were members of the progressive Western Left and were deceived by the Soviet regime of horror and even provided it with a kosher certificate.

All these things are well-known to some extent or another, even though the former Soviet Union's archives have not yet been fully opened
to the public. But who knows about this? Within Russia itself, very few people have been brought to justice for their crimes in the NKVD's and KGB's service. The Russian public discourse today completely ignores the question of "How could it have happened to us?" As opposed to Eastern European nations, the Russians did not settle the score with their Stalinist past.
Abe

Bronx, NY

#12 Apr 30, 2009
STALIN'S JEWS continued:

And us, the Jews? An Israeli student finishes high school without ever hearing the name "Genrikh Yagoda," the greatest Jewish murderer of the 20th Century, the GPU's deputy commander and the founder and commander of the NKVD.

Yagoda diligently implemented Stalin's collectivization orders and is responsible for the deaths of at least 10 million people. His Jewish deputies established and managed the Gulag system. After Stalin no longer viewed him favorably, Yagoda was demoted and executed, and was replaced as chief hangman in 1936 by Yezhov, the "bloodthirsty dwarf."

Yezhov was not Jewish but was blessed with an active Jewish wife. In his Book "Stalin: Court of the Red Star", Jewish historian Sebag Montefiore writes that during the darkest period of terror, when the Communist killing machine worked in full force, Stalin was surrounded by beautiful, young Jewish women.

Stalin's close associates and loyalists included member of the Central Committee and Politburo Lazar Kaganovich. Montefiore characterizes him as the "first Stalinist" and adds that those starving to death in Ukraine, an unparalleled tragedy in the history of human kind aside from the Nazi horrors and Mao's terror in China, did not move Kaganovich.

Many Jews sold their soul to the devil of the Communist revolution and have blood on their hands for eternity. We'll mention just one more: Leonid Reichman, head of the NKVD's special department and the organization's chief interrogator, who was a particularly cruel sadist.

In 1934, according to published statistics, 38.5 percent of those holding the most senior posts in the Soviet security apparatuses were of Jewish origin. They too, of course, were gradually eliminated in the next purges. In a fascinating lecture at a Tel Aviv University convention this week, Dr. Halfin described the waves of soviet terror as a "carnival of mass murder," "fantasy of purges", and "essianism of evil." Turns out that Jews too, when they become captivated by messianic ideology, can become great murderers, among the greatest known by modern history.

The Jews active in official communist terror apparatuses (In the Soviet Union and abroad) and who at times led them, did not do this, obviously, as Jews, but rather, as Stalinists, communists, and "Soviet people." Therefore, we find it easy to ignore their origin and "play dumb": What do we have to do with them? But let's not forget them. My own view is different. I find it unacceptable that a person will be considered a member of the Jewish people when he does great things, but not considered part of our people when he does amazingly despicable things.

Even if we deny it, we cannot escape the Jewishness of "our hangmen," who served the Red Terror with loyalty and dedication from its establishment. After all, others will always remind us of their origin.
Abe

Bronx, NY

#13 Apr 30, 2009
When the Soviets were coming into Poland and were killing and brutalizing Polish nationalists while going easy on Jews because the Soviets knew Jews were generally disloyal to Poland (because they were communist minded), HOW MANY JEWS ever saved Poles from being brutalized or killed? ZERO!

Poland was the ONLY country where saving a Jew gave a Pole and his family the DEATH PENALTY. Considering all the disloyalty Jews had for Poland I'm surprised any Poles saved any Jews let alone saved tens of thousands of Jews - with a DEATH PENALTY always looming over them.

The Great Rabbi Moses Isserles basically said, if it wasn't for Poland, there would be no tribe of Israel. He said this because he realized how Poland, despite its flaws, was the ONLY country willing to give salvation to large numbers of Jews since virtually ever other nations hated the Jews.
Abe

Bronx, NY

#14 Apr 30, 2009
Marty wrote:
Yeah, fantastic. This helps to explain how at least 90 percent of the Jewish population in poland was exterminated by germans (and those pesky polish assistants). One more thing: most of the remnants of the Jewish community that was foolish enough to return to poland after the war experienced plenty of murders by their polish "saviors." catholic poles can't help themselves when it comes to murdering any Jew they can get their hands on.
You're just repeating the classical Hate Poland propaganda line spouted by Jewish supremacists.

If Poles were as bad as you and Jewish supremacists say, then WHY DID JEWS CHOOSE TO LIVE IN POLAND FOR ONE THOUSAND YEARS??????

Are Jews that stupid to CHOOSE to live in that bad of a county in huge numbers for HUNDREDS OF YEARS???????

If things were as bad in Poland as you and Jewish supemacists say, then WHY DIDN'T THE JEWS LEAVE POLAND??? Are these Jews fools????

What about all the pesky Jews who couldn't wait to collaborate with the Soviets to kill Poles and other East Europeans, like Stalin's Jews?

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-334...

Also those Jews who returned to Poland after WWII were in a Poland that was controlled by an iron fist by the Soviet Union. The Soviet Union loved to stir up crap between Poles and Jews in Poland so that Poland was easier to control. It was the old divide and conquer technique. Many of the high level government posts in Poland were filled with communist Jews by Stalin who stayed in power after Stalin's death.

Many Anti-Semitic events in Poland were prompted by these high level Jews in power in Poland. These Jews would sell out their own people if it would allow them to stay in power. Poland was not controlled one bit by Polish nationalists after WWII. So why don't you blame the Soviet Authorities who knew AHEAD OF TIME about "Anti-Semitic events in Poland, BECAUSE THEY PLANNED THEM. NOTHING happened in Poland without the Soviet Union knowing about it.

Also Poland is one of the few countries where you had Jewish presidents like the former Alexander Krasinewski who was half Jewish. He was a former high level communist official in Poland in the 1980s'. Yeah that Post WWII Poland was so "anti-semitic" that's why high level government positions were filled DISPROPORTIONATELY with Jews! LOL
Abe

Bronx, NY

#15 Apr 30, 2009
As someone who is half Jewish, one of the reasons why I care so much about Poland and Poles, despite their imperfections, is because I KNOW the truth about Poland's history and not what Anti-Polish bigots say about Poland.
Czarna

Gdynia, Poland

#16 Apr 30, 2009
Marty wrote:
Yeah, fantastic....
In case you didn't know, Poland lost 3 million of catholic Polish civilians during the ww2, not only 3 million of Polish Jews. There was no way to save those 3 millions of catholic Poles, as well as there was no way to save Polish Jews.

Before the Nazis invaded Poland, Hitler announced,“The destruction of Poland is our primary task.” He also commanded,“Kill without pity or mercy all men, women, and children of Polish descent or language. Only in this way can we obtain the living space we need.” Hitler’s head of secret police, Heinrich Himmler, promised that“
http://www.holocaustforgotten.com/Lucaire.htm

There is a general consensus among historians that there was very little collaboration with the Nazis among the Polish nation as a whole, compared to other Nazi-occupied countries. Depending on a definition of collaboration (and of a Polish citizen, based on ethnicity and minority status), scholars estimate number of "Polish collaborators" at around several thousand in a population of about 35 million!(that number is supported by the Israeli War Crimes Commission).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collaboration_wi...

As you can see, your sarcasm is missed.

“Tea parties R 4 little girls.”

Since: May 08

Orlando

#17 Apr 30, 2009
pesky the real deal wrote:
yes, everyone loves a polak, as long as he keeps his mouth shut ?
Does your mommy know your on the computer? It's past your bedtime..go to sleep.

“Safe pair of hands”

Since: Nov 08

where the trouble is

#18 Apr 30, 2009
i see that abeko the polak gimp writes so much but so little is being said !
if you polaks loved those jews so much how come you built oswiecsim...?
Abe

Bronx, NY

#19 May 1, 2009
pesky the real deal wrote:
i see that abeko the polak gimp writes so much but so little is being said !
if you polaks loved those jews so much how come you built oswiecsim...?
What an idiotic comment by a stupid SLOWvak Nazi liar.

You're just saying that to take attention away from the willfull collaboration of you Slowvaks with Nazi Germany.

Next thing you're going to say is that Hitler was Polish.

“Safe pair of hands”

Since: Nov 08

where the trouble is

#20 May 1, 2009
he was a half jew just like you, he never knew whom to hate first ?
as for my comment...it was meant for an idiot !
look, goobrain, think about it a while, you might catch on ?

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