Jodi Arias claims self-defense as mur...

Jodi Arias claims self-defense as murder trial begins

There are 7233 comments on the KTVK Phoenix story from Jan 2, 2013, titled Jodi Arias claims self-defense as murder trial begins. In it, KTVK Phoenix reports that:

A defense attorney says an Arizona woman charged with stabbing and shooting her boyfriend to death in 2008 acted in self-defense because he was violent and abusive.

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Peggy

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#1415 Mar 11, 2013
hybridlment wrote:
I'm following the local proceedings of another case exactly like this; the death of a young attorney my daughter went to school with at the hands of his stalking girlfriend (shot 7 times). She's claiming the exact same "abuse" that has absolutely zero record, and every single person who knew her says she was a little "off" socially, nuts about him, and he wanted away from her. She showed up at his house right before he had another date, shot him 7 times and is claiming she was defending herself. So parallel that it's eerie. She's a mirror image of Jodi's persona, and he was a very handsome, charismatic guy.
Wow, sorry to hear that.

Since: Mar 13

Location hidden

#1416 Mar 11, 2013
I did not follow this case until towards the end of February but I have gone back to read what I can from the beginning. Even now, I have not read, heard or seen everything, not counting what I forget. ;) I do try to be credible in my posts though.

Alexander being a motivational speaker and some kind of spiritual guide, it makes me wonder if all that went out the window when he was with Arias? To motivate, it means building up. He seemingly did just the opposite with Arias. No telling if he told or sent her any "lovey dovey" type sentiments. What I am trying to get out is he was able to step out of his role as this goody-two-shoes when he was Arias sexually.

Nonetheless, I am not convinced Alexander physically abused Arias the night she killed him. I think he was verbally abusive to her and some of the sexual acts he did to her seem a bit rough but again, Arias (a grown adult) went along with it. That makes it hard for me to accept the "self defense" claim.

Since: Mar 13

Location hidden

#1417 Mar 11, 2013
Peggy wrote:
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Do you know what her answer was to the question if she had done it to reach him beyond the grave was?? Sorry, I would try to find it on youtube, I would love to actually. But for some reason the audio doesn't come through loud enough on most of the videos. And i'm hard of hearing to begin with.
The Radaronline link was the first one on Google search pertaining to stuff Arias sent Alexander after she killed him. There may be more but I was satisfied enough with that one.

I do not remember exactly what her answer was but I recall hearing something like it went along with pretending like she had not killed him. To be honest, I do not remember exactly and I got tired of looking for the exact answer.:)

Since: Mar 13

Location hidden

#1418 Mar 11, 2013
hybridlment wrote:
Rose, I think it's the way our society thinks now, too. I'm nearing 60 (quickly!) and have seen a lot of change - some positive, but there seems to be an excuse for everything now. It starts with young parents who won't let their children accept consequences for anything they do and ends with young adults who can't accept accountability for anything they do. It's always someone else's fault.
I think you might be right, hybrid (my nic for ya ;)). I am 50-something and also seen a lot of change in my life time. You notice we have more "disorders" now than when we were younger? I think that falls in to the excuse for everything category. Parents do not need to be their children's best friend. They need to be parents, an authority figure that holds their child(ren) accountable for their actions, be it good or bad.(Praise is just as valuable and probably does not happen enough.) Then there are parents who are abusive anyway, be it from their own upbringing or experience, that it becomes a vicious cycle. I realize there is no going back so to start now would be better than letting the status quo go on. That is my opinion, anyway.
Peggy

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#1419 Mar 11, 2013
RamblingRose253 wrote:
I did not follow this case until towards the end of February but I have gone back to read what I can from the beginning. Even now, I have not read, heard or seen everything, not counting what I forget. ;) I do try to be credible in my posts though.
Alexander being a motivational speaker and some kind of spiritual guide, it makes me wonder if all that went out the window when he was with Arias? To motivate, it means building up. He seemingly did just the opposite with Arias. No telling if he told or sent her any "lovey dovey" type sentiments. What I am trying to get out is he was able to step out of his role as this goody-two-shoes when he was Arias sexually.
Nonetheless, I am not convinced Alexander physically abused Arias the night she killed him. I think he was verbally abusive to her and some of the sexual acts he did to her seem a bit rough but again, Arias (a grown adult) went along with it. That makes it hard for me to accept the "self defense" claim.
I totally agree
LA Guy

United States

#1420 Mar 11, 2013
RamblingRose253 wrote:
Nonetheless, I am not convinced Alexander physically abused Arias the night she killed him. I think he was verbally abusive to her and some of the sexual acts he did to her seem a bit rough but again, Arias (a grown adult) went along with it. That makes it hard for me to accept the "self defense" claim.
Hello

Do you believe the Coroner as to her stabbing him first. In that case, it was not premeditated. Something happen in the last few minutes and she instinctively lashed out. Even strong male thugs in the street, know that it is very difficult to take one with the first stab wound.

Keep in mind that independant evidence exists as to TA' abuse (audio/texts). The BWS aspect, is precisely why most DA's would have fike Manskaughter chrges against her. On her long drive to Phoenix she was in various tages of an emotional breakdown...granted many scenarious going through her mine, but the last thing she wanted was TA dead.

Something happen in the last fifteen. If she had taken a firearm, it could have been an insurande policy just in case. Keep in mind that it is not uncommon for battered women to pre arm themselves.

Think about it, the last thing he wsnted was Travis dead. She had recently entered a zomby like sex slave state of mind to her dominant Svengali love of her kife.
LA Guy

United States

#1421 Mar 11, 2013
So many typos in my above post, embarrassing
LA Guy

United States

#1422 Mar 11, 2013
Not that long ago, my then GF stormed out of my place over a minor disagreement. She later told me that she drove around aimlessly (in a fog) for over an hour, could not even find her place which was nearby.

Since: Apr 11

Location hidden

#1423 Mar 11, 2013
When and where did she grab the knife? Wasn't it in the bedroom? She said she went in the closet but said nothing about going into the bedroom to get the knife.
hybridlment

Louisville, KY

#1424 Mar 11, 2013
I've never been in a fog that I didn't mean to be in :)
hybridlment

Louisville, KY

#1425 Mar 11, 2013
She was a zombie sex slave because she had anal sex with a man she "loved so entirely"? Is that really where they're going to go?

So if I want to slaughter somebody, all I need to do is have anal sex with them and go into a fog?
hybridlment

Louisville, KY

#1426 Mar 11, 2013
boogiesmom wrote:
When and where did she grab the knife? Wasn't it in the bedroom? She said she went in the closet but said nothing about going into the bedroom to get the knife.
She claims the knife was used to cut the rope he tied her up with, but no rope was visible in any pictures and was never found (or the knife). I think she said it "ended up in a dumpster" but was in the bathroom while he was in the shower.
LA Guy

United States

#1427 Mar 11, 2013
hybridlment wrote:
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She claims the knife was used to cut the rope he tied her up with, but no rope was visible in any pictures and was never found (or the knife). I think she said it "ended up in a dumpster" but was in the bathroom while he was in the shower.
He's on tape as to tying her up .. all 101 in he game ... they did find some type of cords .. try not to overthink every detail, look at the picure.

She not want to kill him, to the conrarhy ... wht do you think

Appreciate your posts.
LA Guy

United States

#1428 Mar 11, 2013
boogiesmom wrote:
When and where did she grab the knife? Wasn't it in the bedroom? She said she went in the closet but said nothing about going into the bedroom to get the knife.
Thkng got craz, all of it was in close proximity, be the kinife in the bathroom, hall, bedroom .. ever been in a fight, goes down fast and get crazy ... he wouldhave been over confident, talking trash, pushing her around ... her, hytserical
Peggy

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#1429 Mar 11, 2013
LA Guy wrote:
Not that long ago, my then GF stormed out of my place over a minor disagreement. She later told me that she drove around aimlessly (in a fog) for over an hour, could not even find her place which was nearby.
So she was so impaired by the fog that she can't remember anything, but it didn't impair her to the point where she would forget to get rid of the evidence.

If you are in such a state that you don't know what you are doing and won't remember it later, why is she cleaning up after herself. Trying to ruin the camera, bringing the gun AND the knife and disposing of them. Why did she remember to bring all of her belongings with her and not accidentally leave anything behind. Then shortly after leave messages on his voicemail to avoid suspicion. These are acts of someone knowing EXACTLY what they are doing, NOT someone in a FOG. Even if it WASN'T premeditation.(Which I think most of us can agree that it was, but that's beside the point.)
LA Guy

United States

#1430 Mar 11, 2013
Good Day wrote:
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:) Good morning The Cal King is great.
That's funny.
RR: Oh, that is something very special :) Another good man. It's good to be discerning and proceed with caution, especially when so much is at stake. Yes :) knowledge and strategy in war.
*The Book "Gift of Fear" (covers instinctive fear and the Mosaic threat assessment sysytem) by Gavin De Becker are great for anyone to read. He's a security expert. And, will say Dr. Anthony Napoleon, Forensic Psychologist has so much insight and research as well, on human behavior in relation to crime.
Thank's Lover, btw where are you

Will check out those books this evening.

I have been starting my day via youtube on "Buddhist Quote of the Day" or "Brainy Quotes"
Peggy

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#1431 Mar 11, 2013
I'm not a psychiatrist, not a doctor nor a detective.....but come on that's just not logical.
LA Guy

United States

#1432 Mar 11, 2013
Peggy wrote:
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So she was so impaired by the fog that she can't remember anything, but it didn't impair her to the point where she would forget to get rid of the evidence.
If you are in such a state that you don't know what you are doing and won't remember it later, why is she cleaning up after herself. Trying to ruin the camera, bringing the gun AND the knife and disposing of them. Why did she remember to bring all of her belongings with her and not accidentally leave anything behind. Then shortly after leave messages on his voicemail to avoid suspicion. These are acts of someone knowing EXACTLY what they are doing, NOT someone in a FOG. Even if it WASN'T premeditation.(Which I think most of us can agree that it was, but that's beside the point.)
Hi Peggy

See your point, but this BWS is baffling in nature. I'm paticulalry interested in your take after the mental health experts run it down. The last thing she wanted was TA dead.

Do you feel that she stabbed him first, like the coroner stated. If that was the case, it was not premeditated.

Find you very interesting and genuine. Are you still a nudist?
St Pat's day is coming up, do you kick a few back. I feel like having a cold one right now, but rarely drink.

LA Guy

United States

#1433 Mar 11, 2013
RamblingRose253 wrote:
<quoted text>
I think you might be right, hybrid (my nic for ya ;)). I am 50-something and also seen a lot of change in my life time. You notice we have more "disorders" now than when we were younger? I think that falls in to the excuse for everything category. Parents do not need to be their children's best friend. They need to be parents, an authority figure that holds their child(ren) accountable for their actions, be it good or bad.(Praise is just as valuable and probably does not happen enough.) Then there are parents who are abusive anyway, be it from their own upbringing or experience, that it becomes a vicious cycle. I realize there is no going back so to start now would be better than letting the status quo go on. That is my opinion, anyway.
Parents in places like LA, abdicating to the myriad of overdiagnosed ADD, etc. Ritalin and Adderal in voque. A new wave of monsters in the pipeline. I like the approach of "Tiger Mom", you probably are familiar with her and this Asian way.

So we are in the same age bracket and time zone. Same with my girl in Northern Cal.
hybridlment

Louisville, KY

#1434 Mar 11, 2013
LA Guy wrote:
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He's on tape as to tying her up .. all 101 in he game ... they did find some type of cords .. try not to overthink every detail, look at the picure.
She not want to kill him, to the conrarhy ... wht do you think
Appreciate your posts.
Are you talking about the phone sex when he said he wanted to tie her to a tree? I don't remember the cords being mentioned. They have to look at the details, or they'll get lost in the big vague picture Jodi is painting. Same with the saintly big picture of Travis. The truth will be in the details - not one, but many details; facts, not stories, that can be put together to paint a true picture. The big lies can't be proven, but many small ones make the big ones lies, too, to the jury.

I'm not sure she didn't want him dead. Some women resent so deeply the fact that a man rejects them that they would rather see him dead than with someone else. Stalking also gets tedious, and eliminating the target is a freedom.

A dead problem ceases to be a problem, unless you get caught. Jodi didn't plan on getting caught. She is very bright and truly believes her mind can outwit any other - I suspect she's been successful with that before. The steps she took to cover all her tracks both before and after are indicative of clear thinking and delusional superiority.

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