Jodi Arias claims self-defense as mur...

Jodi Arias claims self-defense as murder trial begins

There are 7233 comments on the KTVK Phoenix story from Jan 2, 2013, titled Jodi Arias claims self-defense as murder trial begins. In it, KTVK Phoenix reports that:

A defense attorney says an Arizona woman charged with stabbing and shooting her boyfriend to death in 2008 acted in self-defense because he was violent and abusive.

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Hmm

Cochranton, PA

#1255 Mar 8, 2013
RamblingRose253 wrote:
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It is my fear that Arias will somehow get away with the slaughter she committed. All it takes is one juror to have a reasonable doubt. At this point, there is no telling what verdict the jury will render but I can only hope Arias will pay the price for her crime, be it the death penalty or life in prison with no chance for parole. Frankly, I would rather have her in jail for life with no parole. The death penalty is more costly ($) and with all the appeals, she might as well have been sentenced to life in prison.
I could be wrong, but I think I remember hearing that she was willing to pled guilty to 2nd degree before the trial started, and the prosecutor wouldn't accept it.
Another Poster

Addison, IL

#1256 Mar 8, 2013
RamblingRose253 wrote:
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It is my fear that Arias will somehow get away with the slaughter she committed. All it takes is one juror to have a reasonable doubt. At this point, there is no telling what verdict the jury will render but I can only hope Arias will pay the price for her crime, be it the death penalty or life in prison with no chance for parole. Frankly, I would rather have her in jail for life with no parole. The death penalty is more costly ($) and with all the appeals, she might as well have been sentenced to life in prison.
In criminal cases a unanimous vote is require for both a conviction and an acquittal. And, one juror can hang the jury.

If a case ends in a hung jury, the case will be retried.
Another Poster

Addison, IL

#1257 Mar 8, 2013
"Louisiana and Oregon are the only two states that still allow individuals to be convicted of felonies by non-unanimous - often referred to as "majority" - jury verdicts. Oregon requires a unanimous vote only in first-degree murder cases, whereas Louisiana now only requires it in cases involving the death penalty."

Since: Mar 13

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#1258 Mar 8, 2013
Another Poster wrote:
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In criminal cases a unanimous vote is require for both a conviction and an acquittal. And, one juror can hang the jury.
If a case ends in a hung jury, the case will be retried.
I hope the jury can have a unanimous decision one way or the other because retrying this case again is a waste of money and time. I think Arias is guilty of premeditated murder but given the Casey Anthony and OJ Simpson trials, it is hard to know what a jury will do. Then again, there is the Drew Peterson and Scott Petersen cases....... C'est la vie but I hope Arias goes to jail for life.

Since: Mar 13

Location hidden

#1259 Mar 8, 2013
Hmm wrote:
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I could be wrong, but I think I remember hearing that she was willing to pled guilty to 2nd degree before the trial started, and the prosecutor wouldn't accept it.
I had read somewhere something to the same thing as you posted. I also read Juan Martinez is not one who accepts plea deals very much if at all. Now we have the sordid details between Travis Alexander and Arias. I think they fed off of each other, that toxic combination type of deal. I do not think Alexander was a saint but he did not deserve to die for his sexual fantasies.
LA Guy

United States

#1260 Mar 9, 2013
Circus Atmopshere abounds.

Juries should not be allowed to ask questions of defendants...few states allow it and now one knows why.

In most states, they can only ask for a re-read of the transcrits, at that. Cal has a superior system.

As to JM being hard nose on accepting plea bargains, his marching orders come from the elected DA. This trial has local political ramifications, aside from seeking justice. This case was not just randomly given to Martinez due to his experience in prosecuting homicides, the power structure liked his style and thought it would play well.

Same thing happen with OJ in LA, as to the power struture choosing Chris Darden and Marsha Clarke, but for different reasons. They had to be be real cordial to the famous Black guy and also to Johnny Cochran, all the while presenting a throat slashing double homicide.

If a similar case would have gone down in the barrio or ghetto ihn Phoenix, I seriously doubt if Murder I would have even been charged. More like a plea to Manslaughter, particularly if the female has been abused.
LA Guy

United States

#1261 Mar 9, 2013
Hmm wrote:
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I could be wrong, but I think I remember hearing that she was willing to pled guilty to 2nd degree before the trial started, and the prosecutor wouldn't accept it.
Heard she would not accept it, since they would have maxed her out at 22 years .. hell, that is not Manslaughter for a defendant without any prior criminal record, much less an abused female.

The judge in Arizona has some discretion, could give her a mid range sentence (about 10 years) on Murder 2, but no way in hell in this local political climate would that happen. They all have to run for re-election.
LA Guy

United States

#1262 Mar 9, 2013
RamblingRose253 wrote:
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I hope the jury can have a unanimous decision one way or the other because retrying this case again is a waste of money and time. I think Arias is guilty of premeditated murder but given the Casey Anthony and OJ Simpson trials, it is hard to know what a jury will do. Then again, there is the Drew Peterson and Scott Petersen cases....... C'est la vie but I hope Arias goes to jail for life.
You do not even see this as a Second Degree .. how do you dismiss the the independent evidence of abuse (Tapes, Texts).. wait for the experts on BWS and rethink your poition.
LA Guy

United States

#1263 Mar 9, 2013
Goodmorning:)

Heading to Chinatown, btw, not an introvert, but measured and introspective

Ever read "Art of War"
Batman

Fort Lauderdale, FL

#1264 Mar 9, 2013
Are we still waiting for expert testimony on the mental capacity of a battered woman .

I would like to make it clear that i despise men like TA.He was a womanizer and a self serving manipulator. I especially get enraged when i hear him talk about JA moaning like a 12 year old girl who just had her first orgasm.
tennessee

Lenoir City, TN

#1265 Mar 9, 2013
She is a lair and knew what she was doing, Foggy memory my ass. I hope she gets the DEATH penalty! And i want to be one person to give her the injection, As i give her the same smirky grin she gives. And i will even wear glasses. She is a real piece of shit!
Rufus

Mesa, AZ

#1266 Mar 9, 2013
I love women who take it up the butt! Pass the lube and I'd go for some mudd diving on Jodi. I'd have to have her hands tied since she seems to be a bit unstable.

Since: Mar 13

Location hidden

#1267 Mar 9, 2013
LA Guy wrote:
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You do not even see this as a Second Degree .. how do you dismiss the the independent evidence of abuse (Tapes, Texts).. wait for the experts on BWS and rethink your poition.
Actually you do not know what I see or do not see but you like to post like some hot shot know-it-all. You are no better or worse than anyone else posting their opinions or observations on this thread. I do not dismiss the "independent evidence of abuse" any more than I dismiss the evidence that Arias brutally slaughtered Alexander. I see verbal abuse (from texts) Alexander gave to Arias but it is no excuse for Arias to have killed him. Do not forget how prone Arias is to lying and saying or doing things to suit her purpose. Even if it was not right, she would do something anyway. I will try to find her testimony where she said it and provide it for this board.
LA Guy

United States

#1268 Mar 9, 2013
RamblingRose253 wrote:
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Actually you do not know what I see or do not see but you like to post like some hot shot know-it-all. You are no better or worse than anyone else posting their opinions or observations on this thread. I do not dismiss the "independent evidence of abuse" any more than I dismiss the evidence that Arias brutally slaughtered Alexander. I see verbal abuse (from texts) Alexander gave to Arias but it is no excuse for Arias to have killed him. Do not forget how prone Arias is to lying and saying or doing things to suit her purpose. Even if it was not right, she would do something anyway. I will try to find her testimony where she said it and provide it for this board.
Trying to help you understand this in context to the socio/legal norms relating to BWS in the 21st Cenury. Jody, in my humble opinion is guilty of a basic Manslaugher. Do you at lest see some reasonalbe doubt in her favor?

Please keep in mind that numerous academic and legal cases, have documnented irrtitional and defensive behavoir of abused women, even when much of it has invovled verbal and sexual deviant acts at the behest of a dominant male.

Question, do you believe that his verbal abuse and deviate dominant sex acts perhaps took a toll on her mental stability.
Let's start at this pint in re thinking this as a Mansalghter case, which would result in a in a mid range prison sentence.

Keep in mind, that it isnot uncommon for battered women to lie, deny, overkill and run. I'm kindlky atempting to be of assistance to you.

This is LA Guy, posting from a unique perspective in this matter, that few if any could match.
LA Guy

United States

#1269 Mar 9, 2013
tennessee wrote:
She is a lair and knew what she was doing, Foggy memory my ass. I hope she gets the DEATH penalty! And i want to be one person to give her the injection, As i give her the same smirky grin she gives. And i will even wear glasses. She is a real piece of shit!
Those in most parts of our country would not agree with you, particulalry in LA and NYC. Have you travelled outside of your small world?

Since: Mar 13

Location hidden

#1270 Mar 9, 2013
LA Guy wrote:
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Trying to help you understand this in context to the socio/legal norms relating to BWS in the 21st Cenury. Jody, in my humble opinion is guilty of a basic Manslaugher. Do you at lest see some reasonalbe doubt in her favor?
Please keep in mind that numerous academic and legal cases, have documnented irrtitional and defensive behavoir of abused women, even when much of it has invovled verbal and sexual deviant acts at the behest of a dominant male.
Question, do you believe that his verbal abuse and deviate dominant sex acts perhaps took a toll on her mental stability.
Let's start at this pint in re thinking this as a Mansalghter case, which would result in a in a mid range prison sentence.
Keep in mind, that it isnot uncommon for battered women to lie, deny, overkill and run. I'm kindlky atempting to be of assistance to you.
This is LA Guy, posting from a unique perspective in this matter, that few if any could match.
I have a bad reaction when someone gives me "assistance" I do not want or have not asked for. Firstly, Arias hasn't been proved (or needs to be proved) as a battered woman. She herself has stated she was a consenting party to the sexual activities she had with Alexander. Her defense is killing in self defense. In my opinion I do not believe her self defense claim.

I think Arias' "mental stability" was already in question before she got involved with Alexander. That being said, I also believe abuse (physical or mental) can make someone act in an unacceptable manner. Does that fit with the crime Arias has been charged? No. I have not seen or heard enough evidence to be 100% certain Arias is/was an abused woman (at least enough to commit murder, then try to hide it).

Why would I think of it as a "Manslaughter case" when in reality, it is not? I would rather deal with the reality that she has been charged with 1st degree murder. Why do you keep trying to assist me when I have not asked for assistance? Does that go with your arrogance in your "unique perspective in this matter, that few if any could match." You do not have any idea of what others' life experience or personal experience have had. Your "unique perspective" is simply that; your own. It is no more valuable or invaluable than that another person's perspective. What makes you think your perspective is the way for others to see the Arias case?
Another Poster

Addison, IL

#1271 Mar 9, 2013

Since: Mar 13

Location hidden

#1272 Mar 9, 2013
Another Poster wrote:
If the defense has Arias on the stand so she would "grow" on them, it may be that they have grown tired of her. Certainly it may have humanized her to the jury. Arias, a human who lies a lot for her own benefit. Maybe they (jury) will sympathize and give her life in prison (with or without parole) which I think she deserves, at the very least.
Another Poster

Addison, IL

#1273 Mar 9, 2013
RamblingRose253 wrote:
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If the defense has Arias on the stand so she would "grow" on them, it may be that they have grown tired of her. Certainly it may have humanized her to the jury. Arias, a human who lies a lot for her own benefit. Maybe they (jury) will sympathize and give her life in prison (with or without parole) which I think she deserves, at the very least.
If the jurors were tired of Jodi, they wouldn't have asked so many questions. It is obvious that they have been paying attention to every single word that she has said and to every single question that she has answered.

With regards to the jurors' questions, even though the defense moved to rehabilitate Jodi in redirect, her lawyer didn't show signs of being overly preoccupied. Martinez, on the other hand, seemed overly eager to prove to the jury that Jodi had lied under oath, and the reason for that was the way in which the jurors asked the questions.

In my opinion, Jodi did really well under Martinez questioning in spite of his thinly veiled threats.

The defense's case isn't over yet, there might be some surprises in store.
Another Poster

Addison, IL

#1274 Mar 9, 2013
"ALEXANDER: There have been many times when you have been like, miserable and I`ve, like, raped you."

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