Jodi Arias claims self-defense as mur...

Jodi Arias claims self-defense as murder trial begins

There are 7233 comments on the KTVK Phoenix story from Jan 2, 2013, titled Jodi Arias claims self-defense as murder trial begins. In it, KTVK Phoenix reports that:

A defense attorney says an Arizona woman charged with stabbing and shooting her boyfriend to death in 2008 acted in self-defense because he was violent and abusive.

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Slayer

Birmingham, AL

#387 Feb 22, 2013
LA Guy wrote:
You see things most do not get. The sly smile spoke legions as to her personality and resolve. It coud endear some jurors on her side and harden the others.
As to objections, Asked and Answered, one my favorites. My GF
does not like it when I use it with her, nor just "next question".
Defense not opting for the "Arguementative" objection, why
when Martinez is a Gift Horse.. Martinez also trying to tesitfy, he loves to lead ... lol
Jody is highly intelligent, about 130 IQ .. what's you take on this. Admirable command of English, despite 11th grade education.
The foreman of this jury is going to have to be persuasive and able to compartmentalize to corral 12 jurors into reaching a verdict. If verdict is reached, it will have to be a great compromise. Jody is very cautious about her answers and she doesn't rush, often delays answering, asking for clarification -- smart.

'Argumentative' was cited as objection a few times during first day of cross. TruTV did have a breaking new update re: AZ Supreme Court -- decided against (denied) a stay of death penalty phase in Arias trial. Defense had cited lead investigator's testimony re: order of wounds, saying he was shot first, as Jodi claimed, but Martinez claimed in court that the gun shot was last.

If you're a trial lawyer maybe you can explain why this would matter?
Slayer

Birmingham, AL

#388 Feb 22, 2013
Does anyone reading this thread know if Napoleon was being cared for (fed) by one of the roommates after Travis was killed? Since the roommates believed Travis was travelling to Cancun surely he had arrangements for someone to check on Napoleon.

Does anyone know? Poor little pug, sure he was traumatized. Five days is a long time for a little dog to be left alone with his master's dead body.

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#389 Feb 22, 2013
Slayer wrote:
Does anyone reading this thread know if Napoleon was being cared for (fed) by one of the roommates after Travis was killed? Since the roommates believed Travis was travelling to Cancun surely he had arrangements for someone to check on Napoleon.
Does anyone know? Poor little pug, sure he was traumatized. Five days is a long time for a little dog to be left alone with his master's dead body.
Especially without eatin some.....BTW, Is Nancy Grace a bigger scumbag than all these people she drive's the lynchmob bus over? Am i the only one that find's HLN's coverage of this trial, totally one-sided?......
help me please

Port Saint Lucie, FL

#390 Feb 22, 2013
Slayer wrote:
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Tried to arrange some of yesterday to catch some live testimony: Jodi did well in response to most questions, except for a sly smile after telling Martinez that she had memory problems when men like him and Travis yelled at her. OK, that some a good comeback, but it would have been better if she had NOT smiled, which appeared as if she was congratulating herself for her good answer.
Testimony was slowed due to introduction of Jodi's personal journal, which was new and not previously introduced during discovery phase. Everyone had to wait for long periods as Jodi refreshed her memory as to what she had written.
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It wouldn't have been overcharged if the prosecution had enough clear evidence that she murdered TA out of sheer malice. Murder was especially vicious. A self defense claim would have been more believable if she hadn't stabbed him 27 times, shot him in the face, AND cut his throat to the spine. Several stabs could have incapacitated him so as to run away.
Jodi seemed more sorry the black pug, Napoleon, was left alone with the body for five days than hearing TA haven't been found for five days.
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There were a lot of 'objections' from defense as to 'question asked and aswered.' Martinez was repeating questions she had answered. There were many 'sidebars' b/c new evidence was being introducted.
Martinez' cross did not flow well. Considering the defense put on an exhaustingly long diatribe from Jodi (probably to help the jury forget the prosecution's evidence), Martinez presentation was disjointed out of the box. Unless he was going to follow a ccomplete chronological approach, then he should have told the juy upfront what it was he was trying to establish: 1) Despite what JA was said -- Here are all the instances of JA being a liar; 2) Here are all the instances indicating JA is an absurdly jealous person; 3) Here are the instances where JA has tried to cover her tracks during road trip of rage.
To try and establish JA as a very jealous person, Martinez presented an example from when JA was 21 years old. JA drove a long distance to confront a young woman who she learned was possibly beginning a flirtation with her current squeeze. This young woman was afraid of Jodi and didn't want to talk with her fearing what Jodi would do to her.
slayer may i ask. How do you break up someones post so that i can reply the way you just did above.. You know,,,, where a paragraph is quoted then you respond and then move on to another .. Thanks for your help.
LA Guy

United States

#391 Feb 22, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text>Especially without eatin some.....BTW, Is Nancy Grace a bigger scumbag than all these people she drive's the lynchmob bus over? Am i the only one that find's HLN's coverage of this trial, totally one-sided?......
Nancy has morphed into Evil and it shows on her face. I posted a few days ago, as to the her fitting right into to the persecutions during the Salem Witch Trials and the Inquisition. Nancy would have been the denouncer, calling for their heads. Difficult to imagine any guy with her, she would be the ultimate Erection killer. This biatch is sadistic in nature. She is performing all under the cover of a victims advocate and legal expert.

Most of the HLN crew, inclding Benny N and Mike Brooks going along with the lynch mob menttality. WTF is this with Mike Brooks, the ex cop, editing and paraphtasing Jody and then telling the audience what she was really saying. All jumping up and down in glee, as to Matinez destroying Jody during cross examination.

Dr Drew has revealed himself as a Charltan. Hey, how about all of these body lanquage experts being paraded by these hosts, including Nancy. He has gone way beyond the scope of a physician, btw the way he is not a Psychiatrist, but something called an addiction speciialist..LOL...he runs in patient detox club meds for rich kids and Hollywood types, in addition to his reality show.
He has all but declared Jody as Guilty, in his clever weasel way.

LA Guy

United States

#392 Feb 22, 2013
Slayer wrote:
<quoted text>
The foreman of this jury is going to have to be persuasive and able to compartmentalize to corral 12 jurors into reaching a verdict. If verdict is reached, it will have to be a great compromise. Jody is very cautious about her answers and she doesn't rush, often delays answering, asking for clarification -- smart.
Great point as to a verdict having to be a great compromise, as you put it...doubt it will happen. Not sure of the jury instructions in AZ as to lesser offenses, some jurisdictions do not inlcude them. They probably will include Murder 2, but perhaps not an involuntary Manslaughter...LOL
LA Guy

United States

#393 Feb 22, 2013
Most of these female talking heads, must be on some type of meds, the usual mood elevators, anti depressants, another pill to sleep and then a laxative.

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#394 Feb 22, 2013
LA Guy wrote:
<quoted text>
Nancy has morphed into Evil and it shows on her face. I posted a few days ago, as to the her fitting right into to the persecutions during the Salem Witch Trials and the Inquisition. Nancy would have been the denouncer, calling for their heads. Difficult to imagine any guy with her, she would be the ultimate Erection killer. This biatch is sadistic in nature. She is performing all under the cover of a victims advocate and legal expert.
Most of the HLN crew, inclding Benny N and Mike Brooks going along with the lynch mob menttality. WTF is this with Mike Brooks, the ex cop, editing and paraphtasing Jody and then telling the audience what she was really saying. All jumping up and down in glee, as to Matinez destroying Jody during cross examination.
Dr Drew has revealed himself as a Charltan. Hey, how about all of these body lanquage experts being paraded by these hosts, including Nancy. He has gone way beyond the scope of a physician, btw the way he is not a Psychiatrist, but something called an addiction speciialist..LOL...he runs in patient detox club meds for rich kids and Hollywood types, in addition to his reality show.
He has all but declared Jody as Guilty, in his clever weasel way.
You're likely correct in every point...Grace really pissed me off when she and Jane Velez Mitchell determined George Zimmerman was guilty, from day one....they led the lynchmob circus and actually might have added to the hysteria and made things worse in Sanford, FL....Finally in order to control myself, i had to realize it's all ENTERTAINMENT....like a Carnival......And Dr. Drew, you really have to give him credit, to manuever his cheesy diploma into the millions he is likely making.....I myself, alway's thought i might have a television future as....Celebrity Family Sex Therapist....though i have very little training...I've really got some great ideas...LOL....

“Do or do not. There is no try.”

Since: Feb 09

Location hidden

#395 Feb 23, 2013
CONFIRMED : Matt McCartney was involved in the forged paedophile letters.

SHANNA HOGAN, author of Picture Perfect [via phone with Jane Velez-Mitchell]: Yes. That was one of the most shocking moments in court. We've known about this for a while. She communicated with her ex boyfriend, Matthew McCartney, through jail and he was involved in creating these letters that were later proven to be forgeries. And that was the only substantial evidence that was given to produce her -- to back up her statement.

So when he gave his first interview to the attorneys, he gave a very different story. And Jodi needed him back into the jail to talk about her version of events so he could come back and support her claim. So it was -- it was basically her soliciting false testimony from behind bars.

“Do or do not. There is no try.”

Since: Feb 09

Location hidden

#396 Feb 23, 2013
Slayer wrote:
Does anyone reading this thread know if Napoleon was being cared for (fed) by one of the roommates after Travis was killed? Since the roommates believed Travis was travelling to Cancun surely he had arrangements for someone to check on Napoleon.
Does anyone know? Poor little pug, sure he was traumatized. Five days is a long time for a little dog to be left alone with his master's dead body.
It was said that the doggy gate was up at the bottom of the stairs, so the dog couldn't roam around up there. One of the roommates said that it was odd because Travis never used that gate and let Napoleon roam around freely.
LA Guy

United States

#397 Feb 23, 2013
wheezy_1969 wrote:
CONFIRMED : Matt McCartney was involved in the forged paedophile letters.
SHANNA HOGAN, author of Picture Perfect [via phone with Jane Velez-Mitchell]: Yes. That was one of the most shocking moments in court. We've known about this for a while. She communicated with her ex boyfriend, Matthew McCartney, through jail and he was involved in creating these letters that were later proven to be forgeries. And that was the only substantial evidence that was given to produce her
Shannon Hogan has little cred as a author, a thin resume, trying to bank...formely reporting on Hockey Games, LOL...be suspicous of these type of books which get ginned up during high profile trials...I caught her briefly in an interview and she appeared an Angry type and on an anti everything Jody agenda

There is always plenty of dirt to dish out, but where are her revelations on Travis!

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#398 Feb 23, 2013
Slayer wrote:
Does anyone reading this thread know if Napoleon was being cared for (fed) by one of the roommates after Travis was killed? Since the roommates believed Travis was travelling to Cancun surely he had arrangements for someone to check on Napoleon.
Does anyone know? Poor little pug, sure he was traumatized. Five days is a long time for a little dog to be left alone with his master's dead body.
I've only watched this trial occasionally...so, i have never heard anything about the dog, but would like to know more? I'm alway's upset when on COPS, they arrest someone and he has a dog and you wonder what happened to it....
Summer

Ringgold, GA

#399 Feb 23, 2013
Slayer wrote:
Does anyone reading this thread know if Napoleon was being cared for (fed) by one of the roommates after Travis was killed? Since the roommates believed Travis was travelling to Cancun surely he had arrangements for someone to check on Napoleon.
Does anyone know? Poor little pug, sure he was traumatized. Five days is a long time for a little dog to be left alone with his master's dead body.
The roommates took care of him. They were in the house when his body was upstairs. Napoleon is living with one of Travis' friends. He is a senior dog now. He's blind and deaf now, poor baby. They posted a recent pic of him on the Travis Alexander FB page.
Slayer

Albertville, AL

#400 Feb 24, 2013
help me please wrote:
<quoted text> slayer may i ask. How do you break up someones post so that i can reply the way you just did above.. You know,,,, where a paragraph is quoted then you respond and then move on to another .. Thanks for your help.
It's just elemental HTML (hypertext markup language) editing. Depending on where in a long post you want to add your comment, you close the quote from the other poster by putting (forward slash)/, no space and always between brackets []-- notice when you select 'Reply' how the poster's post ends. You can delete as much after as you want to. When you pick another section of the post to respond, you have to begin with -- open bracket [ no space, the word quote in all caps, space, who=(the name of person to whom you're responding in " " then the close bracket. Or, you can highlight and copy and paste, that works too. Just make certain you use [] brackets correctly.
US Sun

Lincoln, CA

#401 Feb 24, 2013
Any LE out there, who think there is more to the attack than just Jodi?
What about the following scenario?
TA did something violent and sexual just before he got in the shower.... he did and said something vile & extreme. She shot him, he fell ontop of her, and a roommate came in and stabbed him off of her. She told the roommate what Travis had done (whatever it was), and the roommate decided to atone him (old Mormon method)in the shower, so he would be free of his sins.
Then she was told that she was to leave and forget about any of it.
This could also explain why the friends were fairly calm on the 911 call, and why he was left there for 5 days.
US Sun

Lincoln, CA

#402 Feb 24, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text> I've only watched this trial occasionally...so, i have never heard anything about the dog, but would like to know more? I'm alway's upset when on COPS, they arrest someone and he has a dog and you wonder what happened to it....
There is a website with each trial day's video.
It's http://jodiariasisinnocent.com/
On the right-hand side there is a list.

You can also go to youtube and search by jodia arias trial.
Summer

Ringgold, GA

#403 Feb 24, 2013
https://www.facebook.com/Justice4Travis... Please join this page for Justice for Travis!!! Trolls will be deleted and blocked.
US Sun

Lincoln, CA

#404 Feb 24, 2013
From Slayer:
"Based on what I've seen, the jury has to get that Travis was not the man he portrayed himself to be, nor the man his friends thought he was. That's the info which will affect the verdict."
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Agree. And, people in the media and the public need to look at the facts regarding him. He was leading a double life.

“Do or do not. There is no try.”

Since: Feb 09

Location hidden

#405 Feb 25, 2013
It doesn't really matter if he lied or pretended to be something he wasn't.

Jodi Arias admitted to killing him in self defense.

The jury needs to either believe it was self defense or not.

This has nothing to do with whether she "snapped" or was so emotionally abused, she freaked out.

The prosecution claims that it was 'heinous and cruel crime' and the judge agreed, and that is why the death penalty is on there, still.

Arizona Law: 13-404. Justification; self-defense

A. Except as provided in subsection B of this section, a person is justified in threatening or using physical force against another when and to the extent a reasonable person would believe that physical force is immediately necessary to protect himself against the other's use or attempted use of unlawful physical force.

B. The threat or use of physical force against another is not justified:

1. In response to verbal provocation alone; or

2. To resist an arrest that the person knows or should know is being made by a peace officer or by a person acting in a peace officer's presence and at his direction, whether the arrest is lawful or unlawful, unless the physical force used by the peace officer exceeds that allowed by law; or

3. If the person provoked the other's use or attempted use of unlawful physical force, unless:

(a) The person withdraws from the encounter or clearly communicates to the other his intent to do so reasonably believing he cannot safely withdraw from the encounter; and

(b) The other nevertheless continues or attempts to use unlawful physical force against the person.
JUST WONDERING

Harrison, TN

#406 Feb 25, 2013
One of the things that I do not understand is exactly 'WHY' they keep making a big deal as to if her finger was really broken or not. Why not just send her to a doctor and have verified for certain instead of just going on and on about that one particular thing?

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