Jodi Arias claims self-defense as mur...

Jodi Arias claims self-defense as murder trial begins

There are 7233 comments on the KTVK Phoenix story from Jan 2, 2013, titled Jodi Arias claims self-defense as murder trial begins. In it, KTVK Phoenix reports that:

A defense attorney says an Arizona woman charged with stabbing and shooting her boyfriend to death in 2008 acted in self-defense because he was violent and abusive.

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Slayer

Childersburg, AL

#367 Feb 21, 2013
LA Guy wrote:
Slayer
Did you catch the interview with an interesting mature guy who knew Jody when she was at the pricey Ventana Resort in Big Sur. He was an intellectual high roller type, who Jody like to hang out with. He descried her as Enigmatic, and I feel that best describes her affect on the stand, which I do not feel is feigned.
Can't remember that guy's name, but I've seen him several times; he speaks as if he genuinely liked JA but he was leaning towards guilt. He's a brassy guy - believe he's the one you're referring to.'Enigmatic' is a wide word, can mean also anything positive or negative.

The other older guy is 'Gus Searcy' who works for Legal Shield and tentatively defends her. Gus has been on a few shows it looks like.
LA Guy wrote:
That being said, obviously she was not entirely truthfull on the stand.
Hell, now on HLN, streaming a clip of another body language expert, this one interpreting Jody's tears while on the stand (yes, tears), claiming some were genuine and others feigned...What a fckn circus of Charltans being promoted by the Media
All these 'experts' make for interesting entertainment but certainly doesn't serve justice well by trampling on the defendant's rights. I've heard defense attorneys say they would rather see 100 quilty people go free than see one innocent in prison -- I'd prefer to see a better use of real evidence -- course, defense attorneys can argue forever re:'what's real."
LA Guy

United States

#368 Feb 21, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text>Used to own a BAUER(US version of the Browning).25 Auto, very compact but when fired at the range, was alway's all over the place....22LR is a much better round, way faster, truer and easily and cheaply available.....if i recall, more people in the US are killed by 22LR, than any other ammo.....
Both deadly close up, but 22 LR a better round overall and a little more accurate at a longer distance. Both .25 cal and .22 LR available hollow nose and with high power loads. Both not bad for self defense, if one has some training. Both calibers in wide use nationwide.
LA Guy

United States

#369 Feb 21, 2013
Did not watch any live coverage today.

Just tuned into HLN and the first thing I am hearing from JVM is that Martinez was inappropriately yelling and that Jody held her own.
LA Guy

United States

#370 Feb 21, 2013
Slayer wrote:
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I saw that interview -- the friend of Travis said he would never have recommended a 22 caliber gun for home defense, and that if TA had bought any gun he would have told this particular gun-enthusiast friend. But Jodi had to provide an explanation for the gun -- she couldn't testify that she brought it with her, even if she explained it away as self defense on a long road trip (which I thought might have been her explanation).
Have to check this out...if he was shot by a .22 cal, all of this stuff about the burglary at Jody's grandfathers place is irrelevant.

Looking forward to your take on Martinez' style. JVM feels it may not play well for the jury. Particualraly with him raising his voice and calling her sister stupid.

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#371 Feb 21, 2013
LA Guy wrote:
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Both deadly close up, but 22 LR a better round overall and a little more accurate at a longer distance. Both .25 cal and .22 LR available hollow nose and with high power loads. Both not bad for self defense, if one has some training. Both calibers in wide use nationwide.
Alot of people bought the .25, because they could hide it easily on themselves...behind a wallet...etc....

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#372 Feb 21, 2013
LA Guy wrote:
Did not watch any live coverage today.
Just tuned into HLN and the first thing I am hearing from JVM is that Martinez was inappropriately yelling and that Jody held her own.
Seemed like Martinez was being aggresive and kinda mean, when he should have saved it for more important testimony....
LA Guy

United States

#373 Feb 21, 2013
Go Blue Forever wrote:
<quoted text>Seemed like Martinez was being aggresive and kinda mean, when he should have saved it for more important testimony....
His aggressive and let's face it, unlikeable nature, will only solidify those jurors sympathetic to Jody...Hung Jury

He might be great in taking on those liquor store armed robbers who kill, or for that matter murderer's for hire or profit motive, but with a batterd women who he was a very bad choice...one might say a gift for the defense.

Is "Go Blue" in reference to a Sports Team?
LA Guy

United States

#374 Feb 21, 2013
Will give Martinez credit for one thing, he is always sharp and right on target in his objetions on a legal basis, but at time should refrain from making many of them on a tacical bais. He also his heart in the case as an advocate for the Travis, who should be alive today.

The problem is that this case has been grossly overchaged. If she had been charged with Manslaghter, he would be on firm footing.

Jody's attorney's are hardly making any objections to Martinez' line of questioning, although they could and be sustained in many instances .. hey, they do not want to interrupt the harm he is doing to his case.
LA Guy

United States

#375 Feb 21, 2013
many typos in my above post, but they are obvious
My blue lilac

Clio, MI

#376 Feb 21, 2013
Pharmabill wrote:
<quoted text> Sorry, I think you are projecting about the ME. As they saying goes if you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen. He has been doing this job for sometime. He is experienced and more than used to seeing dead and brutalised bodies.
You don't say.

And if you spent all your time and energy trying to be conscious of what you might be projecting, you wouldn't get anything done.

I stand by my perception that I did see some horror in the medical examiner's eyes as he was describing his findings of Travis' horrible, horrible injuries. The medical examiner is human, too, dear. Even though this medical examiner has performed, according to his own court testimony, more than 6,OOO autopsies, he has deep feelings, too, esp. when he sees someone such as poor Travis who was so viciously brutalized and murdered.

"The eyes are the gateway to the soul."

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#377 Feb 22, 2013
LA Guy wrote:
<quoted text>
His aggressive and let's face it, unlikeable nature, will only solidify those jurors sympathetic to Jody...Hung Jury
He might be great in taking on those liquor store armed robbers who kill, or for that matter murderer's for hire or profit motive, but with a batterd women who he was a very bad choice...one might say a gift for the defense.
Is "Go Blue" in reference to a Sports Team?
...Michigan Wolverines....Martinez may be inadvertently turning jurors for Jodi, rather than againest...The pendalum on american courts has possibly swung too ar toward the defendents.....

Since: Oct 12

Location hidden

#378 Feb 22, 2013
BTW, many people on topix, think go blue is totally about politics...lol...
Slayer

Birmingham, AL

#379 Feb 22, 2013
LA Guy wrote:
Will give Martinez credit for one thing, he is always sharp and right on target in his objetions on a legal basis, but at time should refrain from making many of them on a tacical bais. He also his heart in the case as an advocate for the Travis, who should be alive today.
Tried to arrange some of yesterday to catch some live testimony: Jodi did well in response to most questions, except for a sly smile after telling Martinez that she had memory problems when men like him and Travis yelled at her. OK, that some a good comeback, but it would have been better if she had NOT smiled, which appeared as if she was congratulating herself for her good answer.

Testimony was slowed due to introduction of Jodi's personal journal, which was new and not previously introduced during discovery phase. Everyone had to wait for long periods as Jodi refreshed her memory as to what she had written.
LA Guy wrote:
The problem is that this case has been grossly overchaged. If she had been charged with Manslaghter, he would be on firm footing.
It wouldn't have been overcharged if the prosecution had enough clear evidence that she murdered TA out of sheer malice. Murder was especially vicious. A self defense claim would have been more believable if she hadn't stabbed him 27 times, shot him in the face, AND cut his throat to the spine. Several stabs could have incapacitated him so as to run away.

Jodi seemed more sorry the black pug, Napoleon, was left alone with the body for five days than hearing TA haven't been found for five days.
LA Guy wrote:
Jody's attorney's are hardly making any objections to Martinez' line of questioning, although they could and be sustained in many instances .. hey, they do not want to interrupt the harm he is doing to his case.
There were a lot of 'objections' from defense as to 'question asked and aswered.' Martinez was repeating questions she had answered. There were many 'sidebars' b/c new evidence was being introducted.

Martinez' cross did not flow well. Considering the defense put on an exhaustingly long diatribe from Jodi (probably to help the jury forget the prosecution's evidence), Martinez presentation was disjointed out of the box. Unless he was going to follow a ccomplete chronological approach, then he should have told the juy upfront what it was he was trying to establish: 1) Despite what JA was said -- Here are all the instances of JA being a liar; 2) Here are all the instances indicating JA is an absurdly jealous person; 3) Here are the instances where JA has tried to cover her tracks during road trip of rage.

To try and establish JA as a very jealous person, Martinez presented an example from when JA was 21 years old. JA drove a long distance to confront a young woman who she learned was possibly beginning a flirtation with her current squeeze. This young woman was afraid of Jodi and didn't want to talk with her fearing what Jodi would do to her.
Slayer

Birmingham, AL

#380 Feb 22, 2013
Will try to keep typos to minimum:

An example of cross questions, mentioned during rehash shows, that did not hit the mark for prosecution -- right out of the gate Martinez showed Jodi a photo of herself and her sister, saying during a taped phone call w/TA she had called her sister 'dumb.' Jodi answered, yes, "dumb and stupid." M. snapped back: "did I ask you if you called her stupid?"

What American sibling was NOT called another of their siblings 'dumb'? Imagine some of the jurors were saying to themselves,'I hope your cross examination is going to improve from here.'
Slayer

Birmingham, AL

#381 Feb 22, 2013
Evidence of JA sending a magazine out of her prison cell to an outside friend. The process to send was lengthy. Martinez introduced the magazine with a message written vertically in near crease margins of pages during cross.

JA had indicated page numbers of message in a sly way. Message was for a witness JA knew would be called for prosecution and JA wanted that person to meet with her beforehand to discuss what he would say b/c he had already provided info during investigation that did not correlate with hers.

This made her look as if she was trying to engineer his testimony.
LA Guy

United States

#382 Feb 22, 2013
Tried to arrange some of yesterday to catch some live testimony: Jodi did well in response to most questions, except for a sly smile after telling Martinez that she had memory problems when men like him and Travis yelled at her. OK, that some a good comeback, but it would have been better if she had NOT smiled, which appeared as if she was congratulating herself for her good answer.
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You see things most do not get. The sly smile spoke legions as to her personality and resolve. It coud endear some jurors on her side and harden the others.
As to objections, Asked and Answered, one my favorites. My GF
does not like it when I use it with her, nor just "next question".
Defense not opting for the "Arguementative" objection, why
when Martinez is a Gift Horse.. Martinez also trying to tesitfy, he loves to lead ... lol
Jody is highly intelligent, about 130 IQ .. what's you take on this. Admirable command of English, despite 11th grade education.
LA Guy

United States

#383 Feb 22, 2013
Slayer wrote:
Evidence of JA sending a magazine out of her prison cell to an outside friend. The process to send was lengthy. Martinez introduced the magazine with a message written vertically in near crease margins of pages during cross.
JA had indicated page numbers of message in a sly way. Message was for a witness JA knew would be called for prosecution and JA wanted that person to meet with her beforehand to discuss what he would say b/c he had already provided info during investigation that did not correlate with hers.
This made her look as if she was trying to engineer his testimony.
Talking legal heads claiming Martinez failed to take full advangage of this revealing piece of evidence. Martinez could have called the friend, no doubt they interviewed the friend who they felt may not be beneficial. Perhaps in rebuttal. I think it fell somewhat flat on the jury. Much of the points Martinez thinks he is making may fall into the dusty bin of footnotes. Bring on the battered female Expert Witnesses. Also, would not be surprised of defense forensics expert, one who may also tesitfy as to the Physics in this matter.
LA Guy

United States

#384 Feb 22, 2013
My blue lilac wrote:
<quoted text>You don't say.
And if you spent all your time and energy trying to be conscious of what you might be projecting, you wouldn't get anything done.
I stand by my perception that I did see some horror in the medical examiner's eyes as he was describing his findings of Travis' horrible, horrible injuries. The medical examiner is human, too, dear. Even though this medical examiner has performed, according to his own court testimony, more than 6,OOO autopsies, he has deep feelings"
Still are "projecting" .. PharmBill was correct.

The ME was robotic, like they all are. Overkill among
lovers all 101 for them. Also, a majority of the knife
wounds were superficial, not to dismiss the deadly few.

Would not be surprised an Expert may tesify on behalf of the defense as to this matter.
LA Guy

United States

#385 Feb 22, 2013
Damn, catching a few minutes, not sure if it is live or yesterday. Martinez all over the map, re JA Loving Her Mother or not, even parsing if it was past tense...he is so Nasty and unappealing, although I take note of what he is trying to do
Jody identifying a pic she took with her younger sister ... what a Babe ... wish they lived on my block when i was growing up

Now, Jody very soft spoken, misty eyed, over all of these comments about her family. Martinez rushing her, hardly not even allowing her time for her to answer. Losing respect for Martinez as an advocate, it looks like it's more about his little man distorted ego. Not satisfied with convicting Jody, but must Crush her.
Slayer

Birmingham, AL

#386 Feb 22, 2013
LA Guy wrote:
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Talking legal heads claiming Martinez failed to take full advangage of this revealing piece of evidence. Martinez could have called the friend, no doubt they interviewed the friend who they felt may not be beneficial. Perhaps in rebuttal. I think it fell somewhat flat on the jury. Much of the points Martinez thinks he is making may fall into the dusty bin of footnotes. Bring on the battered female Expert Witnesses. Also, would not be surprised of defense forensics expert, one who may also tesitfy as to the Physics in this matter.
TruTV recap show reminded me this friend was another female inmate (that's what I get for half-listening). The message had to do more with an interview with ABC News than info given to investigators. Either way,'talking heads' were right -- whole thing feel kinda flat, when it should have been a 'bombshell' as Nancy Grace says.

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