Empty sacred spaces become white elephants

Aug 19, 2012 | Posted by: Joe DeCaro | Full story: www.virtueonline.org

Hunger, health care, and urban violence are the usual subjects of concern when the Religious Leaders Council of Greater Philadelphia gathers for its semiannual meetings.

But at the spring 2011 session, a new topic was cast into the mix: real estate ...

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Hey, Einstein! You are the one who said you posted the material to make me look like an idiot ...
Not only did I never say that, it would also be redundant.

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Not only did I never say that, it would also be redundant.
Yeah, you did.

In post #10, above.

"I have two points: that David Virtue didn't write this story, and that you are clueless." - quoteth Joe "Boom Boom" DeCaro, the Roman Catholic pugilist.

A flyweight contender, he's so punch drunk, he can't remember what he wrote 5 posts ago!

Oh, sorry. You wrote "clueless" and I wrote that your one point of two was that I was an "idiot." How very "stupid" of me to so brazenly misrepresent the gist of your characterization. You must have meant that I was a smart idiot.

I know. Its tough to be so regularly and easily misunderstood.
Damned English language. Nobody ever says what they mean, anymore.

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Yeah, you did.
In post #10, above ...
Post #10 (from page 1, not 2):
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I have two points: that David Virtue didn't write this story, and that you are clueless.
What page of sheet music are you on?

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What page of sheet music are you on?
LMAO!!!....

That's right! Post #10 of this thread. The posts are numbered;

Your post #10, above in the sequence, to which I gave reference.

Go ahead. Act stupid if it blows your skirt up and that's what you like. Don't matter much, anyway.

As for the thread topic and your source, VirtueOnline, real estate issues are ancillary to Church ministry, anyway. VirtueOnline is just making mountains out of molehills like he generally always does. And then, you repeat his drivel here to try to make some useless point, trying to make TEC look bad.

9 of 300 Episcopal Churches recently closed in that Diocese.

So what? So not much.

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Go ahead. Act stupid if it blows your skirt up and that's what you like ...
Not only don't I think like you, Ken, I don't dress like you either.

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Not only don't I think like you, Ken, I don't dress like you either.
Do you wear a ‘teddy’ instead of a dress or do you stick with the more traditional black lace panties, fish net stockings, pointy black bra with black high heels?

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Do you wear a ‘teddy’ instead of a dress ...
"dress" is also a verb, McClueless.
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....Anyway, most of the members that we have been losing are people who are not comfortable letting go of their [previously] institutionalized hypocritical and bigoted doctrines. If you want these doctrines and views to be labeled "orthodox Anglicanism," go ahead, label them as such. But, that does not change the fact that the doctrine has been realized to be hypocritical and bigoted.
....Too bad. If you don't cotton to the truth.
Rev. Ken
Hypocritical and bigoted - but this is what the BCP says about how Episcopalians are to know truth taught by the Holy Spirit:

"Q. How do we recognize the truths taught by the Holy
Spirit?
A. We recognize truths to be taught by the Holy Spirit
when they are in accord with the Scriptures. "

So how do you reconcile your catechism with your novel ideas of the truths into which TEO is being led?

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... this is what the BCP says about how Episcopalians are to know truth taught by the Holy Spirit:
"Q. How do we recognize the truths taught by the Holy
Spirit?
A. We recognize truths to be taught by the Holy Spirit
when they are in accord with the Scriptures. "
The same way the noble Bereans did in Acts 17:11.

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Hypocritical and bigoted - but this is what the BCP says about how Episcopalians are to know truth taught by the Holy Spirit:
"Q. How do we recognize the truths taught by the Holy
Spirit?
A. We recognize truths to be taught by the Holy Spirit
when they are in accord with the Scriptures. "
So how do you reconcile your catechism with your novel ideas of the truths into which TEO is being led?
George,

I suppose, from your point of view, that this is a really good question.

But, I know you better than that. So, it is more appropriate that I answer your question with a question that you can answer that will answer your question without me having to step into your snare.

Better yet, I'll give you three questions. You choose whether or not to answer with a reply on this thread.

1. What do you suppose that St. Paul meant when he wrote that "We see through a glass, darkly...?"

2. How did the Roman "Magisterium" reconcile their catechism with the novel ideas of Galileo Galilei into which the Church of Rome was being led?

3. What is the simple, classic, scriptural definition of faith?

Rev. Ken
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George,
I suppose, from your point of view, that this is a really good question.
But, I know you better than that. So, it is more appropriate that I answer your question with a question that you can answer that will answer your question without me having to step into your snare.
Better yet, I'll give you three questions. You choose whether or not to answer with a reply on this thread.
1. What do you suppose that St. Paul meant when he wrote that "We see through a glass, darkly...?"
2. How did the Roman "Magisterium" reconcile their catechism with the novel ideas of Galileo Galilei into which the Church of Rome was being led?
3. What is the simple, classic, scriptural definition of faith?
Rev. Ken
I didn't expect an answer. One of the "bishops" from Pennsylvania answered it for you. He said: "the church wrote the Bible -- so the church can change it." I understand how that works - whatever kooky idea of the lunatic fringe can garner support from the guilt ridden 60's hippy generation is what passes for revelation.

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George,
I suppose, from your point of view, that this is a really good question.
But, I know you better than that. So, it is more appropriate that I answer your question with a question that you can answer that will answer your question without me having to step into your snare.
Better yet, I'll give you three questions. You choose whether or not to answer with a reply on this thread.
1. What do you suppose that St. Paul meant when he wrote that "We see through a glass, darkly...?"
2. How did the Roman "Magisterium" reconcile their catechism with the novel ideas of Galileo Galilei into which the Church of Rome was being led?
3. What is the simple, classic, scriptural definition of faith?
Rev. Ken
They are not here to learn, just to tear down.

What a waste..........

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I didn't expect an answer. One of the "bishops" from Pennsylvania answered it for you. He said: "the church wrote the Bible -- so the church can change it." I understand how that works - whatever kooky idea of the lunatic fringe can garner support from the guilt ridden 60's hippy generation is what passes for revelation.
What he said was true, as evidenced by early editions.

Facts always bite you in the butt.........
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What he said was true, as evidenced by early editions.
Facts always bite you in the butt.........
So then why does YOUR church teach?
"Q. Why do we call the Holy Scriptures the Word of God?
A. We call them the Word of God because God inspired
their human authors and because God still speaks to us
through the Bible."
So - even though inspired by God, we are free to alter Holy Scripture so long as a majority of the delegates at GC say it is OK? Or is this another of your church's teachings that you simply ignore if you have a personal revelation that is contradictory?

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So then why does YOUR church teach?
"Q. Why do we call the Holy Scriptures the Word of God?
A. We call them the Word of God because God inspired
their human authors and because God still speaks to us
through the Bible."
So - even though inspired by God, we are free to alter Holy Scripture so long as a majority of the delegates at GC say it is OK? Or is this another of your church's teachings that you simply ignore if you have a personal revelation that is contradictory?
There's a difference between inspired and written by God....
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There's a difference between inspired and written by God....
I agree but that is no answer to the question.

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I agree but that is no answer to the question.
What's the matter, George?

You say you didn't expect an answer. But you got one, anyway, in the form of three ideas that require you to formulate either a reply or an answer within your own understanding. Which did you choose? I'm curious.

Then you said that another Episcopal bishop answered for me. But, his was hardly the answer my questions should have evoked in you.

I made a reference to St. Paul's own characterization of his comprehension of reality and truth in scripture.

I made a reference to the truth that G. Galileo realized and made known to the public, only to be forced into submission and retraction of his thesis by the Roman Church. The Church, as you may know, gave a half-assed apology and an acknowledgment of Galileo's truth only in the last decade, 500 years later.

Third, I asked for your review of the uncomplicated definition of Faith. There is a simple scriptural quote:...substance of things hoped for,... etc. I was hoping that you would acknowledge the implications of this definition as it relates to the immutability of Church doctrine and the stubborn aspects of Tradition that historically persist in spite of finding that scripture was or is inadequate or is flat out wrong about some things.

Maybe I expected too much from you. Though, in my own mind and heart, I believe that you are more than capable of providing a cogent point of view that recognizes that there must be - must be - inadequacies in scripture, even if we do call it the "word or Word of God," "God's word or Word" or "Biblical Truth."

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What's the matter, George?
You say you didn't expect an answer. But you got one, anyway, in the form of three ideas that require you to formulate either a reply or an answer within your own understanding. Which did you choose? I'm curious.
Then you said that another Episcopal bishop answered for me. But, his was hardly the answer my questions should have evoked in you.
I made a reference to St. Paul's own characterization of his comprehension of reality and truth in scripture.
I made a reference to the truth that G. Galileo realized and made known to the public, only to be forced into submission and retraction of his thesis by the Roman Church. The Church, as you may know, gave a half-assed apology and an acknowledgment of Galileo's truth only in the last decade, 500 years later.
Third, I asked for your review of the uncomplicated definition of Faith. There is a simple scriptural quote:...substance of things hoped for,... etc. I was hoping that you would acknowledge the implications of this definition as it relates to the immutability of Church doctrine and the stubborn aspects of Tradition that historically persist in spite of finding that scripture was or is inadequate or is flat out wrong about some things.
Maybe I expected too much from you. Though, in my own mind and heart, I believe that you are more than capable of providing a cogent point of view that recognizes that there must be - must be - inadequacies in scripture, even if we do call it the "word or Word of God," "God's word or Word" or "Biblical Truth."
Rev. Ken
Brilliant and way over the head of Georgiekins...

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I agree but that is no answer to the question.
So is it inspired or did God write it?
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So is it inspired or did God write it?
I believe it to have been inspired by God but whether it was "merely" inspired by God or was even more definitively directed, does that make you and your ilk free to change it to coincide with your freaky predelictions?

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