Local Teenage Girl Wants To Be Boy

Local Teenage Girl Wants To Be Boy

There are 280 comments on the NBC 10 Philadelphia story from Sep 1, 2008, titled Local Teenage Girl Wants To Be Boy. In it, NBC 10 Philadelphia reports that:

A 13-year-old from South Jersey recently chose to reveal to a national audience that he's transgendered.

Join the discussion below, or Read more at NBC 10 Philadelphia.

BLO

Berlin, CT

#154 Sep 18, 2008
Zoe Brain wrote:
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Oh, you ain't seen nuthin!
There's AIS - androgen insensitivity syndrome - which feminises genetic males. CAIS - complete AIS - feminises them completely. Miss Teen America 1991 had CAIS.
There's CAH - congenital adrenal hyperplasia - which masculinises genetic females. So much so that 1 in 10 end up being male. Most just have enlarged clitorises. Others are just normal women with the terribly distressing condition of being "well hung".
Swyers Syndrome - genetic males with almost complete female reproductive systems. They can give birth, but only as surrogate mothers.
5ARD and 17BHDD - both of those cause genetic males to look female at birth, but masculinise later. They get an involuntary sex change like me. 2/3 of the time they're boys (ie have boy brains), and think it's great to have the right body. 1/3 of the time they're girls (ie have girl brains), and then it's a descent into nightmare, and a medical emergency requiring immediate surgery and hormone therapy. Or they tend to kill themselves.
Transsexuality - Male brain in female body or the reverse. Often in conjunction with other Intersex conditions too. Depending on the degree, will usually require hormones, and may require surgery. There are many legal problems in transition.
There's hundreds of such conditions. Hundreds of thousands affected in the USA alone. Revealing such a condition can be dangerous though. It increases the chance of being murdered by a factor of 17.
People can be fired for being Transsexual in 37 states. Neither Intersexed nor Transsexual people are covered by Federal hate crime legislation, despite being targeted (on a per capita basis) more often than any other group. Higher than Blacks were in the Deep South in 1920.
This is why stories like this are so important. We're not hiding any more. That has led to a (hopefully) temporary doubling of violence against TS people (especially minors) in the last 2 years, as we've had more publicity, but hopefully will lead to less violence in the future. With the Real ID act and other legislation, hiding isn't possible any more anyway.
Feel free to ask more questions. S'Aright?
You are so wrong their. Transsexuality is not an intersex condition and an intersex diagnosis overrules a transsexual diagnosis.Intersex is not the same as transgender and for the one billionth time transgender is not a subset of the intersex and transgender is not part of the intersex

“Bullish on Equal Rights”

Since: Dec 06

Rocky Mountains

#155 Sep 18, 2008
BLO wrote:
<quoted text>
You are so wrong their. Transsexuality is not an intersex condition and an intersex diagnosis overrules a transsexual diagnosis.Intersex is not the same as transgender and for the one billionth time transgender is not a subset of the intersex and transgender is not part of the intersex
I will side with Zoe, the sane IS person, not you, Nicky, the insane IS, insecure one who can't even decide what/who you are.
BLO

Berlin, CT

#156 Sep 18, 2008
Technically anyone who has a diagnosed intersexed condition, is to never be identified or qualify to meet a transsexual diagnosis. The intersexed condition overrules, a TS diagnosis. Now those Guidelines for meeting a TS diagnosis are very old, but they were meant to be used for clearly biological men or women who felt they were in the wrong body. <---the simple version. Now having an intersexed condition, could also be used to explain having a Gender Identity Disorder, but when that was used it was also called having a Gender Identity Disorder due to an Intersexed Condition, and those patients were still labelled as Intersexed and not as Transsexual, the Transsexual diagnosis was never meant to be used on anyone who has an Intersexed condition. Should a intersexed person choose to Reasign there Gender to the gender appropriate to them, or if a doctor or parent chose to have a child's gender changed, the surgery was reffered to as Gender Reasignment Surgery (GRS), that terminology only applied to the intersexed, and what ever surgery to assign the gender of a child, or person was legally recognised as that persons official legal gender, and that was all medically found to be socially acceptable, final word of law. you were a boy or girl, if that is what the doctors assigned you as.

The issue about whether a person is Trans or IS, was never to be used together. Legally, a person who is IS is whatever the final Gender is assigned as, unfortunately, for the TS, there was no corresponding acceptance for a sex reassigned adult, and many states have chosen to not recognise there final gender as legally binding. this is also currently changing, people are trying to get gender status protected, recognised, itll be a few more years i think before all states get with the program.

Stilll though all in all, If a person has an intersexed condition, then they are and will always be intersexed, and are not Transsexual.
BLO

Berlin, CT

#157 Sep 18, 2008
As for the uninformed people who are TS, they just need to know and understand that the word Intersexed is and and always has been an umbrella term used to describe people born with genetic, hormonal, variations that make them not appear as normal boys and girls. There is no thought pattern for an intersexed person that makes them male or female-because we are who we are, and for those of us with gender issues, that is due to the care we have received by surgeons, not society. Meaning it is doctors that made us/surgically assigned us into a gender that doesn't fit.

If a person has an intersexed condition, it will rule out/ overrule/ disqualify a person from qualifying from a Transsexual diagnosis. Under no circumstances is a Intersexed person ever expected to be held to the HBSoC guidelines to reassign. The only recommendations the HBSoC ever had for intersexed people was a recommendation for proper endocrine studies to ensure the health of the person. None of the other standards were meant to be used a person who is intersexed.
JOHN

Media, PA

#158 Sep 18, 2008
UMMM WHAT!!!
I read about 1 line of the last 2 posts, do you think you could summerize or give us a chilton's manual!!!! Our attention spans arn't that long.

“dyssonance hotmail”

Since: Mar 07

Phoenix, AZ

#159 Sep 18, 2008
Don't mind Nicky.

Shes gt major health and mental issues and we just sorta let her have her distractions.
BLO

Berlin, CT

#160 Sep 18, 2008
Don't mind the SHIM/Pervert brigade because they are all delusional to the point to having you believe that they are right when in fact they are wrong and so messed up in the head
Tri

North Wales, PA

#161 Sep 18, 2008
Mentally unbalanced people, once again.
Redneck

Cambridge, MD

#162 Sep 18, 2008
Waaaa...this kid needs a good ole fashioned trip to the woodshed. Sit down, shut up and go to school. there is to much pandering to these little kids....I want this I want that...thats not fair...I'm calling the police/social services, etc. Children have more rights than the parents....only people with more rights are the criminals.....kids can listen to some song about a girls kissing a girl, but can't read the bible in school.....I'm no religious fanatic but the morals of this country have been eroded by the need to be politically correct and pander to every special intrest group. Enough is enough.
Ttm

Jersey City, NJ

#163 Sep 18, 2008
The Inventor wrote:
Just let him/her hang out in the water at the NJ beaches - sooner or later he'll grow a new appendage, or one will wash up on shore that he can use.
I'm sorry but this was pretty damn funny
she

Jersey City, NJ

#164 Sep 18, 2008
republican_bob wrote:
if the surgery didnt happen yet, SHE is the right pronoun. If you want to get hyper-technical. NO Y CHROMOSOME MEANS IT'S A SHE!
you can strap a beak on a bull it still ain't a hen.
good one bob

Since: Jul 08

Canberra

#165 Sep 18, 2008
NO Y CHROMOSOME MEANS IT'S A SHE!
See
Vorona E, Zitzmann M, Gromoll J, Schüring AN, Nieschlag E.

Clinical, endocrinological, and epigenetic features of the 46,XX male syndrome, compared with 47,XXY Klinefelter patients. J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2007 Sep;92(9):3458-65

That's at http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17579198...

But they're only medics and scientists, what do they know?

“Peace”

Since: Feb 08

Earth

#166 Sep 18, 2008
BLO wrote:
<quoted text>
You are so wrong their. Transsexuality is not an intersex condition and an intersex diagnosis overrules a transsexual diagnosis.Intersex is not the same as transgender and for the one billionth time transgender is not a subset of the intersex and transgender is not part of the intersex
Nick or is it Nikie today?
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there are many experts that disagree with you
http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/journals/DeakinL...
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“Peace”

Since: Feb 08

Earth

#167 Sep 19, 2008
BLO wrote:
<quoted text>
You are so wrong their. Transsexuality is not an intersex condition and an intersex diagnosis overrules a transsexual diagnosis.Intersex is not the same as transgender and for the one billionth time transgender is not a subset of the intersex and transgender is not part of the intersex
Here is a bit more news for you Nick.
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The United Kingdom Intersex Association (UKIA) is an education, advocacy, campaigning and support organisation which works on behalf of intersexed people.

Intersexed people are individuals born with anatomy or physiology which differs from contemporary ideals of what constitutes "normal" male and female.
http://www.ukia.co.uk/
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((((UKIA wishes to thank ISNA, CISAE and Professor Milton Diamond for support and assistance))))
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Now As UKIA Thanks Professor Milton Diamond,, what does he have to say about transsexuals being intersexed?
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Professor Milton Diamond, Director of the John A Burns School of Medicine, University of Hawaii, has probably done more to research the intricacies of sexual formation and identity than any other single person.
Transsexuals, who I believe are intersexed, have the body and genitals of one sex and the brain of the other making reconciliation of their sexual and gender identities problematic.
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Also as mentioned at the top UKIA states :
Intersexed people are individuals born with anatomy or physiology which differs from contemporary ideals of what constitutes "normal" male and female.
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Now what is physiology?
Human physiology is the science of the mechanical, physical, and biochemical functions of humans in good health, their organs, and the cells of which they are composed.
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Systems

Traditionally, the academic discipline of physiology views the body as a collection of interacting systems, each with its own combination of functions and purposes.

System Clinical study Physiology
The nervous system consists of the central nervous system (which is the brain and spinal cord) and peripheral nervous system. The brain is the organ of thought, emotion, and sensory processing, and serves many aspects of communication and control of various other systems and functions. The special senses consist of vision, hearing, taste, and smell. The eyes, ears, tongue, and nose gather information about the body's environment.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_physiology
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Perhapps you need to study a bit more Nick
clone benson

Bryan, OH

#168 Sep 19, 2008
its a wonder some think there dracula, or satan,no difference in my world,denighing who you are is what your born with is living a lie,but the only judgement you'll get is gods,whoa unto you,infintdulls

Since: Jul 08

Canberra

#169 Sep 19, 2008
clone benson wrote:
its a wonder some think there dracula, or satan,no difference in my world,denighing who you are is what your born with is living a lie,but the only judgement you'll get is gods,whoa unto you,infintdulls
(F)
they're
denying
you're
God's
woe
infidels
John

Lexington Park, MD

#170 Sep 19, 2008
Sometimes it just stinks that an intelligent and informative string of posts can just go to pot by one or two closed minded idiots.
BLO

Berlin, CT

#171 Sep 19, 2008
Wrong again and this is why the TS community is a f*cked up. You all want to be intersex because the grass is greener and the fact that intersex people get better sympathy than you freaks and weirdos put together.

Technically anyone who has a diagnosed intersexed condition, is to never be identified or qualify to meet a transsexual diagnosis. The intersexed condition overrules, a TS diagnosis. Now those Guidelines for meeting a TS diagnosis are very old, but they were meant to be used for clearly biological men or women who felt they were in the wrong body. <---the simple version. Now having an intersexed condition, could also be used to explain having a Gender Identity Disorder, but when that was used it was also called having a Gender Identity Disorder due to an Intersexed Condition, and those patients were still labelled as Intersexed and not as Transsexual, the Transsexual diagnosis was never meant to be used on anyone who has an Intersexed condition. Should a intersexed person choose to reassign there Gender to the gender appropriate to them, or if a doctor or parent chose to have a child's gender changed, the surgery was reffered to as Gender Reasignment Surgery (GRS), that terminology only applied to the intersexed, and what ever surgery to assign the gender of a child, or person was legally recognised as that persons official legal gender, and that was all medically found to be socially acceptable, final word of law. you were a boy or girl, if that is what the doctors assigned you as.
http://www.bodieslikeours.org/forums/showpost...

In my opinion there is no assumption that there is anything less valid when it comes to comparing IS and TS. But I do get tired of hearing when a TS repeats "they wish they were IS, because we get treated better, family accepts us, people in society understand easier, and accept too" I truely believe those comments are the ones that kick me the hardest as I do not have that accepts from my parents, and it is the doctors who have treated me the worst.

Oh and no technically, the Intersexed condition overrules a person from being Diagnosed as Transsexual, and again, I am quoting the HBSoC, Not the DSM, because the DSM, merged, lumped a person with an intersexed condition into the 302.6 GIDNOS for no other reason then to keep the patient/client from finding out that they had an intersexed condition. The use of GIDNOS, was used instead of following normal DSM guidelines labeling a mental condition dx first followed by the DX for the medical health condition. <--------that is why GIDNOS is used for a person who has an intersexed condition. It wasn't about lumping them together, or calling them the same, it was about keeping the client/person from knowing the intersexed condition.
http://www.bodieslikeours.org/forums/showpost...
BLO

Berlin, CT

#172 Sep 19, 2008
In US Medical history on Transexuality, Intersexed means Intersexed, and rules out a Transsexual Diagnosis period. The DSM-4 does not say that the intersexed and transexual's is the same, what it says is that if a intersexed condition is present then the psychiatric profession should label them as 302.6 GIDNOS the "GID" in GIDNOS is the only thing that is similar, but that does not make them the same. As again, the DSM breaks away from using normal DSM coding format by labeling the mental DX first, followed by the medical Dx when it comes to an intersexed condition. <-----that is where it is different, By using the GIDNOS it basically states that an underlying intersexed condition rules out a GID Dx, that is all, which just means that having an intersexed condition makes a person not fit the Transexual deffinition for GID(the word they use to describe Transexual's)GID is just a word that replaces Transsexual, it is sort of like saying, THE DSM-4 says that an intersexed person doesn't qualify as TRANSEXUAL; but can be listed as being sort of TRANSEXUAL similar to the variants. Sort of like we are lumped in with the crossdressors, but aren't crossdressors either. But the GIDNOS can be used as a Dx, and that is probably the one biggest mistake that is in the DSM.
http://www.bodieslikeours.org/forums/showpost...
BLO

Berlin, CT

#173 Sep 19, 2008
As for the uninformed people who are TS, they just need to know and understand that the word Intersexed is and and always has been an umbrella term used to describe people born with genetic, hormonal, variations that make them not appear as normal boys and girls. There is no thought pattern for an intersexed person that makes them male or female-because we are who we are, and for those of us with gender issues, that is due to the care we have recieved by surgouns, not society. Meaning it is doctors that made us/surgically assigneed us into a gender that doesn't fit.

Sorrry again, as this thread is actually annoying me, and i will repeat one last time, If a person has an intersexed condition, it will rule out/ overrule/ disqualify a person from qualifying from a Transsexual diagnosis. Under no circumstances is a Intersexed person ever expected to be held to the HBSoC guidelines to reassign. The only reccomendations the HBSoC ever had for intersexed people was a reccomdation for proper endocrine studies to ensure the health of the person. None of the other standards were meant to be used a person who is intersexed.

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