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There are 126 comments on the Suria story from May 4, 2013, titled Catholic Church seeks to regain power in.... In it, Suria reports that:

In cathedrals around the Philippines, huge black and red banners are asking the faithful to choose between "Team Life" and "Team Death", with priests warning the nation's soul is at stake.

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ELIAS IBARRA

Yigo, Guam

#1 May 5, 2013
Roman Catholic leaders in the Philippines are all air and farts!!! They have no discipline:

“The INC does have discipline and its leaders do keep themselves very low-key, something that we wish our own Catholic bishops would learn to do…”

Reference: Paredes, Ducky. Malaya, Feb. 19, 2003.

Not only are Catholic leaders lacking in discipline but they do all kinds of heresies!!! A Roman Catholic book divulged the ugly manners of Roman Catholic priests:

"That all priests do not practice all the virtues, that some have fallen into the grave and scandalous error, is a fact which no serious person could deny. From the earliest days priests have been guilty even of heresy, indeed, all the heresies of Christendom have been started and promoted by priests..."

Reference:(Whereon To Stand: What Catholics Believe And Why, pp. 240-241)

It is clear from the Catholic book that priests do not practice virtues but grave and scandalous immoralities including heresy, and all the heresies of Christendom have been started and promoted by priests!!!

Now, compare the churches of the talkative "lolong bishops" with that of the disciplined Iglesia ni Cristo:

“While in the past the Catholic churches dominated the skyline in large population centers, now the huge Cathedral chapels of the Iglesia ni Cristo have risen to challenge, so to speak, the dominance of the Catholic churches.

Architecturally well-designed, solidity built, painted, with manicured lawns and always looking clean, they dramatically contrast with the ancient, still strong but drab-looking Catholic Churches.”

Reference:(Manila: History, People And Culture, p.93)

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Yigo, Guam

#2 May 5, 2013
According to the thread, "Another survey in February this year by the Social Weather Stations also found waning religiosity among those who classify themselves as Catholics, with only 29 percent considering themselves "very religious".

Weekly church attendance has also fallen sharply, from 64 percent of Catholic adults in 1991 to 37 percent this year, according to the survey."

Granting without conceding that 80 percent of the Philippine population of 92 million are Roman Catholics, then, those 29 percent who are "very religious and worship graven images" would be just this number:

92 million X 80 percent = 73,600,000

Roman Catholics in the Philippines would just number about 73,600,000!!! Now, if only 29 percent of them are "very religious and worship graven images", then, total devout Roman Catholic population in the Philippines would just be:

73,600,000 X 29 percent = 21,344,000

Take notice that children in Roman Catholic families outnumber adults and they are non-voters!!! So, if we take away children as non-voters, then, devout Catholics who are voters would just be more or less 10 million!!!

The question now is whether this 10 million devout Roman Catholics would vote for the candidates endorsed by the Vatican Church!!! For sure they will not!!! And even if they will succeed in convincing 50 percent of them, 5 million devout Catholics would still be unable to make a supported candidate win!!! There is still a need to convince the non-devout Catholics to go with them!!!

But there is a big problem facing the Church of Mary seen everywhere at the same time!!! According to political scientist Edna Co, from the state-run University of the Philippines, "many Filipinos had come to believe they could still be good Catholics while being less obedient to its teachings".

"Some people are thinking more independently these days, regardless of the Catholic Church," she said.

"There is a line drawn between your faith and a social issue: that is how a lot of Filipino Catholics think."

Father Melvin Castro, executive secretary of the Catholic Bishops Conference of the Philippines' commission on family life, blamed mass media and the Internet for weakening church influence on Filipinos.

"Just imagine what they hear or what they read: the values or lack of values they imbibe. They go to church only once a week... but compare that to the time they spend on the Internet or with traditional media," he told AFP.

The Roman Catholic Church in the Philippines would continue to wane in her power and influence!!! It is crumbling to pieces abd feces!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Yigo, Guam

#3 May 5, 2013
According to the thread that "Father Melvin Castro, executive secretary of the Catholic Bishops Conference of the Philippines' commission on family life, blamed mass media and the Internet for weakening church influence on Filipinos."

"Just imagine what they hear or what they read: the values or lack of values they imbibe. They go to church only once a week... but compare that to the time they spend on the Internet or with traditional media," he told AFP.

Now, compare the Catholic faithfuls with the members of the Iglesia ni Cristo!!! A lot of good things have been said and written about the Iglesia Ni Cristo over the years. Indeed, the Church's successes have made quite an impression to people of other faiths from the past to the present. What follows is just one of what they said that the true Church of Christ is 'Strong and well-managed':

"Why is it that everytime we get to talking about a strong and well-managed, disciplined and powerful church, we invariably point to the Iglesia Ni Cristo?

"We would even heave a sigh and wonder what makes the INC so influential. What makes its members so committed and disciplined that they attend services twice a week without fail?"

Reference:[Bodegon, Joel L. The Isaiah Paradigm: Recapturing the Role of the Laity, p. 116]

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Yigo, Guam

#4 May 5, 2013
A Roman Catholic priest made a damning statement with regards to Roman Catholic faithfuls in the Philippines!!! According to the thread "Melvin Castro, executive secretary of the Catholic Bishops Conference of the Philippines' commission on family life, blamed mass media and the Internet for weakening church influence on Filipinos."

"Just imagine what they hear or what they read: the values or lack of values they imbibe. They go to church only once a week... but compare that to the time they spend on the Internet or with traditional media," he told AFP.

Now, compare things that were said about priests and popes:

"That all priests do not practice all the virtues, that some have fallen into the grave and scandalous error, is a fact which no serious person could deny. From the earliest days priests have been guilty even of heresy, indeed, all the heresies of Christendom have been started and promoted by priests..."

Reference:(Whereon To Stand: What Catholics Believe And Why, pp. 240-241)

"On October 30, 1501, Burchard described a dinner in the apartment of Caesar in the Vatican at which fifty naked Roman harlots chased chestnuts that were scattered over the floor, while Pope Alexander (VI) and Lucrezia looked on with amusement."

Reference: Reference:(Paul Williams, Everything You Always Wanted to Know About the Catholic Church But Were Afraid to Ask For Fear of Excommunication. New York: Doubleday, 1989, p.19)

Is it obvious why the power and influence of the "Church of Mary Seen Everywhere" is waning???

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
rondude

Pittsburgh, PA

#5 May 5, 2013
youtube.com/watch... ………
excuses,,Catholics are farth
ELIAS IBARRA

Yigo, Guam

#6 May 5, 2013
According to the thread:"Father Melvin Castro, executive secretary of the Catholic Bishops Conference of the Philippines' commission on family life, blamed mass media and the Internet for weakening church influence on Filipinos."

"Just imagine what they hear or what they read: the values or lack of values they imbibe. They go to church only once a week... but compare that to the time they spend on the Internet or with traditional media," he told AFP.

But the real reason is not the INTERNET!!! It is the Roman Catholic and Protestant's preaching of a doctrine without understanding:

"The Trinity is a wonderful mystery. No one understands it. The most learned theologian, the holiest Pope, the greatest saint, all are mystified by it as a child of seven."

Reference:[Martin J. Scott, S.J., God and Myself, Nhil Obstat: Arthurus J. Scanlan, S.T.D., Imprimatur: Joannes Cardinalis Farley (P.J. Kenedy and Sons, 1917), pp. 118-119.]

WATCH OUT FOR THE COMING "COLOSSAL RACKETS" OF THE SPURIOUS RELIGIONS!!! DRIVE THEM AWAY FROM YOUR HOMES!!!

WORKINGMEN OF ALL COUNTRIES UNITE!!! PEASANTS AND PROFESSIONALS UNITE!!! SMASH TO IGNOMINY AND DEFEAT THE EVILS OF THESE SPURIOUS RELIGIONS:

Roman Catholics, United Church of Christ in the Philippines, Philippine General Council of Assemblies of God, Philippines For Jesus Movement, Atheists, United Methodist Church Philippines, General Assembly of Presbyterian Church in the Philippines, Convention of Philippine Baptist Churches, Protestants, Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, Bereans, "Ang Dating Tumbong Doon" K.Y.J. Eli Fernando Soriano, Baptists, Philippine Council of Evangelical Churches, Seventh-day Adventists, Evangelicals, Charismatics, Spurious Born-again, Presbyterians, Orthodox, Aglipayans, 700 Bar Club members, Episcopalians, Methodists, Branch Davidians, members of European and American cults, Skeptics, Agnostics, and those outside of the true Church of Christ (Iglesia ni Cristo).

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Yigo, Guam

#7 May 5, 2013
The ex-Catholic priest, Adrian Hastings, stated that the "Church of Mary Seen Everywhere" is:

"Church of sinners and of fools."

Reference:(Hastings, Adrian. In Filial Disobedience, p. 126.)

"the power of the Church (Catholic) has been used in history to do the devil's work."

Reference:(Hastings, Adrian. In Filial Disobedience, p. 127.)

While a professorial lecturer at the Roman Catholic's San Carlos Seminary had this to say:

"In contemporary history one is reminded again of the scandals in the center of Roman Catholicism. Bank scandals, counterfeiting, laundering of Mafia money from illegal business,(Narcotics, prostitution, kidnapping, etc.) name it you have it, kickbacks, hidden wealth-connections with the Mafia, the CIA, Communists and subtle hypocritical connections within the P2 (Propaganda Due-a secret and powerful Masonic Group headed by Licio Gelli).

"The graft and corruption involves billions of dollars. All these eventually leads to the untimely and tragic death of Pope John 1 (Albino Cardinal Luciani) who occupied the papacy for only 33 days ending on September 28, 1978. Research and formal investigations show evidences to murder!"

Reference:(Fajardo, Reynaldo T. Bulletin Today, April 16, 1986, p. 8.)

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Yigo, Guam

#8 May 5, 2013
Now Showing: The Corpse Synod

Cast of Characters: All Scarecrow Worshippers

Theme: What One Infallible Pope, Under The Spell Of A Very Vengeful And Very Fallible Woman, Did To Another Infallible But Dead Pope

"THE BIG EYE-OPENER for her had been in March 897. Agiltruda, the queen mother of Spoleto, took her by the hand to the Lateran Palace. They stood outside in the bright sunshine with a crowd of Romans. Inside, the reigning pope, Stephen VI (nicknamed 'the Trembler' by his contemporaries because of his nervous disease), surrounded by his cardinals and bishops, conducted a trial. Agiltruda, a Lombard, with her luxuriant blond hair, blue eyes, impressive stature, and imperious voice, wanted everyone, inclding the child Marozia, to witness the degradation of her most foul enemy, a dead pope, A Corsican, Formosus by name. Pope Formosus had deprived Agiltruda's son of his due honor by crowning instead a hated German, Arnulf, as Holy Roman emperor in February 896.

"Agiltruda had led an army, seized Rome, and installed herself in Hadrian's Mausoleum. But Emperor Arnulf had sent packing home to Spoleto, breathing vengeance and hate. Pope Formosus had then set out at the head of his own army to capture Agiltruda's beloved Spoleto. But he died of a stroke (or perhaps Agiltruda's poison) on April 4, 896, and was buried in Rome as befitted a pope. The next pope, Boniface VI, was put on the throne by armed Roman citizens. Within fifteen days Agiltruda made sure Boniface was stone dead (after all, before becoming pope, he had been twice defrocked for unseemly behavior). She then put her own creature on the throne as Pope Stephen VII. Everyone, including Agiltruda, knew that Stephen was insane and subject to violent paroxysms of black rage. He was therefore perfect for Agiltruda's scheme.

"The venom and malice of that scheme was monumental. Formosus had been dead and buried for over eleven months. On Agiltruda's suggestion, Pope Stephen had the rotting corpse dug up, brought to the Lateran Palace, clothed in pontifical vestments, placed sitting on a papal throne, and then tried for capital crimes by Stephen and his cardinal and bishops. This was the famous Corpse Synod. Agiltruda had looked forward to it for a long time. This was why she came to the Lateran Palace with Marozia. This was why she was smiling and gay.

"Inside the synod, all went according to plan. Pope Stephen himself and a papal accuser cross-examined the rotting corpse (a trembling eighteen year-old deacon stood beside the corpse and answered for the voiceless Formosus). The conviction came when Pope Stephen, livid with fury, shouted:'Why did you usurp the See of the Apostles?' And the young deacon answered for the dead Formosus:'Because I was evil.' At that crucial confession, Cardinals Sergius, Benedict, Paschalis, Leo John, and the others rushed on the corpse, ripped the pontifical vestments from it, tore off the first three fingers of the right hand (Formosus, like every pope, gave the papal blessing with those three fingers), and then dragged the corpse from the hall.

"Marozia was there as the cardinals and clergy dragged the corpse out of the palace and along the streets. The shouts of the crowd, the smell of the putrefying flesh, the stones and the mud she and the others threw at the corpse did not let up at all. And then there was the dull splash as they threw the remains of Formosus into the River Tiber. Pope Stephen then sent the three torn fingers to Agiltruda, by the hand of Cardinal Sergius. This was Agiltruda's request. As the cardinal gave her these grisly trophies, he noticed the child by her side. Their eyes met. It was the first meeting between the two, but far from the last. She was then six, he thirty-six."

Reference: Malachi Martin, The Decline and Fall of the Roman Church, pp. 101-102)

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
QUITTNER

Markham, Canada

#9 May 5, 2013
9:49 am, Sunday, May 5, 2013:
RE: Catholic Church seeks to regain power in...
..... It is quite normal that religious and other business enterprises try to increase their market share. Attending a service or other ceremony of a religion is a vote for the continuation of that religion,
ELIAS IBARRA

Yigo, Guam

#12 May 10, 2013
QUITTNER wrote:
9:49 am, Sunday, May 5, 2013:
RE: Catholic Church seeks to regain power in...
..... It is quite normal that religious and other business enterprises try to increase their market share. Attending a service or other ceremony of a religion is a vote for the continuation of that religion,
Quittner,

You are correct!!! But the Catholic Church is now suffering from the agony of the so-called "Great Religious Recession" for her devouts are cascading to its lowest:

"Another survey in February this year by the Social Weather Stations also found waning religiosity among those who classify themselves as Catholics, with only 29 percent considering themselves "very religious".
Weekly church attendance has also fallen sharply, from 64 percent of Catholic adults in 1991 to 37 percent this year, according to the survey.

Political scientist Edna Co, from the state-run University of the Philippines, said many Filipinos had come to believe they could still be good Catholics while being less obedient to its teachings.
"Some people are thinking more independently these days, regardless of the Catholic Church," she said.

"There is a line drawn between your faith and a social issue: that is how a lot of Filipino Catholics think."
Father Melvin Castro, executive secretary of the Catholic Bishops Conference of the Philippines' commission on family life, blamed mass media and the Internet for weakening church influence on Filipinos.

"Just imagine what they hear or what they read: the values or lack of values they imbibe. They go to church only once a week... but compare that to the time they spend on the Internet or with traditional media," he told AFP."

Reference: Sunday, 05 May 2013 12:41 | By Agence France-Presse

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
pen name

East Brunswick, NJ

#13 May 10, 2013
code for bringing in Islam to kill every non-Catholic.

The Vatican has their men in positions of power.
ELIAS IBARRA

Yigo, Guam

#14 May 12, 2013
The Roman Catholic Church could no longer revise or twist history!!! The world already knows that the Inquisitions were the most brutal crimes ever recorded:

"The Inquisition was the Most Infamous and Devilish Thing in Human History. It was devised by Popes, and used by them for 500 years, to maintain their power."

Reference: Halley's Bible handbook, on pages 770.

The Roman Catholic Church is the real "Team Patay"!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
israelNOTpinas

Makati, Philippines

#16 May 13, 2013
ELIAS IBARRA wrote:
The Roman Catholic Church could no longer revise or twist history!!! The world already knows that the Inquisitions were the most brutal crimes ever recorded:
"The Inquisition was the Most Infamous and Devilish Thing in Human History. It was devised by Popes, and used by them for 500 years, to maintain their power."
Reference: Halley's Bible handbook, on pages 770.
The Roman Catholic Church is the real "Team Patay"!!!
Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
"True religion is not about possessing the truth.
No religion does that.

JESUS CHRIST come not to build his OWN Religion
and not to gain self-Righteousness.

JESUS is the the WAY, the TRUTH and the LIFE.

There are 19 major world religious groupings in the world which are subdivided into a total of about 10,000 distinct religions. Of the latter, there were 270 religions and para-religions which had over a half million adherents in the year 2000 CE. Within Christianity, they have identified 34,000 separate groups (denominations, sects, individual unaffiliated churches, para-church groups, etc) in the world. "Over half of them are independent churches that are not interested in linking with the big denominations." 1

Even considering a single religion, Christianity, within a single country, there are often thousands of individual "Christian confessions and denominations."there are:
4,684 groups in the U.S.
3,364 in South Africa.
2,079 in Nigeria.
1,581 in Brazil.
1,327 in South-central Asia.

Among other English-speaking countries, there are:
828 groups in the UK.
469 in Canada.
267 in Australia
175 in New Zealand.

God will not PICk ONE Religion out of MILLIONS

Iglesia ni Manalo believe that God and Jesus Christ is the co-owner of the church, and that none of the then existing Christian denominations were the true religion. Felix was instructed to create a new denomination to restore Christianity to its first century CE purity before it fell into heresy.

This method appears to be unreliable. When people pray to God for enlightenment, most seem to conclude that their own religion and faith group is the true one.

If people could access the will of God on this matter, then a vast majority of the world's population -- the folks who pray -- would realize that their faith group was not the true one.

They would gradually migrate to the true religion.

There would eventually be only one religion and one tradition within that religion left standing.

Otherwise, people would be rejecting the will of God.

All the other 11,000 religions and their tens of thousands of denominations or traditions would be phased out.

ALL Iglesia ni Manalo MEMBERS are not in BALANCE they are

(ABC) Arrogant Brainwashed Clowns!
ELIAS IBARRA

Yigo, Guam

#17 May 14, 2013
israelNOTpinas wrote:
<quoted text>
"True religion is not about possessing the truth.
No religion does that.
JESUS CHRIST come not to build his OWN Religion
and not to gain self-Righteousness.
JESUS is the the WAY, the TRUTH and the LIFE.
IsraelNOTpinas,

The contents of your brain are all dysfunctionalities!!! Improve your low I.Q. by reviewing your conflicting thoughts!!! Have shame!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
israelNOTpinas

Makati, Philippines

#18 May 14, 2013
ELIAS IBARRA wrote:
<quoted text>
IsraelNOTpinas,
The contents of your brain are all dysfunctionalities!!! Improve your low I.Q. by reviewing your conflicting thoughts!!! Have shame!!!
Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
Sorry Elias all circuits are busy.
I am not Brainwashed.

The Philippine National Cult - Iglesia ni Manalo
Conflicts its own teaching and conflicts the biblical truth.

Please explain this?

God has 12 Tribes of Israel
Jesus has 12 Disciples
Holy Spirit has 12 Gifts.

The contents of Your brain tells you that it is purely coincidence!
ELIAS IBARRA

Yigo, Guam

#19 May 14, 2013
israelNOTpinas wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry Elias all circuits are busy.
I am not Brainwashed.
The Philippine National Cult - Iglesia ni Manalo
Conflicts its own teaching and conflicts the biblical truth.
Please explain this?
God has 12 Tribes of Israel
Jesus has 12 Disciples
Holy Spirit has 12 Gifts.
The contents of Your brain tells you that it is purely coincidence!
IsraelNOTpinas,

Why should I explain it??? There is nothing to explain about it!!! But where did you get the idea that the Holy Spirit has 12 gifts??? You just make me laugh!!! You can't even explain the expression "born of water and the spirit"!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
israelNOTpinas

Makati, Philippines

#20 May 14, 2013
ELIAS IBARRA wrote:
<quoted text>
IsraelNOTpinas,
Why should I explain it??? There is nothing to explain about it!!! But where did you get the idea that the Holy Spirit has 12 gifts??? You just make me laugh!!! You can't even explain the expression "born of water and the spirit"!!!
Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
I already explained the water and spirit
but your Brainwashed mind cannot comprehend it.

as Elias stated Water is the word of God in that verse?
Why did the First miracle of Jesus he turned water into wine?

You twist the word of God in order to align to the doctrine of your cult.

if your cult is truly chosen you are quick to answer? 1...2....3....4....out...
ELIAS IBARRA

Yigo, Guam

#21 May 19, 2013
israelNOTpinas wrote:
<quoted text>
I already explained the water and spirit
but your Brainwashed mind cannot comprehend it.
as Elias stated Water is the word of God in that verse?
Why did the First miracle of Jesus he turned water into wine?
You twist the word of God in order to align to the doctrine of your cult.
if your cult is truly chosen you are quick to answer? 1...2....3....4....out...
IsraelNOTpinas,

You are again wanting to injure your brain!!! I already told you the true meaning of being "born again in water and spirit"!!! The meaning of water is not literal but refers to the words of God!!! And God is spirit!!! Thus, to be born again of water and spirit is to be "born of God's words" which brings eternal life for you will no longer thirst!!!

Christ's turning of water into wine has nothing to do "with being born again in water and spirit"!!! God performed miracles through Christ in order for the Jews to believe in Christ!!! The miracles of Christ were not of His own but came from God!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
ELIAS IBARRA

Yigo, Guam

#22 May 19, 2013
The Iglesia ni Cristo is always uniform in Her decision to unite when voting all over the country!!! All positions, be it local, provincial, or national are being filled-up with candidates that we endorsed!!!

The result of our unity voting is showing up!!! Ten of our endorsed senators won and from local, provincial, and national levels, we have made 90 percent of our endorsed candidates as victors!!!

The matter is not true with combined unity votes of Roman Catholic and Protestant movements for all they have are the crumbs!!! It is now clear before the discerning public that the so-called voting movements of Catholics and Protestants are but all air and farts and devoid of force!!!

The Iglesia ni Cristo remains as the the dynamic force to be reckoned with!!! She is imitated by the low I.Q. Catholicism and Protestantism but never equalled!!!

The more Catholics and Protestants mimick the true Church of Christ, the more they become disgusting and in total disarray!!!
XXXXX
Just look at the chapels that were sold to the Iglesia ni Cristo by the Catholic and Protestant churches after having been subjected to renovations!!! They look more stately and grandiose than when these were still in its original designs by the pagan cults!!! Why???

“… churches constructed by the Iglesia ni Cristo are always expensive and resplendent and usually appear impressive and overpowering even to the nonbeliever.”

Reference:(The Iglesia Ni Cristo , 1914-2000: From Obscure Philippine Faith to Global Belief System, Bijdragen, p. 581)

" ... the INC each year dedicates approximately 100 church buildings that bristle with magnificent spires, feature concrete soaring arches, are painted in distinctive pastel colors, and display high standards of maintenance. Enclosed by imposing fences and carefully manicured grounds, each church dominate the local skyline. The imposing sacred structures of this dynamic religion have thus imprinted both urban and rural landscapes of the Philippines."

Reference:(Reed, Robert. "From local to global: The expanding mission of the Iglesia Ni Cristo in the Philippines and throughout the world." Retrieved April 21, 2003 from http://www.ethnicstudies.ucsd.edu/html/spring ...)

Have you noticed something in what they said??? He said that our chapels "are painted in distinctive pastel colors, and display high standards of maintenance."

Therefore, in the Iglesia ni Cristo, the once ugly Roman Catholic and Protestant chapels become alluring to the eyes of the beholder because of our maintenance capabilities!!!

Real Elias Ibarra
Guam
QUITTNER

Markham, Canada

#23 May 19, 2013
10:54 am, Sunday, May 19, 2013:
RE: Catholic Church seeks to regain power
ELIAS IBARRA wrote:
<quoted text>
Quittner,
You are correct!!! But the Catholic Church is now suffering from the agony of the so-called "Great Religious Recession" for her devouts are cascading to its lowest:...
..... Members who do not follow Jesus are NOT Christians they are only Catholics.

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