Is it time to put my aggressive dog down?

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“Seems like I'm slipping”

Since: Dec 06

Boston

#1 Oct 23, 2008
I've had a border collie for 3 years now. I adopted her at 1 from an abused home. She's always had aggression issues. I have always lived alone though and been able to manage the problem ( i've been bitten on more than one occasion, though not in a years or so now). We were in the middle of no where NH with miles of woods and no one to bother us. Due to the current $$$ situation I've been forced back to my parents w/ the dog. Who is terrorizing the family and friends and neighbors and people who walk by.

I've spent tons on training when i got her, though if i've moved back to my parents, clearly I don't have enough to start with them again. She'll bite at them when in small spaces (cage, car, under a table), she'll bite theirs food involved, she'll bite at other dogs, ect ect. Now, clearly the problems gotten worse over the last couple months, it hasn't been 3 years of terror. I've minimized her contact with other people though to avoid problems. And now that I work and they have to deal with her with out my help or being there... My family's never had a dog, never mind an aggressive dog. If it was just me and the dog, I'd still work with her, but is it fair to force her on my family?

I feel like I'm quitting or I've failed or something. But, I've put in lots of man hours over 3 years and in 3 months she's become as bad as she ever behaved and I don't think we'll be back to an ideal living situation any time soon. Nor do I think I can force the 5 other people I now live with to a) live afraid they may get attacked by the dog any moment, b) become dog trainers, or what I donno... i guess thats why i've turned to the internet for advice.

HELP
THNXS
Clasidog

Saint Petersburg, FL

#2 Oct 23, 2008
You can shell out more money and contact the dog whisperer ( or a trainer with similar techniques) to take your dog in and give it the therapy needed as well as the training you and your family will need. The easiest answer would be to do the humane thing but is it your best answer?
Check out www.thespiritdog.wordpress.com . and leave your question as a comment on this blog.
The owner(Alan)of the blog runs a sanctuary for dogs and is very knowledgeable tell him Michele from 'Fido's Place' referred you.
Good Luck
emm

Bangor, UK

#3 Oct 25, 2008
What about a muzzle
OBJECTIVE

Burnaby, Canada

#4 Oct 26, 2008
OutSideTheBox wrote:
I've had a border collie for 3 years now. I adopted her at 1 from an abused home. She's always had aggression issues. I have always lived alone though and been able to manage the problem ( i've been bitten on more than one occasion, though not in a years or so now). We were in the middle of no where NH with miles of woods and no one to bother us. Due to the current $$$ situation I've been forced back to my parents w/ the dog. Who is terrorizing the family and friends and neighbors and people who walk by.
I've spent tons on training when i got her, though if i've moved back to my parents, clearly I don't have enough to start with them again. She'll bite at them when in small spaces (cage, car, under a table), she'll bite theirs food involved, she'll bite at other dogs, ect ect. Now, clearly the problems gotten worse over the last couple months, it hasn't been 3 years of terror. I've minimized her contact with other people though to avoid problems. And now that I work and they have to deal with her with out my help or being there... My family's never had a dog, never mind an aggressive dog. If it was just me and the dog, I'd still work with her, but is it fair to force her on my family?
I feel like I'm quitting or I've failed or something. But, I've put in lots of man hours over 3 years and in 3 months she's become as bad as she ever behaved and I don't think we'll be back to an ideal living situation any time soon. Nor do I think I can force the 5 other people I now live with to a) live afraid they may get attacked by the dog any moment, b) become dog trainers, or what I donno... i guess thats why i've turned to the internet for advice.
HELP
THNXS
with all due respect, if i adopted a dog, and it bit me, i might excuse it the first time, but you state that you've had the dog 3 yrs, and it hasnt bitten you this last yer - are you saying its been biting you in the two yrs prior?

the first time i would excuse and give the dog time to settle in, but after the second attack, sorry - i would euthanize.

no - it is NOT fair to impose this animal on your family. what if a child is mauled or even killed?
this dog does not even seem settled or safe in a single person family. no its not your fault that the dog was abused before you got it - you have no idea what it might have been through - sadly an issue 99% caused by humans, but this dog is not safe- simple. to top it off, this dog's security blanket has been truned upside down again with all the changes you were forced to go through.

you've done the best you can. put this dog down before a real tragedy occurs.
emm

Bangor, UK

#5 Oct 27, 2008
" but this dog is not safe"

NO ANIMAL IS SAFE!
OBJECTIVE

Burnaby, Canada

#6 Oct 27, 2008
emm wrote:
" but this dog is not safe"
NO ANIMAL IS SAFE!
by the same logic you can say no human is safe.

so do you support the victim, or the repeat offender, who has shown that rehabillitation in its case hasn't worked, until one of the victims is killed?

once someone is dead, then who do you support? no its unfair that an animal has to turn out this way which is 99% caused by abuse and neglect in the first place, but unfortunately reality is reality - not all can be rescued.

lets keep this logical and real please, no matter how much you might not like it.
Dave

Moscow, ID

#7 Oct 28, 2008
Objective - "by the same logic you can say no human is safe"
Dogs are not humans, never will be, and honestly that is one of the problems with society today. They are dogs and should be treated as such.
OBJECTIVE

Pincher Creek, Canada

#8 Oct 28, 2008
Dave wrote:
Objective - "by the same logic you can say no human is safe"
Dogs are not humans, never will be, and honestly that is one of the problems with society today. They are dogs and should be treated as such.
so what point are you trying to make dave? i never said dogs are human. i think you did not understand or read my post correctly.

what do you think should be done with a dog that is clearly a threat to others (human and dog) and evidentally has not responded to this posters considerable attempts to rehabilitate? are you preaching to the choir, which places the life of humans above that of an evidentally dangerous animal? or are you saying the animal should be preserved at the expense of its future victims?
Yappy-Dog

Rhuddlan, UK

#9 Oct 31, 2008
OutSideTheBox wrote:
I've had a border collie for 3 years now. I adopted her at 1 from an abused home. She's always had aggression issues. I have always lived alone though and been able to manage the problem ( i've been bitten on more than one occasion, though not in a years or so now). We were in the middle of no where NH with miles of woods and no one to bother us. Due to the current $$$ situation I've been forced back to my parents w/ the dog. Who is terrorizing the family and friends and neighbors and people who walk by.
I've spent tons on training when i got her, though if i've moved back to my parents, clearly I don't have enough to start with them again. She'll bite at them when in small spaces (cage, car, under a table), she'll bite theirs food involved, she'll bite at other dogs, ect ect. Now, clearly the problems gotten worse over the last couple months, it hasn't been 3 years of terror. I've minimized her contact with other people though to avoid problems. And now that I work and they have to deal with her with out my help or being there... My family's never had a dog, never mind an aggressive dog. If it was just me and the dog, I'd still work with her, but is it fair to force her on my family?
I feel like I'm quitting or I've failed or something. But, I've put in lots of man hours over 3 years and in 3 months she's become as bad as she ever behaved and I don't think we'll be back to an ideal living situation any time soon. Nor do I think I can force the 5 other people I now live with to a) live afraid they may get attacked by the dog any moment, b) become dog trainers, or what I donno... i guess thats why i've turned to the internet for advice.
HELP
THNXS
Oh, your dog musn't be put down! It hasn't hurt anybody! It's because of it's past. It needs to warm up to you more. Please don't put her down, it's not her fault that she's like that. Ya never know, she could be protecting you. It's alright, my grandparents have been through the same kind of thing. They had to give their dalmatians away. They were terrible! You have not failed. Don't give up on her, she needs you. She loves you. She wouldn't hurt anyone on purpose. Only dogs that have been raised terribly when they were just young pups would be like that. Don't bother shelling out money. Only you understand your dog.
Nobody else does. If you adopted her, you will keep her forever until the last beat of her heart.
And if you got her, only you know how close you can be. Sorry---I'll just get a tissue. Writing this up for you is saddening. I don't want you to put you dog down. That's the wrong thing to do.Sob.
Yappy-Dog

Rhuddlan, UK

#10 Oct 31, 2008
emm wrote:
" but this dog is not safe"
NO ANIMAL IS SAFE!
emm.I know you. Why do you do this, huh? Iv'e already replied to you about my English Bulldogs thread. Just leave, emm. Unless iv'e got you wrong. Give that poor girl who needs some help a bit of thinking about. She may have a dog that wil need to be killed. You can't say this is okay, emm, you can't.
Yappy-Dog

Rhuddlan, UK

#11 Oct 31, 2008
Dave wrote:
Objective - "by the same logic you can say no human is safe"
Dogs are not humans, never will be, and honestly that is one of the problems with society today. They are dogs and should be treated as such.
Dave, whatdya know about dogs? You hate them!
OBJECTIVE

Pincher Creek, Canada

#12 Nov 1, 2008
yappity dog, i have worked with thousands of animals. luckily i can say i have only ever had to have two dogs destroyed, which were past any point of rehabilitation. i have rehabilitated many animals that others have given up on.

emotions aside, a dog that has a long history of attacking (in this case its own owner) and is now a threat to other ppl in the home, is no longer in a position of "poor doggy it was abused", if it has the very real threat of attacking anyone else.

either the dog needs to be removed from the premises and put in a shelter until a new living situation is found, or suitable heated living pen is set up for the dog where it is away from kids and other pplm and is safely and securely enclosed. slow introduction to family over time would be the route to follow then, which in this dog's case, may or may not work.

but to impose an animal like this on others, is not only unfair to the animal, its utterly unjustified and unacceptable for other ppl to have to endure a snapping snarling creature in their own home, not to mention the possibility of being bitten.

to stand there and say 'poor doggy" and doing absolutely nothing, until someone is hurt by this animal again, is ridiculous.
emm

Bangor, UK

#13 Nov 1, 2008
Yappy-Dog wrote:
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emm.I know you. Why do you do this, huh? Iv'e already replied to you about my English Bulldogs thread. Just leave, emm. Unless iv'e got you wrong. Give that poor girl who needs some help a bit of thinking about. She may have a dog that wil need to be killed. You can't say this is okay, emm, you can't.
erm ok firstly.

NO, YOU DO NOT KNOW ME, YOU HAVE NOT EVEN MET ME, NOR DO YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO TELL ME TO LEAVE OR TELL ME WHAT I AM ALLOWED TO SAY.

now

I was replying to the guy that sayed "the dog should be put down as its unsafe", and i was reminding him "that all dogs are unsafe", so by his logic they should all be put down, its basically reverse pshycolgy.

And Ive given the op my bestest idea, Let the dog live and seek proffesional help the association of pet behaviour councillors, is a good place to start.

and to all those who say what if the dog attacks someone. did you know that there are these thingsd that are like strong rope, and you tie one end onto your dogs collar and hold the other end and it stops the dog from wandering off. Oh, omfg theres this thing that you can put over a dogs mouth, which stops it from biting.

my cussion had a border collie who was very snappy at strangers, b ut they diddnt put it down, why?

Becuase it was never in a place where members of the publicould be, it was a working sheep/cattle dog and so was only in privet fields and things
Yappy-Dog

Gravesend, UK

#14 Nov 2, 2008
emm wrote:
<quoted text>
erm ok firstly.
NO, YOU DO NOT KNOW ME, YOU HAVE NOT EVEN MET ME, NOR DO YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO TELL ME TO LEAVE OR TELL ME WHAT I AM ALLOWED TO SAY.
now
I was replying to the guy that sayed "the dog should be put down as its unsafe", and i was reminding him "that all dogs are unsafe", so by his logic they should all be put down, its basically reverse pshycolgy.
And Ive given the op my bestest idea, Let the dog live and seek proffesional help the association of pet behaviour councillors, is a good place to start.
and to all those who say what if the dog attacks someone. did you know that there are these thingsd that are like strong rope, and you tie one end onto your dogs collar and hold the other end and it stops the dog from wandering off. Oh, omfg theres this thing that you can put over a dogs mouth, which stops it from biting.
my cussion had a border collie who was very snappy at strangers, b ut they diddnt put it down, why?
Becuase it was never in a place where members of the publicould be, it was a working sheep/cattle dog and so was only in privet fields and things
oh emm! i am sorry again. oh, iv'e been so mean and misunderstanding. iv'e apologised to all of my replies to you. i promise that i will never be like that again. i know that i don't know you. my sisters got onto the forum and decided to reply to someone. then they found you. it was too late to spot them when i saw them. i'm verrry sorry, i really am.
emm

Bangor, UK

#15 Nov 2, 2008
aww tats ok.
Yappy-Dog

Gravesend, UK

#16 Nov 2, 2008
emm wrote:
aww tats ok.
thanks for understanding, emm.
mimi213

Saginaw, MI

#17 Jun 9, 2009
I have a 10+ yr old female pitbull terrier. i have had her and another male pit for the past 5 years. prior to that the female lived with kids and animals with no significant problems. The past five years she has killed a stray cat and a rabbit that entered her kennel. the past two months she has had 3 dog fight incidents, one with a dog she grew up with. i am afraid she is getting old and senile. she is more excited and nervous than she has been in the past. I am fearful that she and her roomie may end up fighting and they would both be dead. any ideas???
cindy

United States

#18 Jun 9, 2009
OutSideTheBox wrote:
I've had a border collie for 3 years now. I adopted her at 1 from an abused home. She's always had aggression issues. I have always lived alone though and been able to manage the problem ( i've been bitten on more than one occasion, though not in a years or so now). We were in the middle of no where NH with miles of woods and no one to bother us. Due to the current $$$ situation I've been forced back to my parents w/ the dog. Who is terrorizing the family and friends and neighbors and people who walk by.
I've spent tons on training when i got her, though if i've moved back to my parents, clearly I don't have enough to start with them again. She'll bite at them when in small spaces (cage, car, under a table), she'll bite theirs food involved, she'll bite at other dogs, ect ect. Now, clearly the problems gotten worse over the last couple months, it hasn't been 3 years of terror. I've minimized her contact with other people though to avoid problems. And now that I work and they have to deal with her with out my help or being there... My family's never had a dog, never mind an aggressive dog. If it was just me and the dog, I'd still work with her, but is it fair to force her on my family?
I feel like I'm quitting or I've failed or something. But, I've put in lots of man hours over 3 years and in 3 months she's become as bad as she ever behaved and I don't think we'll be back to an ideal living situation any time soon. Nor do I think I can force the 5 other people I now live with to a) live afraid they may get attacked by the dog any moment, b) become dog trainers, or what I donno... i guess thats why i've turned to the internet for advice.
HELP
THNXS
I admire you for giving this dog a good home, but here comes a time when decisions must be made. If your dog is a one person animal, then you might have to consider giving him to someone who lives alone and is able to give him the attention he needs. Another option, is to contact rescue organizations who will sympathize with your situation, and be willing to take this dog off your hands and into the hands of someone who is experienced with this behavior. I am glad that you recognise that your dog is a threat to other people and animals. I hope that you find a way to remedy your situation.:)
donna repo

Quesnel, Canada

#19 Jun 25, 2009
i have had my sharpie x for7yrs she is a beautiful pet i love her so much but she continually wants to attack our neighbour dogs they the neighbours want me too put her down or they will bring legal action what do i do iam so very sad and upset,
Perriann

Helotes, TX

#20 Jun 26, 2009
If you look at many dog attacks resulting in death, no matter the breed, often there is a history of attacks that the owners were aware of but didn't do enough to prevent a tragedy, even the ones that the media first report as "he was such a sweet dog".

Border collies have taken lives in the past, as have 150 different breeds in this world, and the only way to prevent this kind of thing from happening is to see these biting incidents as the warning signs that they are. It may be really tough on you to do the right thing and euthanize the dog, but often times the right thing is hard. That is why many people don't do what they should.

Your dog is suffering, and that is something that should be remedied. You can't keep him away from everyone for the rest of his life, and you can't account for accidents. What if the dog somehow got loose and something happened? You have to consider that this is an animal, and it is fully capable of causing severe injury or death. It does not understand the consequences of what it does, but you do. Hopefully you can find the strength to do what is best for all involved. Good luck.

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