What Is The True Cost Of Illegal Immigration?

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Research shows Florida and Georgia taxpayers lose tens of millions of dollars every year due to illegal immigration, and billions nationwide. Read more
brush lee

Sonora, CA

#1317 Nov 30, 2012
less boobies too watch go up and down!?

“2014 TDF”

Since: Mar 09

Boca Raton, FL.

#1318 Nov 30, 2012
Nijoni wrote:
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If memory of documentaries serves, didn't the Elvis start in a gospel church, with black singers?
But all in all, Elvis had a unique and gifted voice. No one sounds as he. Too bad he went bonkers on the Scripts.
Elvis, as any excellent performer, learned a lot from all different kinds of other performers. In fact, his two favorite Gospel performers were Jake Hess (white gospel singer) and Sister Rosetta Tharpe (black gospel singer). But, you're right, he was unique.

“2014 TDF”

Since: Mar 09

Boca Raton, FL.

#1319 Nov 30, 2012
t clms wrote:
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You can "twist" this any way you want. Without Black role models and music.. "The King" never would have been. You know that.!
That is "straight" history. I wonder why your psyche can't accept that.. That's an index too.
I'm not twisting one g-ddamned thing. I simply disagree with you in all of your claims and I'm defending my position. You defend yours as you see fit, but thus far, you've only made plain allegations without even a hint of factual knowledge, or empirical evidence to back it up.

BTW, for living in what some call "Adoptive Cowboy Country," you certainly seem to have a beef with Country music.
ima

El Paso, TX

#1320 Nov 30, 2012
Conservative Democrat wrote:
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Elvis, as any excellent performer, learned a lot from all different kinds of other performers. In fact, his two favorite Gospel performers were Jake Hess (white gospel singer) and Sister Rosetta Tharpe (black gospel singer). But, you're right, he was unique.
I agree with you and Nijoni, Elvis was blessed, gifted and extremely talented.....music is music that ALL RACES & people of all religions can appreciate WITHOUT RACISM in our thoughts. I'm not black, AND I LOVED Aretha Franklin, Whitney H, little Richard, James Brown, etc. Don't matter who you are and where you come from.....all COLORS & RACES of people have GREAT TALENT & GIFTED VOICES who's music ALL PEOPLE CAN ENJOY and just sit back and relax to their WORLD WIDE CONTRIBUTION.
brush lee

Sonora, CA

#1321 Nov 30, 2012
geeeeeeze duuuuuude you might hurt your finger pressing so hard on the caps lock.

“2014 TDF”

Since: Mar 09

Boca Raton, FL.

#1322 Nov 30, 2012
ima wrote:
<quoted text> I agree with you and Nijoni, Elvis was blessed, gifted and extremely talented.....music is music that ALL RACES & people of all religions can appreciate WITHOUT RACISM in our thoughts. I'm not black, AND I LOVED Aretha Franklin, Whitney H, little Richard, James Brown, etc. Don't matter who you are and where you come from.....all COLORS & RACES of people have GREAT TALENT & GIFTED VOICES who's music ALL PEOPLE CAN ENJOY and just sit back and relax to their WORLD WIDE CONTRIBUTION.
I studied classical piano from age 8 to age 18. I learned about music as much from Ray Charles, whom I casually met at the Miami International Airport in 1995, from Antonio Benedetto, a/k/a Tony Bennett, Johnny Cash and, of course, Elvis, as I did from Beethoven, Bach, Tchaikovsky and Chopin.
t clms

Victoria, Canada

#1323 Nov 30, 2012
Ralff wrote:
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Oh? Who were they?
do you know "big boy" crudup???

but.. just believe what you want.. It makes you happy...
Myopia is the foundation of your paradigm
t clms

Victoria, Canada

#1324 Nov 30, 2012
Conservative Democrat wrote:
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I'm not twisting one g-ddamned thing. I simply disagree with you in all of your claims and I'm defending my position. You defend yours as you see fit, but thus far, you've only made plain allegations without even a hint of factual knowledge, or empirical evidence to back it up.
BTW, for living in what some call "Adoptive Cowboy Country," you certainly seem to have a beef with Country music.
Eg: your empirical evidence = "some people call"

Well what some American's think or call things is totally immaterial..
but Yes, Calgary, in Alberta has the biggest Rodeo on the planet..
That's just one section of the country.... The US media blindness to Canada is serving you so well.

Re music: Glen Gould was from Ontario though.
Country music is ok... for certain people. It does fit the American mentality.
Simple lyrics, constant rhythm, and predictable melodies... It soothes and balms the mind.
no thinking required.
Sometimes, I even like it too.
However, it is not a credible cultural genre like jazz.
t clms

Victoria, Canada

#1325 Nov 30, 2012
Conservative Democrat wrote:
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I studied classical piano from age 8 to age 18. I learned about music as much from Ray Charles, whom I casually met at the Miami International Airport in 1995, from Antonio Benedetto, a/k/a Tony Bennett, Johnny Cash and, of course, Elvis, as I did from Beethoven, Bach, Tchaikovsky and Chopin.
I would be more impressed if you had studied: John Cage. and he's American immigrant Jew.
t clms

Victoria, Canada

#1326 Nov 30, 2012
Nijoni wrote:
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If you were not such an arrogant ass, some of your points may even be recieved. Not to worry though, your pride won't consider any critisicm on your Supremacy Trip....you need to be hit in the head with a shovel and I know a volunteer for that job....
:)
Nijoni.. you just love punishment... Don't you have anything better to do? How about making some clay pottery or weaving a blanket?? All your capitalist friends want you to make products. Keep the economy going....

Did your boyfriend leave you , and now you have no one to argue with? You must be in a
dark mood again... You can order your medication more cheaply from Canada, you know..
I am not on a supremacy trip, I am just poking a hole in yours.

You need to take an anger management course..

The madder you get, the more correct I know, you know, I am.
ima

El Paso, TX

#1327 Nov 30, 2012
Conservative Democrat wrote:
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I studied classical piano from age 8 to age 18. I learned about music as much from Ray Charles, whom I casually met at the Miami International Airport in 1995, from Antonio Benedetto, a/k/a Tony Bennett, Johnny Cash and, of course, Elvis, as I did from Beethoven, Bach, Tchaikovsky and Chopin.
How absolutely magnificent! love all their music....those you've mentioned, do you write music? I've known people who's lives revolved around ONLY MUSIC....only to turn around and pursued a totally different career yet write and play their music for their own enjoyment and family's enjoyment. Pretty cool, I think..... music helps one relax after a long tedious day at work.
Buzzcut

Worcester, MA

#1328 Nov 30, 2012
t clms wrote:
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They are doing what Americans do.. going around the world living in their own culture, language, and ideas. Now you know why people don't like it when you do it.....
You've set the example.
Of course you missed the differences!

When Americans go abroad they follow customs and immigration laws and legally enter other countries.

Also when Americans go abroad they pay their own way and bring money into the country. They don't generally drag working wages down and they don't go on welfare or dump a lot of costs on the system.

“Land of Entrapment”

Since: Mar 11

Location hidden

#1329 Nov 30, 2012
t clms wrote:
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Nijoni.. you just love punishment... Don't you have anything better to do? How about making some clay pottery or weaving a blanket?? All your capitalist friends want you to make products. Keep the economy going....
Did your boyfriend leave you , and now you have no one to argue with? You must be in a
dark mood again... You can order your medication more cheaply from Canada, you know..
I am not on a supremacy trip, I am just poking a hole in yours.
You need to take an anger management course..
The madder you get, the more correct I know, you know, I am.

Anti-psychotics haven't kicked in yet?
Double your dosage, delsuional dirt bag.
WHat "Exactly" are you soo right about again? You continue to fail to answer. Hm....more delusions.....yawn
Buzzcut

Worcester, MA

#1331 Nov 30, 2012
t clms wrote:
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"the old successful one" was only successful for white anglos...
"White Anglo Manifest Destiny" is dead, finished, over...
Multiculturalism is the way of the world. Get with it... The Republicans will put it in place for you.
since They want to win the next election...
For those who want a white anglo society: you'll have to find some desert island to all move to.
It will be the most boring place on the planet. You'll sing cowboy songs and eat hot dogs..
So exactly why is it that there is a MASSIVE immigration or desire to immigrate from almost everyone else where "minorities" are "majorities" to White Anglo Saxon Protestant countries where whites are a majority?

Truth is revealed in this VOTING BY THEIR FEET!

As soon as all the "others" find out where the WASPS went they will all want to come there as it will still be the best place on Earth-- at least in terms of religious, political, and economic freedom and liberty under law. The problem is there aren't enough WASPS around to leaven the mix and make it possible for the whole world live this way.

It really is not that the other peoples have a genetic excuse for their inability to live like WASPS, they do NOT. Genetically they can interbreed with WASPS and produce viable offspring generation after generation. The problem is CULTURAL and not enough of these others have escpaed their cultural hamstrings. The WASPS did not do it overnight. It took several centuries. They did get started earlier. The fact that others can achieve the same thing when they ASSIMILATE to these values is absolutely true and many members of these other groups have already done so. However a majority of folks in these groups have NOT done so and increasingly don't even seem to want to do so.
Buzzcut

Worcester, MA

#1333 Nov 30, 2012
t clms wrote:
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You have already f-'--d-up one country... Why do it to another..?
Just stay in a place you created to your liking.. Right-wing politics and economics gives you what you've got.. enjoy!!
Canada is more centre-left.... We try to look after poor people here... you hate that. That is against your principles...
Would the illegal aliens from Mexico be okay? You did not answer that one.

Why not immigrate to Canada and do that since you want us to hand America over to Mexico? You could move to a socialist America then and help take care of all the poor people.

Actually what have you YOURSELF ever done for poor people? Have you done anything except vote to demand your government tax everyone to support your social conscience whether they hold your view or not?

Mitt Romney's church likes to see its members tithe or give a tenth of their income to charity and the church. Unlike you and your Democrat buddies, Mitt Romney gave a TITHE AND A HALF!

Like I said before what the hell have YOU ever done for charity on your own-not forced at gunpoint by your government?
Buzzcut

Worcester, MA

#1334 Nov 30, 2012
t clms wrote:
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Sorry sweety, We are part of the reason Canada is a sane and decent place. It is partly
European values that have influenced the Liberal approach to decent, well organized, and fiscally responsible government.
We don't take.. we create, make, and add to the wealth of the country... and you???
Speaking of homelands.. then why don't you return to Mongolia..??
European values?

Nazi Germany was a European country and Adolf Hitler was an Austrian IMMIGRANT! He got elected (after having been initially appointed) using propaganda against the "RICH JEWS".(Wasn't there a propaganda campaign against "RICH people" in the Obama campaign along with dismissive remarks about white people? Eerie isn't it?)

France is a European country whose Revolution gave the world the guillotine and Corsican IMMIGRANT Napolean Bonaparte!

Russia is a European country where under Georgian born Josef Stalin million of their own citizens were imprisoned or killed for not following the Party Line.

Spain is a European country whose emigrants to the New World forced swordpoint conversions on the native men before inserting a different kind of "sword" into native women.

Portugal is another European country which imported an order of magnitude more slaves into Brazil than were imported into the USA.

Are these the European values you admire?

Also you create but don't take? Please explain YOUR individual contribution! Other than hot air I don't see any.
Buzzcut

Worcester, MA

#1335 Nov 30, 2012
Conservative Democrat wrote:
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So you say that a person of Japanese immigrants, who is born in the US of A, is "essentially" an Anglo American? Are you stupid or are you faking it and are drawing some sort of psycho pension?
YES regardless of his Japanese ancestry he is essentially an Anglo American like every other American! That is the greatness of Assimilation.
Buzzcut

Worcester, MA

#1336 Nov 30, 2012
Conservative Democrat wrote:
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And you think that hyphenating is testament of a non-assimilated American? Does a woman who hyphenates her maiden name and married name a testament of a woman who isn't married?
<quoted text>
I'm always interested in someone explaining how they can contradict themselves. Please, "enlighten" me.
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<quoted text>
Anglo Black men; talk about an "oxy" moron.
ORIG< A REAL American is an ASSIMILATED AMERICAN which means they have assimilated to the values of our founders. Regardless of their race or religion they have assimilated to American values. They are NOT hypenated Americans such as Polish-American, German-American, Hispanic or Black American, etc.>
<And you think that hyphenating is testament of a non-assimilated American? Does a woman who hyphenates her maiden name and married name a testament of a woman who isn't married?>

Silly lawyer, you might check with Teddy Roosevelt regarding hyphenated Americans. Theodore Roosevelt insisted that a person be an American and not something else first and American second and denounced hyphenated Americanism.
ORIG<Our country is great today because it retained its founding values and made immigrants thus far assimilate to those values. It is not great because of immigration, even though many immigrants have made contributions. This is quite easy to show if you are interested.
<I'm always interested in someone explaining how they can contradict themselves. Please, "enlighten" me.>
Every nation in this hemisphere is a “nation of immigrants” yet not every nation is this hemisphere is considered as desirable as the USA. Many of those folks from these other “nations of immigrants” want to emigrate here. Thus IMMIGRATION is not the reason for the success of the USA. Otherwise all those other nations would be successful as well. Most of the countries of Europe and Asia including Russia, India, Turkey , Eastern Europe and yes even Anglo Saxon England (Angles and Saxons were German) have had waves of migration and immigration over the centuries yet folks still vote with their feet for the USA and other countries more similar to the USA, typically English speaking countries.
The reason for the success of the USA is the adhering to our founding values of liberty under law.

ORIG< Just for information for bigots like yourself with your KKK remarks, there were a few black Anglo men who were also plankowners in creating this country.>
<Anglo Black men; talk about an "oxy" moron.>
There were black free English speaking men in Massachusetts who fought in the Revolution. There were blacks who had emigrated to England in the 17th century.
t clms

Victoria, Canada

#1337 Dec 1, 2012
Buzzcut wrote:
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European values?
Nazi Germany was a European country and Adolf Hitler was an Austrian IMMIGRANT! He got elected (after having been initially appointed) using propaganda against the "RICH JEWS".(Wasn't there a propaganda campaign against "RICH people" in the Obama campaign along with dismissive remarks about white people? Eerie isn't it?)
France is a European country whose Revolution gave the world the guillotine and Corsican IMMIGRANT Napolean Bonaparte!
Russia is a European country where under Georgian born Josef Stalin million of their own citizens were imprisoned or killed for not following the Party Line.
Spain is a European country whose emigrants to the New World forced swordpoint conversions on the native men before inserting a different kind of "sword" into native women.
Portugal is another European country which imported an order of magnitude more slaves into Brazil than were imported into the USA.
Are these the European values you admire?
Also you create but don't take? Please explain YOUR individual contribution! Other than hot air I don't see any.
""If the Nuremberg laws were applied, then every post-war American president would have been hanged.""
t clms

Victoria, Canada

#1338 Dec 1, 2012
Buzzcut wrote:
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Of course you missed the differences!
When Americans go abroad they follow customs and immigration laws and legally enter other countries.
Also when Americans go abroad they pay their own way and bring money into the country. They don't generally drag working wages down and they don't go on welfare or dump a lot of costs on the system.
They enter legally?? like Viet Nam and " Eye Rack" Grenada

Americans usually rip off countries by stealing their resources.

Those are the differences, speaking of such....

You need to do some learning..and stop being a Republican talking-point puppet...

EG: "We are the greatest""' LOL

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