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Gov't downsizes amid GOP demands for more cuts

There are 147 comments on the WTOP-FM Washington story from Feb 22, 2013, titled Gov't downsizes amid GOP demands for more cuts. In it, WTOP-FM Washington reports that:

Republicans and other fiscal conservatives keep insisting on more federal austerity and a smaller government.

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idiots united

Minneapolis, MN

#108 Mar 4, 2013
inbred Genius wrote:
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you nailed it...the folks that survived the great depression and WW2 mostly grew up without indoor plumbing, electricity and decent schools and still made this country great. Their children, and grand children are no where near half as strong. Today people who think they are something fall apart when their cable goes out or their cellphone battery dies.
The decline started about 1965, when the govt made it cool to sit on the porch and wait on your check. This is the result of liberal guilt and liberal stupidity
Most of todays people are dirty messy hoarders and never realize that the junks they hoard they would never use again are nuisance and trash. Not mentally balanced at all. Opppsss again maybe you're 1 of them?

Since: Oct 08

Alpharetta, GA

#109 Mar 4, 2013
idiots united wrote:
<quoted text> Most of todays people are dirty messy hoarders and never realize that the junks they hoard they would never use again are nuisance and trash. Not mentally balanced at all. Opppsss again maybe you're 1 of them?
Naw, I got no room for hoarding, my double wide is full of stuff already....there's a little open space under the porch, but the dogs like to play there.
Barry Goldwater

Lockport, IL

#110 Mar 4, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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It would be cheaper if we had a severe flu season a few years in a row and take out about 20 million old geezers instead.
You still need the youth in your population to have a growing economy. I fear none of this crap the corporate controlled media presents daily. All of the sudden we are energy independent? Aids issues all of the sudden became controlled? Mass shootings out of control. Iran and North Korea coming to destroy us. Its all BS and I have tuned it out. Obama is nothing but the Third and fourth Bush term. The folks in control found out it was easier to screw you with the black guy at the helm. The left wing stays quiet and the right wing loves the military running wild. If I am right we long ago lost the America we were sold in grade school. Take down that flag, It is not yours anymore.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#111 Mar 4, 2013
curmudgeon wrote:
<quoted text> The problen with your solution is that it unjustly punishes those who succeded. Folks become wealthy by doing the correct fiscally responsible things. If you inherit wealth orget it in some other way (like winning the lottery) and you dont do the correct fiscally responsible things you will soon not have that wealth. My wife and I have aquired considerable wealth & asssetts. Nobody gave us anything. And
we didnt cheat anyone. We worked and saved 10% we didnt buy a large debt. We did without. We saved up and paid cash thus avoiding paying interest. Now you think we should be means tested before we can recieve the social security that we paid in to for 50 years. How is that fair to punish us for being frugal and fiscally responsible. Cut those who are drawing SSI first before cutting those who actually paid the most. Cutting them would punish sloth & lazyness. YES we paid the most because we worked & earned the most wages. The lazy paid the least because they didnt work and earn much wages.
It's not fair, but neither is cutting social security benefits for everyone or denying the poor any opportunity to retire.

So if it comes down to a wealthy person have just a teeny tiny little less wealth while still being able to have a long prosperous retirement, or a poor person working their entire lives on minimum wage never having a chance retire, it's a no brainer.

Congrats on your wealth; have a bit of compassion for those not as fortunate.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#112 Mar 4, 2013
Barry Goldwater wrote:
<quoted text>You still need the youth in your population to have a growing economy. I fear none of this crap the corporate controlled media presents daily. All of the sudden we are energy independent? Aids issues all of the sudden became controlled? Mass shootings out of control. Iran and North Korea coming to destroy us. Its all BS and I have tuned it out. Obama is nothing but the Third and fourth Bush term. The folks in control found out it was easier to screw you with the black guy at the helm. The left wing stays quiet and the right wing loves the military running wild. If I am right we long ago lost the America we were sold in grade school. Take down that flag, It is not yours anymore.
You sound like the typical old geezer yearing for the "good old days".

We have million upon millions of youth in America. There are more 25 MILLION Americans under age 18; that's more than the entire population of the US in 1850.

The problem isn't the number of youth, it's the number of elderly.
Barry Goldwater

Lockport, IL

#113 Mar 4, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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You sound like the typical old geezer yearing for the "good old days".
We have million upon millions of youth in America. There are more 25 MILLION Americans under age 18; that's more than the entire population of the US in 1850.
The problem isn't the number of youth, it's the number of elderly.
The good old days never existed. "Millions upon Millions" good to see you do your research. We also have more Pontiac GTO,s than 1850 but Pontiac is still out of business.
curmudgeon

Mountain Home, AR

#114 Mar 4, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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It's not fair, but neither is cutting social security benefits for everyone or denying the poor any opportunity to retire.
So if it comes down to a wealthy person have just a teeny tiny little less wealth while still being able to have a long prosperous retirement, or a poor person working their entire lives on minimum wage never having a chance retire, it's a no brainer.
Congrats on your wealth; have a bit of compassion for those not as fortunate.
I dont believe in anyone recieving something for nothing. Heck If they didnt work they shouldnt get to retire. especially on the money taken from those who did work. The goverment should not play robin hood and be the enabler of those who are lazy.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#115 Mar 4, 2013
Barry Goldwater wrote:
<quoted text>The good old days never existed. "Millions upon Millions" good to see you do your research. We also have more Pontiac GTO,s than 1850 but Pontiac is still out of business.
You're right, I made an error. It's actually 25% of the population is under age 18 (not 25 million), which equals more than 75 million people; the same as the entire population of the US in 1900.

And they're in no danger of going out of business......
curmudgeon

Mountain Home, AR

#116 Mar 4, 2013
Barry Goldwater wrote:
<quoted text>The good old days never existed. "Millions upon Millions" good to see you do your research. We also have more Pontiac GTO,s than 1850 but Pontiac is still out of business.
Well im 66 and from 1964 until the Jimmy Carter 1970,s fake gas shortage it was pretty good. you could try any enterprise and if you worked hard you would prosper. Prices where reasonable and govt regulations where few. The cost of production wasnt excessive. For me those where indeed the good old days.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#117 Mar 4, 2013
curmudgeon wrote:
<quoted text> I dont believe in anyone recieving something for nothing. Heck If they didnt work they shouldnt get to retire. especially on the money taken from those who did work. The goverment should not play robin hood and be the enabler of those who are lazy.
They overhwhelming majority ARE working, every day of their lives and paid into social security just like everyone else. The difference is because they are paid poverty level wages by companies who are banking more & more profits every year, they have no money left over to save for their retirement.

So when you attempt to raise the retirement age, that means those poor will likely never live long enough to collect a penny of what they paid into social security.

I realize that IS the goal of the rich GOPasaurs; raise the retirement age high enough so the poor can never retire and have to work until they drop dead at an early age.

Oh sure, it's easy for the rich to work until they're 70 or 75; how hard is it sitting in a comfy airconditioned office all day. Try roofing a house or jackhammering concrete or working in a slaughter house all day every day for 70 years.
curmudgeon

Mountain Home, AR

#118 Mar 4, 2013
inbred Genius wrote:
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Naw, I got no room for hoarding, my double wide is full of stuff already....there's a little open space under the porch, but the dogs like to play there.
Ive got too much stuff. For decades I went to auction sales and bought the bargains. My hoard isnt trash & garbage its old farm machinery, tractors construction equipment semi trucks junk cars & trucks ect. Its old obselete worn out iron. It is now in demand by the recyclers at a very good price just to sell it for scrap. I try and haul a average of a $1000.00 per week off to the recycler,s. We had a ditch full of discarded appliances and a tandem axel trailer load would fetch $500.00. When the junk was of no value I was thought to be a loonie nut. Now im just eccentric.
curmudgeon

Mountain Home, AR

#119 Mar 4, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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They overhwhelming majority ARE working, every day of their lives and paid into social security just like everyone else. The difference is because they are paid poverty level wages by companies who are banking more & more profits every year, they have no money left over to save for their retirement.
So when you attempt to raise the retirement age, that means those poor will likely never live long enough to collect a penny of what they paid into social security.
I realize that IS the goal of the rich GOPasaurs; raise the retirement age high enough so the poor can never retire and have to work until they drop dead at an early age.
Oh sure, it's easy for the rich to work until they're 70 or 75; how hard is it sitting in a comfy airconditioned office all day. Try roofing a house or jackhammering concrete or working in a slaughter house all day every day for 70 years.
Its their own fault for being too lazy to get a education or skills to make better wages. Or better yet start their own buisness. back in the day I operated a 1950,s cable blade stick shift dozer. clearing land . rode that beast when weather permitted from daylight till dark. for $2 per hour. After two years I saved up enough to buy my own dozer and get $30 per hour. Fuel was cheap there wasnt a bunch of expensive govt regulations & red tape. When that became unprofitable I went into the trucking buisness. Wehn truckin went all to shit I went into timber ,Sawmilling & cattle. Im now in the sheep & goat buisness. My son and I are Now exploring getting into the small airplane buisness. I could have spent every cent I made and continued to be someone elses peon. and worked for very low wages all my life. And drew food stamps. But I didnt I ventured and prospered. Now you want to rob me of my just rewards. and use what is robbed to reward the poor achiever,s
XDR

Miami, FL

#120 Mar 4, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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They overhwhelming majority ARE working, every day of their lives and paid into social security just like everyone else. The difference is because they are paid poverty level wages by companies who are banking more & more profits every year, they have no money left over to save for their retirement.
Laughable...the average lowly-paid Chinese worker saves around 25% of their income, yet relatively well-paid American can't save anything at all for their rretirements?

http://research.stlouisfed.org/publications/i...

Those jackhammerers and roofers gotta give up their smartphones and satellite TV before they look to steal the SS contributions that others made.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#121 Mar 4, 2013
curmudgeon wrote:
<quoted text> Its their own fault for being too lazy to get a education or skills to make better wages. Or better yet start their own buisness. back in the day I operated a 1950,s cable blade stick shift dozer. clearing land . rode that beast when weather permitted from daylight till dark. for $2 per hour. After two years I saved up enough to buy my own dozer and get $30 per hour. Fuel was cheap there wasnt a bunch of expensive govt regulations & red tape. When that became unprofitable I went into the trucking buisness. Wehn truckin went all to shit I went into timber ,Sawmilling & cattle. Im now in the sheep & goat buisness. My son and I are Now exploring getting into the small airplane buisness. I could have spent every cent I made and continued to be someone elses peon. and worked for very low wages all my life. And drew food stamps. But I didnt I ventured and prospered. Now you want to rob me of my just rewards. and use what is robbed to reward the poor achiever,s
The majority of Americans simply don't have the opportunity to become wealthy. The median income in America is $28k for an individual, and $50k for a dual income household; that's just barely enough to pay the bills. Are you actually claiming that the 50% of Americans who make less than that are all too stupid or lazy and are just "poor achievers"?

If you were one of the lucky ones, congratulations.

No one is entitled to social security; it should be given first to those who need it most and weren't as fortunate.

I have trouble believing you are/were successful in business demonstrating so little compassion for your fellow citizens.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#122 Mar 4, 2013
XDR wrote:
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Laughable...the average lowly-paid Chinese worker saves around 25% of their income, yet relatively well-paid American can't save anything at all for their rretirements?
http://research.stlouisfed.org/publications/i...
Those jackhammerers and roofers gotta give up their smartphones and satellite TV before they look to steal the SS contributions that others made.
They ARE saving for their retirement in the form of social security taxes being paid.

GOPasaurs attempts to raise the retirement age is just a blatant attempt to rob them of those savings and giving it to the rich who on average live longer.
curmudgeon

Bexar, AR

#123 Mar 4, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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The majority of Americans simply don't have the opportunity to become wealthy. The median income in America is $28k for an individual, and $50k for a dual income household; that's just barely enough to pay the bills. Are you actually claiming that the 50% of Americans who make less than that are all too stupid or lazy and are just "poor achievers"?
If you were one of the lucky ones, congratulations.
No one is entitled to social security; it should be given first to those who need it most and weren't as fortunate.
I have trouble believing you are/were successful in business demonstrating so little compassion for your fellow citizens.
If that person earning $28,000 looks around there are plenty of folks getting by on much less. They could easily save 10%. Yes they are living too high on the hog if it takes every penny that they earn to pay the bills. Their core concepts are wrong in that they think somehow they are inferior or lacking in the ability to make it without goverment help. If they truly believe that their success or lack of success or their well being is at the mercy of other people things & conditions I feel sorry for them. Of all my siblings Im the only one free of debt and owns considerable assetts. We all have the same parental DNA. Went to the same schools grew up in the same community. The difference was I am for lack of a better word tight fisted & greedy. We didnt buy new cars or go in debt for too much house. We always rasised & hunted for a portion of our food. Our children had chores and worked & saved for what they wanted. Now my siblings are mad and jealous at me because their broke & deep in debt and I wont co sign to enable them to aquire more debt. you state I am one of the lucky ones? Luck had nothing to do with it. It took careful planning Hard work and doing without fancy do dads and cushy living. And another question If it takes every penny of the $28,000 or $50K to pay the biils now, How are they gonna survive on the pittance that they will recieve in social security? The opportunity to become wealthy is available for every American. you dont hardly ever get rich laboring for the other person. Nobody is going to pay the ordinary person enough to make them wealthy. Any person who is self reliant and has KNOW HOW to be RICH can be rich. It takes work. When you embark upon a positive producing enterprise or a wealth accumulating venture (such as saving 10%) there is a cause and effect Karma that sets other things in motion to reward your positive actions with even more positive things. When you do the opposite and negatively try to accumulate goods & services that you didnt work for and earn other negative forces come and take double away from you. Drawing food stamps,welfare and bing a parasite actually hurts the recepiant more than it helps. One thing money got the wrong way dont stay with you. And when you do become rich you need to find ways to give back.
curmudgeon

Bexar, AR

#124 Mar 4, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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They ARE saving for their retirement in the form of social security taxes being paid.
GOPasaurs attempts to raise the retirement age is just a blatant attempt to rob them of those savings and giving it to the rich who on average live longer.
If it wasnt mandatory most wouldnt save even the pittance deducted from their wages.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#125 Mar 4, 2013
curmudgeon wrote:
<quoted text> If it wasnt mandatory most wouldnt save even the pittance deducted from their wages.
I agree, and that's why it needs to remain mandatory and also why the retirement age needs to remain where it is.

All your pulling yourself up by your bootstraps aside, for whatever reason the overwhelming majority of Americans will never be wealthy. Social security is the only chance they will have to enjoy the final years of their life. Most WON'T be able to retire, and they'll need every penny from social security just to survive.

Denying them that opportunity is simply vindictive.
curmudgeon

Bexar, AR

#126 Mar 4, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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I agree, and that's why it needs to remain mandatory and also why the retirement age needs to remain where it is.
All your pulling yourself up by your bootstraps aside, for whatever reason the overwhelming majority of Americans will never be wealthy. Social security is the only chance they will have to enjoy the final years of their life. Most WON'T be able to retire, and they'll need every penny from social security just to survive.
Denying them that opportunity is simply vindictive.
I dot want to deny anyone anything. I simply want everyone to get what they deserve and deserve what they get. No more no less.
XDR

Miami, FL

#127 Mar 5, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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They ARE saving for their retirement in the form of social security taxes being paid.
GOPasaurs attempts to raise the retirement age is just a blatant attempt to rob them of those savings and giving it to the rich who on average live longer.
SS withholdings are only 6.2%...where's the other 18.8% going? Smartphones, DirecTV, music downloads, etc. Like I said, the Chinese find a way on their crappy wages to save an average of 25% of their income. Their income tax rates go from 3%-45%, similar to Americans. Yet they save 1/4 of their paychecks while Americans blow theirs on crap and hope social safety nets take care of the important things. That tells the story.

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