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Gov't downsizes amid GOP demands for more cuts

There are 147 comments on the WTOP-FM Washington story from Feb 22, 2013, titled Gov't downsizes amid GOP demands for more cuts. In it, WTOP-FM Washington reports that:

Republicans and other fiscal conservatives keep insisting on more federal austerity and a smaller government.

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“It's a Brand New Day”

Since: Feb 06

New Rochelle

#44 Feb 26, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
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No, it wouldn't.
The more they are taxed on, the more they receive in benefits later.
Yes you would get a temporary "surplus" in social security, but as we've seen in the past the Congress would spend every penny of that surplus on wars and then when those who paid more get around to retiring the money won't be there to pay their higher benefits.
It only works if you increase the taxable income, but NOT increase the limit on the current maximum a person can receive when they retire- currently about $2500 per month.
THAT I WOULD support, because it's another way of essentially means testing social security.
Then we are in agreement. I never advocated raising the benefit, only the top income cutoff. Also, I'd like to see SS tax extended to CAPITAL GAINS.

When you and I, or 'them' go for SS or medicare, we all get the same benefit, more or less (as you say, about $2500 for SS.) And 'they' will be using doctors who wouldn't dirty their computers with the nickles and dimes that medicare pays.

Senator Pat Moynahan tried his mightiest to create a "lockbox" for SS, but that was to build up a surplus for the next 30 years. After that, the 'WWII Babyboom' crisis will be over, and surplus not necessary.

The people in the second half of the 21st Century will inherit a slight surplus, and can handle their retirement and SS as they see fit in that future.

“It's a Brand New Day”

Since: Feb 06

New Rochelle

#45 Feb 26, 2013
Billy Bats wrote:
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The only way to be elected President is to join either the Democratic or Republican parties. You can run as an independant in 2016. and you'll lose in glorious fashion after having spent millions of dollars you don't have and can't raise on freaking Facebook.
Got it, dreamweaver?
No, pay no attention. He is an alien, and cannot be elected to president.

Also, he is a devil-worshipper, and has a collection of shrunken heads; and is unlikely to carry the bible belt.

Finally, he thinks the next presidential election is in in 2014.
Pamela

Citrus Heights, CA

#46 Feb 26, 2013
Jim Hayden wrote:
Then to address our National debt. Under the Social Security Act whenever there is a surplus in oue Social Security and Medicare Trust Funds that surplus is converted into 'Special' Treasury Bonds and our Money that we have entrusted to the government is placed in the General Tax Fund to be sued for everything other than our Retirement.
There has never been any surplus in Medicare. Medicare has $85 trillion of debt, it has over $20 trillion of unfunded liabilities just in the Medicare free drug program. The Medicare free drug program has NO revenue stream. So never mind taking the tiny 1.45 Medicare tax and saving the money, there's NO tax money funding Medicare Part D, money is being borrowed from China now to pay Medicare Part D. The problem is the World War II generation didn't pay into Medicare and now they have been on Medicare for almost 40 years getting new hips and knees and all kinds of very expensive surgeries and tests and meds and they didn't pay for any of it, so the government used the baby boomers paying into Medicare and gave the WWII folks that tax money. There's NO surplus, it is $85 trillion (with a T) in the hole.

If you want super expensive ld aged health care for everyone over 65 then you need a big fat national tax to pay for it. Medicare was set up when there was cheap country doctors and no expensive advanced medical care, and it was set up to serve one out of ten people. It is not paid for every person to go on it and every spouse who did not pay in to be on it too and to be all inclusive expensive no holds bar health care. It's a tiny insurance program that the politicians imagined maybe one million people would be on. Soon there will be 140 million people on Medicare and today they give people new hearts and kidneys. It's super expensive and people are living 20 years longer than when Medicare was created.

If people want expensive old aged health care for 20 to 40 years after they retire, THEY NEED TO PAY FOR IT. This is why Medicare has $85 trillion of debt. That's what it would cost to give them that expensive health care free to them.
Pamela

Citrus Heights, CA

#47 Feb 26, 2013
Mr_Bill wrote:
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Then we are in agreement. I never advocated raising the benefit, only the top income cutoff. Also, I'd like to see SS tax extended to CAPITAL GAINS.
When you and I, or 'them' go for SS or medicare, we all get the same benefit, more or less (as you say, about $2500 for SS.) And 'they' will be using doctors who wouldn't dirty their computers with the nickles and dimes that medicare pays.
Senator Pat Moynahan tried his mightiest to create a "lockbox" for SS, but that was to build up a surplus for the next 30 years. After that, the 'WWII Babyboom' crisis will be over, and surplus not necessary.
The people in the second half of the 21st Century will inherit a slight surplus, and can handle their retirement and SS as they see fit in that future.
ONLY men can get anywhere near $2,500 a month because they get double payments. Women who work can only get about $1,500 max. Men can get $2,700 because they pay the wives who never paid in. So a woman who did not work gets same payment as a women who worked and paid in and a man who worked gets two payments. It's so gross and disgusting. Typical government stuff - pay everyone, pay anyone and everyone, pay people who don't pay in, everyone gets paid cause big daddy government says so and pay men twice as much cause the goverment says women are dependent on men to survive so they must be paid if they don't work. Jesus Christ. Then they wonder why the programs are broke.

Imagine all the women who never worked who draw down Medicare and SS, think of what that is costing.

I know a woman who never worked cause she had trust funds. Her family built a huge mall near San Francisco a long time ago, they also built homes in SF a long time ago, and when her mother passed, she inherited $8 million but she always had trust funds. She told me "I have never had to work, I have trust funds." She spends her money at casinos so she doesn't own a home or even a car and she has two kids and 4 grandkids on welfare. So here the government doesn't come after her for the $8 million and doesn't make her pay for her two kids she produced to get educated and employed and to provide them with homes and then she was married three times, so she went down to the Social Security office when she was 62 and applied for early SS on the back of one of her three ex-husbands having paid in. this is the crap people do. The government pays for her kids and grand kids to live, gives her SS for nothing and she doesn't need the money and she has never paid income taxes, never paid into SS or Medicare and never paid property taxes either. This is the crap the government does.

I know another lady who her parents are rich so they give her a home to live in, a car and pay her utilities so she went onto SSI and GA cash and food stamps cause she had one kid. She pays NO taxes, never works and lies she is disabled because she figured it out that her parents would pay for almost everything for her so she didn't need to work if she could lie to the government that she is indigent.

I know another one who lies she is indigent to collect SSI and her parents pay her rent, pay for her car and pay her utilities. None of these people are disabled. They all figure out from living in a welfare town how everyone around them works the system, so they all have family money and then all go on welfare and SSI and Social Security. And none of these people are poor, none of them have paid into SS and none of them are really disabled. It's called working the system.

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#48 Feb 26, 2013
Mr_Bill wrote:
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Then we are in agreement. I never advocated raising the benefit, only the top income cutoff. Also, I'd like to see SS tax extended to CAPITAL GAINS.
Okay, but just so you realize, raising the top income which can be taxed without raising the max benefit someone can receive IS just another form of means testing; it only affects those earning over a certain amount.

Since: Apr 07

Oak Ridge, TN

#49 Feb 26, 2013
Billy Bats wrote:
<quoted text>
The only way to be elected President is to join either the Democratic or Republican parties. You can run as an independant in 2016. and you'll lose in glorious fashion after having spent millions of dollars you don't have and can't raise on freaking Facebook.
Got it, dreamweaver?
Actually I am planning on running as a Republican but fist I am working with other Republicans to clean out all of the RINOS and New World Order leaders that have infested our Grand Ole Party.

Using Facebook I am able to get the support I will need to win. I currently have 362 people who have joined my Fan Page and that gives me a total of 111,053 people I am reaching with my campaign to SAVE our Constitution and the Republic it established. Very soon I will be reaching over 60 million voting Americans and when I do. Well things should start heating up.

Our government is broken and is no longer working for the American people.

AND

I AM is the REPAIRMAN.

Jim Hayden in 2016
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Jim Hayden for President in 2016
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Since: Oct 08

Alpharetta, GA

#50 Feb 26, 2013
Jim Hayden wrote:
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Actually I am planning on running as a Republican but fist I am working with other Republicans to clean out all of the RINOS and New World Order leaders that have infested our Grand Ole Party.
Using Facebook I am able to get the support I will need to win. I currently have 362 people who have joined my Fan Page and that gives me a total of 111,053 people I am reaching with my campaign to SAVE our Constitution and the Republic it established. Very soon I will be reaching over 60 million voting Americans and when I do. Well things should start heating up.
Our government is broken and is no longer working for the American people.
AND
I AM is the REPAIRMAN.
Jim Hayden in 2016
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Jim Hayden for President in 2016
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Jim, it will be hard to vote for you, as you appear to be a ponytailed ex hippie? Am I right?

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#51 Feb 26, 2013
inbred Genius wrote:
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Jim, it will be hard to vote for you, as you appear to be a ponytailed ex hippie? Am I right?
More likley a CURRENT hippie.
Billy Bats

Miami, FL

#52 Feb 26, 2013
inbred Genius wrote:
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Jim, it will be hard to vote for you, as you appear to be a ponytailed ex hippie? Am I right?
The guy says he has 362 Facebook Fans. Sounds like it's gonna be a landslide in '16.

Since: Oct 08

Alpharetta, GA

#53 Feb 26, 2013
Billy Bats wrote:
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The guy says he has 362 Facebook Fans. Sounds like it's gonna be a landslide in '16.
doesnt sound good...but who knows, someday a guy with a racist preacher and ex pentagon bomber as a friend will get elected, and that won't turn out well either.
Pamela

Citrus Heights, CA

#54 Feb 26, 2013
I love it when morons talk about how Medicare has a surplus, for god's sake. A program where people pay 1.45 percent in only while they work and then go and get themselves and their wives who didn't work on full free old aged health care from the government and then they imagine there's some big surplus of money going into Medicare. Yeah right. It has about $85 trillion of unfunded promises right now. Look how great our politicians are. In just giving out Medicare to one generation the politicians have managed to hand out trillions more in Medicare costs than it took in and bankrupted the program in just one generation. This is what happens when the politicians are not honest with the people. The politicians just kept taking that money from the baby boomers and handing it out to the World War II people.

I remember back in the 1970s when I was in my early 20s I knew people who were in their 70s who were the first ones to receive Medicare and back then I figured it out that the government should just give people a voucher for a set amount rather than what they are doing with Medicare because back in those days when people first started getting that stuff they admitted to me that after one year on SS and Medicare that it was welfare to them. So it's not rocket science to see that if you have people getting these programs for 40 years and they paid enough to get the program for one year, add in the ones who go into rest homes for free for decades, and you see why Medicare, SS and Medicaid cost most of the federal budget. It's like people expect the government to give them health care and to do so at no charge to them. Well, the money has to come from somewhere, so now we borrow it. It would be much better if we had single payer Medicare for all because that way every person would be paying for Medicare so it would be funded and then young healthy people would be on it too and that bring the costs of Medicare way down and everyone in the country would have health care.

And notice how the Tea Party expects to have government health care just about for free for as long as they live retired and this is who says they hate socialism. It's stupidity and greed at its finest.

Since: Apr 07

Oak Ridge, TN

#56 Feb 26, 2013
Pamela wrote:
I love it when morons talk about how Medicare has a surplus, for god's sake.
Actually the Baby Boom generation is the largest generation in American history. We have put more than enough money into our Social Security and Medicare to meet all of our needs for the rest of our lives.

This is the way it works with the annual compounded interest a person who has paid $50.00 a month into their Medicare Trust Account over a 45 year period is owed $1,500,000.00 in Medicare benefits. That is 1.5 MILLION Dollars each in Medicare benefits.

In 1983 the Democrats under Reagan added a section to the Social Security and Medicare Acts that forces the Treasury to convert any and all surpluses into 'Special' Treasury Bonds and add our Retirement money to the General Tax Fund to be spent on everything other than our retirement benefits. You must keep in mind that the Baby boomers who have been paying into our Social Security and Medicare HAVE NOT started to receive any of the benefits they have been paying for.

Now that the Baby Boomers are reaching retirement age our money along with OUR compounded interest we have entrusted with the government is not there due to it being converted into 'Special' Treasury Bonds and spent by our greedy politicians in the Congress.

Our retirement money is gone. Those THIEVING Democrats have seen to that. Now we have got to survive the aftermath. The only 2way we are qable to reemburse our Social Security and Medicare trust funds is to convert those 'Special' Treasury Bonds into eDollars and use then to pay our Social Security and Medicare Benefits.

Take a moment and think about it. Every person who have paid their monthly premiums are owed a minimum of 1.5 MILLION DOLLARS in social Security and Medicare Benefits EACH. That is a mathematical FACT. If a person receives say $35,000.00 a year in Social Security benefits over a 20 year period that is $700,000.00 in benefits they will receive from their Social Security Trust Fund. That still leaves $800,000.00 PLUS the compounded interest their money has earned at the time of their death. Not only that but I have yet to run into a single person who have had to spend over $200,000.00 on their medical expenses during their entire life time.

Those THIEVING Democrats have been stealing us blind and then blaming us to cover up THEIR THIEVERY.

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“It's a Brand New Day”

Since: Feb 06

New Rochelle

#57 Feb 26, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
<quoted text>
Okay, but just so you realize, raising the top income which can be taxed without raising the max benefit someone can receive IS just another form of means testing; it only affects those earning over a certain amount.
Just so I realize?

I realize that it is a small step toward reversing the redistribution of wealth that has gone from the American middle class to the very wealthy.

The IRS just eliminated job expenses for wage earners by putting them to a high threashold. That already did that a decade ago with medical costs.

The tax codes are all tilted against working peole, because SOMBODY has to pay, and the poor can't and the rich won't.

Since: Apr 07

Oak Ridge, TN

#59 Feb 26, 2013
Billy Bats wrote:
<quoted text>
The guy says he has 362 Facebook Fans. Sounds like it's gonna be a landslide in '16.
That really isn't that bad considering how long my Fan Page has been open and the fact that this is a off political year.

You forgot the mention the 111,053 people who read everything I post on my Facebook wall. Yes I still have a very long way to go however it is a very good start.

I cannot do what I have set out to do without YOUR HELP.

Now is the time to get ACTIVE by joining our movement to save the Constitution and the Republic it created by go to my Fan Page and LIKE it.

So please help yourself by helping Jim Hayden reach 60 million LIKES. Then get ACTIVE by Sharing, Copying and Pasting Jim’s posts where ever you feel it appropriate and encourage your friends, families and strangers to do likewise.

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“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#60 Feb 26, 2013
Mr_Bill wrote:
<quoted text>
Just so I realize?
I realize that it is a small step toward reversing the redistribution of wealth that has gone from the American middle class to the very wealthy.
The IRS just eliminated job expenses for wage earners by putting them to a high threashold. That already did that a decade ago with medical costs.
The tax codes are all tilted against working peole, because SOMBODY has to pay, and the poor can't and the rich won't.
I'm sorry, I thought you said you were opposed to any means testing for social security.

I'm just pointing out that raising the income level subject to taxation without raising the cap on benefits IS a form of means testing.

For the record, I support it, along with other means testing.
Say the Truth

Ann Arbor, MI

#61 Feb 26, 2013
WeTheSheeple wrote:
So let the GOPasaurs lead by cutting their congressional staffs in half and cutting their own pay & benefits by half as well.
Congressional pay should make no more than the average income in the US- currently about $50k for a dual income household- as opposed to their current $174,000/yr income (plus benefits).
C'mon GOPasaurs, start cutting!
Why doesn't the DEAR LEADER refuse a salary and only take $1 as a token compensation?

“Headed toward the cliff”

Since: Nov 07

Tawas City, Michigan

#62 Feb 27, 2013
Say the Truth wrote:
<quoted text>
Why doesn't the DEAR LEADER refuse a salary and only take $1 as a token compensation?
Probably for the same reason Speaker Boner doesn't......
Pamela

Citrus Heights, CA

#63 Feb 27, 2013
Jim Hayden wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually the Baby Boom generation is the largest generation in American history. We have put more than enough money into our Social Security and Medicare to meet all of our needs for the rest of our lives.
This is the way it works with the annual compounded interest a person who has paid $50.00 a month into their Medicare Trust Account over a 45 year period is owed $1,500,000.00 in Medicare benefits. That is 1.5 MILLION Dollars each in Medicare benefits.
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The young people today are a larger generation than the baby boomers, so you are wrong there. The millenium generation is over 100,000, whereas the baby boomers are 80,000 and that's why the young people out-voted the old baby boomers and got Obama reelected.

The money they paid into SS and Medicare went to the World War II generation who paid nothing into Medicare and only one-half of ONE percent into Social Security. Where do you think the government got the money for the last 40 years to hand out to the World War II generation?? Not from them. From the working generation paying in. SS and Medicare are Ponzi schemes. The government did not have the backbone to tell the WWII folks the truth, that they did not pay in and that they are on welfare, so they took your money and gave it to your parents and played the Ponzi Scheme as far as it could go. Now it can no longer go on because in those days they had 30 people paying in for 1 person on it. It takes 30 other people paying in to get enough money together to pay one person on it, proving again people do not pay for it themselves. Today we only have 2 people paying in for 1 person on the programs.

There is no money in the fund when you are paying WWII people 200,000-500,000 per person for end of life care.

Third, you assume every person pays for 45 years. In reality, a ton of women never pay in one cent so you have two people on Medicare for the one man who paid in, his wife gets it too. If each end of life care costs 200K to 500K, and they also live like the WWII folks have, on Medicare for 40 years and have expensive surgeries and tests and meds, they all get millions more out than they paid in.

Also, a lot of people are going onto SS disability and Medicare now at 50. 7 milliom more people just went onto disability and disability is scheduled to go bankrupt in 2 more years, so you are wrong that people are paying in for 45 years. It's more like 25 years and many do not ever work and get SSI or get SS and Medicare because an ex-husband paid or husband paid in.

How come you can't see the $122 trillion of debt in SS and Medicare? The numbers are listed on the National Debt Clock. Right there in black and white. Total unfunded liabilities in SS and Medicare over $122 trillion and counting. Unfunded liabilities means promises the government has made in SS and Medicare beyond what people paid in. So obviously the programs are not paid for with tax money, obviously.
Pamela

Citrus Heights, CA

#64 Feb 27, 2013
I have been coming into Topix for 5 years and look how not one person can even speak to me. All it's been is 5 years of nonstop abuses the likes of which I have not ever seen, and all very low IQ cruel, functionally illiterate people all screaming and abusing. Not one person knows me nore speaks to me, and yet all I do is give out tons of information and have educated hundreds if not thousands of people for free by giving them tons of information.

All the people in here have ever said to me is they hope I die from cancer in my 50s, they hate on women and abuse women so badly, it's terrifying, and this is what Americans really are. 5 years and just like where I live for the last ten years, I do not have one person to talk to, not one friend, everyone is cruel, sadistically cruel. Someone had better step up to the plate and start asking the real questions. Why is the U.S. collapsing? Why are most of the people at retarded level? Why is everyone so Fking cruel? Why do they all abuse strangers? How come not one American has one thing to offer anyone ever other than abuse and wanting people to die? How did Americans get so sadistic and sick and cruel? Look at what this is, 5 years of my posting, and not one person will talk to me, it was not only a huge waste of time, I suffered through thousands of people abusing me, men abusing me over my being smart, women abusing me if I am athletic or not fat, all things people used to value in human beings, today you get killed in this third world craphole for being smart or thin. This is such sick crap. Had I known 5 years ago what Americans are, I would not ever have bothered going online anywhere at all. I would simply have left the U.S. 5 years ago.

I'm in here talking to people who can't speak to me because I am too intelligent and because I tell the truth, and I am talking at people who have told me long ago they want to kill me and/or rape me. Jesus Christ. This is what the U.S. is. This is my last day of this [email protected] I should have just left the country years ago. What a waste of life and of time and of energy, having the sh!t beaten out of my by strangers online while they go on and on about how great the country is and how free we all are and how great they are. Jesus Christ.

And look at the thousands of morons who used to come in here and ONLY repeat Fox TV who have IQs of about 90 who no longer come in here. All they were doing was repeating hate stories from the TV and hating on people online. All for nothing, all crap, all propaganda from the TV and then they just all go away after they sh!t all over strangers for a couple of years.

Since: Apr 07

Oak Ridge, TN

#65 Feb 27, 2013
Pamela wrote:
<quoted text>The young people today are a larger generation than the baby boomers, so you are wrong there. The millenium generation is over 100,000, whereas the baby boomers are 80,000 and that's why the young people out-voted the old baby boomers and got Obama reelected.
Actually if you must know the truth Obama was reelected with about 12% of the eligible vote. Obama did not win anything.The Evangelical Christians were willing to vote for Romney.

you are absolutely correct both Social Security and Medicare are ponzi schemes now we have to find a remedy to fix them. You seem to lack a basic knowledge of exactly how compounded annual interest works. Every year a person sets aside say $50.00 a month towards their retirement. Over the first year their money earns interest which is added to the principle at the end of the year. The following year and every year thereafter they continue to put aside $50.00 a month and every year their principle continue to earn interest which is added to the principle. They are being paid interest on the interest earned the previous years as the principle continues to grow. Over a 45 year period because of the compounded annual interest a $50.00 a month investment has grown into a $1,500,000.00 return. Look at any health insurance company or life insurance company. They pay out far more than what most people pay in. How do they stay in business? They live off of the compounded annual interest earned on the money people give them to invest.

Actually the World War II people did pay into both Social Security and Medicare since the Social Security Act was signed into law in 1932 and World War II didn't break out until December 6,1941.

Ever since 1983 the Congress has been using OUR Social Security and Medicare Trust Funds as their personal slush funds. by converting all of those 'Special' Treasury bonds into eDollars we can double or triple the amount of money being held in trust and without being forced to increase anybody's taxes or cutting anybody's benefits. As a matter of fact we will be able to increase everybody's benefits. Medicare will start paying 100% of a persons medical expenses while Social Security benefits can be increased.

The simple truth is those THIEVING Democrats have been stealing us blind and now we have got to figure out some way to fix this mess and the best way to accomplish that is by converting all of those worthless 'Special' Treasury bonds into aDollars and start paying people what they have paid for.

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