Democrats Push Hard on Fiscal Deal

Nov 27, 2012 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Roll Call

Durbin spoke about the future of Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid on Tuesday but said those discussions should not be part of the fiscal cliff plan.

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<quoted text>You confuse the trees with turnips sparky. Don't bounce too hard.
LOL and many fell off the truck for him.
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<quoted text>Somehow, California make's sense for you.....
NO, California makes no sense as we are ruled by socialist Democrats. They are tax and spending our state into ruin thanks to their socialist policies and state employee unions. They don't care that they have been destroying our state for years now and there is very little chance that we can save CA.
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<quoted text>Well if Obama is such a great leader, speaker and negotiator, he should put the whole negotiations on TV for all to see. You know make his liberal children proud. Remember, they work for us. What's all this back room hooey. Obama said he would be the most transparent ever. Let’s let him prove it.
You mean like this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

7 Lies In Under 2 Minutes

Yeah, let's get CSPAN so he can be transparent with no back room deals and pork barrel projects. lol
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<quoted text>He has broken the MIddle Class paying off voters from his first election,now he wants to decimate the wealthy to finish paying for the last election. And the debtors are lining up: Unions,the career welfare recipients,and the other special interest groups he begged donations and support from.
So, you are talking about the 47% that Obama appears to have bribed to vote for him? It looks like they all have their hands out now.

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<quoted text>Work's for me.....Give the public a chance, to see what true scumbags Eric Cantor and Paul Ryan are in HD....Make it so.....
You do know Obama's plan of 1.6 trillion in new debt and only 400 billion in cuts only makes the cliff higher. Tell him to grow up.

House Speaker John Boehner said in a statement:


In a letter sent to President Obama today, House Republican leaders made a new offer to avert the fiscal cliff centered around a middle ground approach first presented to Congress last year by President Clinton’s former White House chief of staff, Erskine Bowles. The Bowles plan, presented in 2011 to the Joint Select Committee on Deficit Reduction, is consistent with the framework House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) proposed the day after the election: a balanced approach of significant spending cuts and new revenues from tax reform with fewer loopholes and lower tax rates. This is another attempt to jumpstart substantive, good faith negotiations toward a bipartisan solution that can be enacted soon, a stark contrast to the unserious proposal the White House put forward last week.

In a document obtained by Right Turn from House Republicans, the plans match up as follows:


President’s Deficit Reduction

Tax Rates Increases:$960B

Elimination of Deductions:$600B

Spending Cuts:$400B



New Stimulus/Other

Infrastructure Spending:-$95-425B

Payroll Tax Extension:-$110B

Unemployment Insurance:-$30B

Stimulus Tax Extenders:-$27B

Unpaid for SGR Patch:-$25B

Mortgage Plan: Unknown

Elimination of Debt Limit: N/A

NET SAVINGS:(At most)$1.673T



House Republican Counter

(Based on the Bowles Proposal to the Joint Select Committee on Deficit Reduction)

Deficit Reduction

Revenue through Tax Reform:$800B

Health Savings:$600B

Other Mandatory Savings:$300B

Revision to CPI:$200B

Further Discretionary Savings:$300B

NET SAVINGS:$2.2T

A House leadership aide told Right Turn that “the GOP offer includes more deficit reduction than the White House offer last week, which included hundreds of billions in new ‘stimulus’ spending. Our net deficit reduction is $2.2 trillion, but if we were to utilize White House schemes to count (1) previously-enacted Budget Control Act savings,(2) a war savings gimmick, and (3) further interest savings, our proposal would result in $4.6 trillion in deficit reduction savings, much more than theirs.”

So we have the potential for a deal that is somewhere between Bowles’s plan last year and the president’s plan. It is not, however, a matter of simply total savings. The Republicans have included far less revenue, as well as less revenue to be obtained through tax reform. The Democrats have yet to present a substantive offer that looks at systemic entitlement reform. The Republicans have shown that, contrary to the liberal-media meme, Boehner and not Grover Norquist controls the House.(And we expect this is not even the final GOP offer, leaving room for more revenue perhaps.)

We are far from a deal. We’re not close, but we are no longer “nowhere.” Your turn, Mr. President.

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<quoted text>Work's for me.....Give the public a chance, to see what true scumbags Eric Cantor and Paul Ryan are in HD....Make it so.....
By Dana Milbank,
Dec 04, 2012 12:51 AM EST

The Washington Post Published: December 3

“My administration,” President Obama wrote on his first day in office,“is committed to creating an unprecedented level of openness in government.”

Those were strong and hopeful words. Four years later, it is becoming more and more clear that they were just words.

On Monday afternoon, open-government advocates assembled in a congressional hearing room to ponder what had become of the Obama administration’s lofty vows of transparency.

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Has absolutely nothing to do with Paul Ryan and House republicans being such scumbags.....
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<quoted text>He has broken the MIddle Class paying off voters from his first election,now he wants to decimate the wealthy to finish paying for the last election. And the debtors are lining up: Unions,the career welfare recipients,and the other special interest groups he begged donations and support from.
Translation, then the Democrats will allow America to go over the fiscal cliff because they do not negotiate.
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<quoted text>You do know Obama's plan of 1.6 trillion in new debt and only 400 billion in cuts only makes the cliff higher. Tell him to grow up.
House Speaker John Boehner said in a statement:
In a letter sent to President Obama today, House Republican leaders made a new offer to avert the fiscal cliff centered around a middle ground approach first presented to Congress last year by President Clinton’s former White House chief of staff, Erskine Bowles. The Bowles plan, presented in 2011 to the Joint Select Committee on Deficit Reduction, is consistent with the framework House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) proposed the day after the election: a balanced approach of significant spending cuts and new revenues from tax reform with fewer loopholes and lower tax rates. This is another attempt to jumpstart substantive, good faith negotiations toward a bipartisan solution that can be enacted soon, a stark contrast to the unserious proposal the White House put forward last week.
In a document obtained by Right Turn from House Republicans, the plans match up as follows:
President’s Deficit Reduction
Tax Rates Increases:$960B
Elimination of Deductions:$600B
Spending Cuts:$400B
New Stimulus/Other
Infrastructure Spending:-$95-425B
Payroll Tax Extension:-$110B
Unemployment Insurance:-$30B
Stimulus Tax Extenders:-$27B
Unpaid for SGR Patch:-$25B
Mortgage Plan: Unknown
Elimination of Debt Limit: N/A
NET SAVINGS:(At most)$1.673T
House Republican Counter
(Based on the Bowles Proposal to the Joint Select Committee on Deficit Reduction)
Deficit Reduction
Revenue through Tax Reform:$800B
Health Savings:$600B
Other Mandatory Savings:$300B
Revision to CPI:$200B
Further Discretionary Savings:$300B
NET SAVINGS:$2.2T
A House leadership aide told Right Turn that “the GOP offer includes more deficit reduction than the White House offer last week, which included hundreds of billions in new ‘stimulus’ spending. Our net deficit reduction is $2.2 trillion, but if we were to utilize White House schemes to count (1) previously-enacted Budget Control Act savings,(2) a war savings gimmick, and (3) further interest savings, our proposal would result in $4.6 trillion in deficit reduction savings, much more than theirs.”
So we have the potential for a deal that is somewhere between Bowles’s plan last year and the president’s plan. It is not, however, a matter of simply total savings. The Republicans have included far less revenue, as well as less revenue to be obtained through tax reform. The Democrats have yet to present a substantive offer that looks at systemic entitlement reform. The Republicans have shown that, contrary to the liberal-media meme, Boehner and not Grover Norquist controls the House.(And we expect this is not even the final GOP offer, leaving room for more revenue perhaps.)
We are far from a deal. We’re not close, but we are no longer “nowhere.” Your turn, Mr. President.
Like I said as Republicans provide ideas and "The Democrats will allow America to go over the fiscal cliff because they do not negotiate."
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<quoted text>By Dana Milbank,
Dec 04, 2012 12:51 AM EST
The Washington Post Published: December 3
“My administration,” President Obama wrote on his first day in office,“is committed to creating an unprecedented level of openness in government.”
Those were strong and hopeful words. Four years later, it is becoming more and more clear that they were just words.
On Monday afternoon, open-government advocates assembled in a congressional hearing room to ponder what had become of the Obama administration’s lofty vows of transparency.
You mean like this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch ...

7 Lies In Under 2 Minutes

Yeah, let's get CSPAN so he can be transparent. lol
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Has absolutely nothing to do with Paul Ryan and House republicans being such scumbags.....
You are right that has absolutely nothing to do with Paul Ryan and House republicans being such scumbags because as shown they are not at all, IMHO. However, for Obama it is the opposite as shown.

http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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You mean like this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch ...
7 Lies In Under 2 Minutes
Yeah, let's get CSPAN so he can be transparent. lol
Here's the link as the other copied one was acting up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

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Has absolutely nothing to do with Paul Ryan and House republicans being such scumbags.....
Obama's debt crisis, you are exactly right. Have you got your bus ticket. He is giving free passes for seats on the two million dollar buses he had made in Canada. They haven't been used but once or twice. Think of all the candy you could have bought with that.

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Like I said as Republicans provide ideas and "The Democrats will allow America to go over the fiscal cliff because they do not negotiate."
Negotiations with Republicans over the so-called "fiscal cliff" may be slow going for President Obama, but a new survey shows the president has the public on his side.

If Washington fails to avert the "cliff" -- triggering a series of spending cuts and tax hikes at the start of the new year, possibly dragging the economy into another recession -- most Americans, 53 percent, would blame congressional Republicans, according to a Pew Research Center poll. Just 27 percent would blame Mr. Obama, according to the poll, conducted Nov. 28 - Dec. 2.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-34222_162-5755700...

IF this poll holds to be true, the Republicans can kiss 2014 and 2016 good bye right now.

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Negotiations with Republicans over the so-called "fiscal cliff" may be slow going for President Obama, but a new survey shows the president has the public on his side.
If Washington fails to avert the "cliff" -- triggering a series of spending cuts and tax hikes at the start of the new year, possibly dragging the economy into another recession -- most Americans, 53 percent, would blame congressional Republicans, according to a Pew Research Center poll. Just 27 percent would blame Mr. Obama, according to the poll, conducted Nov. 28 - Dec. 2.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-34222_162-5755700...
IF this poll holds to be true, the Republicans can kiss 2014 and 2016 good bye right now.
Oh my, a cbs poll. Joke time again.

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<quoted text>Oh my, a cbs poll. Joke time again.
I remember the last poll your side thought was a 'joke'....how'd that turn out for you?

Are you willing to gamble it all AGAIN?

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I remember the last poll your side thought was a 'joke'....how'd that turn out for you?
Are you willing to gamble it all AGAIN?
Sure, I have nothing to lose by making you libeals pay taxes too.

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<quoted text>Obama's debt crisis, you are exactly right. Have you got your bus ticket. He is giving free passes for seats on the two million dollar buses he had made in Canada. They haven't been used but once or twice. Think of all the candy you could have bought with that.
Election's over...you should probably grab a clue, and move on....

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I remember the last poll your side thought was a 'joke'....how'd that turn out for you?
Are you willing to gamble it all AGAIN?
So sad when all the republican's can do for attention, is to be destructive to the process of government, disregard the good of the people and country in preference of their petty party politics....guess those record low, congressional approval numbers, just did'nt sink in.....

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<quoted text>So sad when all the republican's can do for attention, is to be destructive to the process of government, disregard the good of the people and country in preference of their petty party politics....guess those record low, congressional approval numbers, just did'nt sink in.....
You would have thought that the 2012 election would have been in the words of Sheriff Buford T. Justice "an attention getter." Or as James Carville stated "Pine on skull."

But it looks like they didn't learn their lesson the last time. They put me in mind of addicts, before they can admit they were wrong or need help they have to hit rock bottom...maybe 2014 and 2016 will be their rock bottom.

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