Obamacare set to launch, shutdown or not

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Memphis Mayor A C Wharton encourages residents of his city to sign up for the Affordable Care Act during a rally Monday.

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Paris

#133 Oct 4, 2013
Mykro wrote:
<quoted text>Yes you do.
Obama=332
Mittens=206
Teabag math wins again DUMBOSPAMBOT.
Obamacare activists STRIP to their underwear...

$175 monthly premium for a young, healthy student?

Exchange Sends List Of 2,400 Social Security Numbers To Broker...

Enjoy

Since: Nov 08

Paris

#134 Oct 4, 2013
Chicopee wrote:
<quoted text>
I didn't know FOX news tried to kill obamacare, nor that they killed ACORN as well. I thought voter fraud was what got them into hot water. But, since you're an expert on FOX, I guess you would know what everyone else says they did.
You can't talk logic to a turnip.

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Since: Sep 13

Kornfield Kounty

#135 Oct 4, 2013
Le Jimbo wrote:
<quoted text>Obamacare activists STRIP to their underwear...
$175 monthly premium for a young, healthy student?
Exchange Sends List Of 2,400 Social Security Numbers To Broker...
Enjoy
flubs 5,000 dead military still dead.

Since: Nov 08

Paris

#136 Oct 4, 2013
conservative crapola wrote:
<quoted text>flubs 5,000 dead military still dead.
So are the men at Benghazi. Spades anyone.

Since: Feb 08

Hypoluxo Fl

#137 Oct 4, 2013
Le Jimbo wrote:
<quoted text>You can't talk logic to a turnip.
We know. The turnip is way more intelligent than you are. DUMBOSPAMBOT.
CBOW

East Berlin, PA

#138 Oct 4, 2013
conservative crapola wrote:
<quoted text>
I didn't realize your family was in DC today.
Not mine, yours. It's nice it was a well to do black woman who was the assailant. If it had been a white dude, the racist comments would have never ended.

“BILLARY 2016 ”

Since: Aug 07

Location hidden

#139 Oct 4, 2013
Le Jimbo wrote:
<quoted text>
That's why intelligent people bought insurance years ago. Didn't the crips have Blue Cross.
What's a crip?
We have Humana. Have had it for years and have paid thousands into it. Guess what we got back? First, a sign at the pediatricians office "We no longer accept Humana". Then, hubby gets bit by feral cat trying to help old lady out and we are told by animal control that we can't go to a doctor, we HAVE to go to the ER to get the series of rabies shots. Total bill for shots?$12,000. The insurance counters with $900 and tells us they won't pay a dime, which they didn't. We paid the entire thing and then decided we are going to drop Humana and you're damn right we are going to sign up for ACA, just like millions of other Americans. It's our way of saying "F U insurance industry".

Oh, and if you think we're the only ones fed up with the criminal activity insurers have displayed for decades, not to mention the outlandish prices that hospitals charge for the most basic of services, think again. The time for change in the medical industry has come and not a moment too soon. Diseases related to obesity are predicted to cost Americans trillions in the near future.

But you already knew all that, didn't you, zippy?

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Since: Aug 07

Location hidden

#140 Oct 4, 2013
Cat74 wrote:
If I get sick, nothing has changed. I call the Doctor, and make an appointment, and go see the doctor. We have worked hard all our lives for our own care.
65% of Americans that file for bankruptcy list "Medical Bills" as their reason for losing everything and in most cases, they all carried health insurance.

Stay healthy, Alley Cat, because once you cost your insurer more than $200,000, they cap it off and you are left paying the hospital bills.
Oh, and those 65% who filed for bankruptcy? Yeah, they "worked hard all their lives for their own care, too."

Enjoy your bliss you ignorantphuck.
CBOW

East Berlin, PA

#141 Oct 4, 2013
x0x0x wrote:
<quoted text>What's a crip?
We have Humana. Have had it for years and have paid thousands into it. Guess what we got back? First, a sign at the pediatricians office "We no longer accept Humana". Then, hubby gets bit by feral cat trying to help old lady out and we are told by animal control that we can't go to a doctor, we HAVE to go to the ER to get the series of rabies shots. Total bill for shots?$12,000. The insurance counters with $900 and tells us they won't pay a dime, which they didn't. We paid the entire thing and then decided we are going to drop Humana and you're damn right we are going to sign up for ACA, just like millions of other Americans. It's our way of saying "F U insurance industry".
Oh, and if you think we're the only ones fed up with the criminal activity insurers have displayed for decades, not to mention the outlandish prices that hospitals charge for the most basic of services, think again. The time for change in the medical industry has come and not a moment too soon. Diseases related to obesity are predicted to cost Americans trillions in the near future.
But you already knew all that, didn't you, zippy?
You do realize that the insurers on the ACA exchanges are the very same insurers that screwed you already, right?
CBOW

East Berlin, PA

#142 Oct 4, 2013
x0x0x wrote:
<quoted text>What's a crip?
We have Humana. Have had it for years and have paid thousands into it. Guess what we got back? First, a sign at the pediatricians office "We no longer accept Humana". Then, hubby gets bit by feral cat trying to help old lady out and we are told by animal control that we can't go to a doctor, we HAVE to go to the ER to get the series of rabies shots. Total bill for shots?$12,000. The insurance counters with $900 and tells us they won't pay a dime, which they didn't. We paid the entire thing and then decided we are going to drop Humana and you're damn right we are going to sign up for ACA, just like millions of other Americans. It's our way of saying "F U insurance industry".
Oh, and if you think we're the only ones fed up with the criminal activity insurers have displayed for decades, not to mention the outlandish prices that hospitals charge for the most basic of services, think again. The time for change in the medical industry has come and not a moment too soon. Diseases related to obesity are predicted to cost Americans trillions in the near future.
But you already knew all that, didn't you, zippy?
There is no change to the medical industry, that's the point. There isn't even a drastic change to the insurance industry, except that more people are forced into it. Still huge deductibles and co-pays. The insurers still hold the cards, and the hospitals and doctors can still decide not to accept your coverage as payment.
CBOW

East Berlin, PA

#143 Oct 4, 2013
x0x0x wrote:
<quoted text>65% of Americans that file for bankruptcy list "Medical Bills" as their reason for losing everything and in most cases, they all carried health insurance.
Stay healthy, Alley Cat, because once you cost your insurer more than $200,000, they cap it off and you are left paying the hospital bills.
Oh, and those 65% who filed for bankruptcy? Yeah, they "worked hard all their lives for their own care, too."
Enjoy your bliss you ignorantphuck.
Defaults on "deductible" billings will still happen. Bankruptcy will still occur due to those defaults. That issue has not been addressed by Obamacare.

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#144 Oct 4, 2013
CBOW wrote:
<quoted text>
You do realize that the insurers on the ACA exchanges are the very same insurers that screwed you already, right?
Duh, yeah.
Here's the difference....
AFFORDABLE
AFFORDABLE
AFFORDABLE
AFFORDABLE

You do realize Americans are tired of being screwed by insurers?

If the ACA screws us like Humana, we'll drop them too. Actually, you don't need insurance in America. If you get sick, you can pay for the same kind of care in Europe for 1/10th the cost. That is our next move if we find the ACA to be the same ole same ole.
Thanks for caring though!

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Since: Aug 07

Location hidden

#145 Oct 4, 2013
CBOW wrote:
<quoted text>
Defaults on "deductible" billings will still happen. Bankruptcy will still occur due to those defaults. That issue has not been addressed by Obamacare.
Actually, it has.
Insurers can't cap their customers anymore and they
can't reject you for pre-existing conditions.
That's how a lot of Americans lose everything.
They get cancer, insurer drops them and then
another insurer won't pick them up, then they
go broke paying their medical bills.

Pretty simple stuff, BCOW!

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Since: Aug 07

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#146 Oct 4, 2013
PS, BCOW: There is also a growing movement to provide more PREVENTATIVE care to stem the tide of on-coming diseases, many of which are accelerated due to moderate to morbid obesity which seems to be exploding in Fast-Food America.
CBOW

East Berlin, PA

#147 Oct 4, 2013
x0x0x wrote:
<quoted text>Duh, yeah.
Here's the difference....
AFFORDABLE
AFFORDABLE
AFFORDABLE
AFFORDABLE
You do realize Americans are tired of being screwed by insurers?
If the ACA screws us like Humana, we'll drop them too. Actually, you don't need insurance in America. If you get sick, you can pay for the same kind of care in Europe for 1/10th the cost. That is our next move if we find the ACA to be the same ole same ole.
Thanks for caring though!
"Affordable" for how long? Once you are enrolled, you can't drop it without being fined. The ACA is another gubmint watchdog organization. Since it falls under the gubmint's oversight, the insurers attached to it will operate the same way the postal servcie and Amtrak operate. All they have to do is submit a request for increases to the authority and they will get approval. What you see is NOT what you will get.
CBOW

East Berlin, PA

#148 Oct 4, 2013
x0x0x wrote:
<quoted text>Actually, it has.
Insurers can't cap their customers anymore and they
can't reject you for pre-existing conditions.
That's how a lot of Americans lose everything.
They get cancer, insurer drops them and then
another insurer won't pick them up, then they
go broke paying their medical bills.
Pretty simple stuff, BCOW!
Cancer isn't necessarily a pre-existing condition. Remember the "death panels" Palin spoke of, she wasn't wrong. In the ACA bill, there are implications of end of life counseling and age issues. If the insurer deems you too old for treatment, they can reject treatment and offer the counseling. Not as simple as your think. Nice to see you're maintaining civility, XXXXXL. LOL!
CBOW

East Berlin, PA

#149 Oct 4, 2013
x0x0x wrote:
PS, BCOW: There is also a growing movement to provide more PREVENTATIVE care to stem the tide of on-coming diseases, many of which are accelerated due to moderate to morbid obesity which seems to be exploding in Fast-Food America.
Yes, something that even our overlords in the FDA didn't bother with until now. Why? I am all for living a healthy lifestyle, I am an asthmatic since birth, severe allergies to pets and pollen and have rheumatoid arthritis. Maintenance is part of my life.
sheepleloveroyal ty

Bryn Mawr, PA

#150 Oct 4, 2013
x0x0x wrote:
<quoted text>What's a crip?
We have Humana. Have had it for years and have paid thousands into it. Guess what we got back? First, a sign at the pediatricians office "We no longer accept Humana". Then, hubby gets bit by feral cat trying to help old lady out and we are told by animal control that we can't go to a doctor, we HAVE to go to the ER to get the series of rabies shots. Total bill for shots?$12,000. The insurance counters with $900 and tells us they won't pay a dime, which they didn't. We paid the entire thing and then decided we are going to drop Humana and you're damn right we are going to sign up for ACA, just like millions of other Americans. It's our way of saying "F U insurance industry".
Oh, and if you think we're the only ones fed up with the criminal activity insurers have displayed for decades, not to mention the outlandish prices that hospitals charge for the most basic of services, think again. The time for change in the medical industry has come and not a moment too soon. Diseases related to obesity are predicted to cost Americans trillions in the near future.
But you already knew all that, didn't you, zippy?
Cannot agree with you more that INSURANCE industry suck. AIG almost tanked an entire economy(I digress, apologies). They are greedy, they price fix, price gouge and don't deliver all the time. And as pointed out those same companies will be on the exchanges AND getting your paid tax subsidies.

The problem with ACA is that ASSumes INSURANCE is the only way to pay for health CARE. It leaves for few if any alternatives. And more importantly it leaves little or no incentive for the INSURANCE or health care industry to reduce costs or use other payment programs.

When I see people paying upwards of 1000 dollars a month you have to step back and think how many doctor visits could I buy for 1000 dollars. Over the decades INSURANCE morphed into a service plan even though the concept of INSURANCE was ment for individual catastrophic events and not routine maintenance. It should be you pay around a thousand a year, not month for catastrophic event insurance ie hospitalization and/or expensive procedures. Everything else should be out of pocket.

I don't think many are defending the INSURANCE industry. But you have to keep in mind that INSURANCE, a bet that you might need that payout is sold as 'peace of mind'. You mess with people's peace of mind or sense of security and all heck will break lose.

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Since: Aug 07

Location hidden

#151 Oct 4, 2013
CBOW wrote:
<quoted text>
"Affordable" for how long? Once you are enrolled, you can't drop it without being fined. The ACA is another gubmint watchdog organization. Since it falls under the gubmint's oversight, the insurers attached to it will operate the same way the postal servcie and Amtrak operate. All they have to do is submit a request for increases to the authority and they will get approval. What you see is NOT what you will get.
Hmmmmmm....let's see.
$1000 fine or pay $6,000 per year for Humana Insurance who has yet
to pay us a dime for any visits to the doctor?

I'll get back to you. That's a tough one.....NOT.

FYI, heart surgery in America averages $30,000.
Fly to Ireland and get it and pay a total of $4,000 and that
includes the flight, hotel and procedure.

Hospitals are feeling the heat and many are now switching and using the model that Cleveland Clinic is using which has cut costs and actually made healthcare less wasteful and far more productive.
The ACA is law. It's not going anywhere so you better hope it's successful because it seems to be the only thing as of late that has forced hospitals and insurance companies to re-evaluate their greed, their waste and their devastating effects on the US economy.

No where else in the world can you get sick and lose everything you've worked for like you can here in the so-called "greatest country in the world". That is NOT going to happen to me and my family because in case you hadn't noticed, it's not that hard to beat the system since the idiots running it are, well, idiots.
serfs up

Ormond Beach, FL

#152 Oct 4, 2013
x0x0x wrote:
<quoted text>Hmmmmmm....let's see.
$1000 fine or pay $6,000 per year for Humana Insurance who has yet
to pay us a dime for any visits to the doctor?
I'll get back to you. That's a tough one.....NOT.
FYI, heart surgery in America averages $30,000.
Fly to Ireland and get it and pay a total of $4,000 and that
includes the flight, hotel and procedure.
Hospitals are feeling the heat and many are now switching and using the model that Cleveland Clinic is using which has cut costs and actually made healthcare less wasteful and far more productive.
The ACA is law. It's not going anywhere so you better hope it's successful because it seems to be the only thing as of late that has forced hospitals and insurance companies to re-evaluate their greed, their waste and their devastating effects on the US economy.
No where else in the world can you get sick and lose everything you've worked for like you can here in the so-called "greatest country in the world". That is NOT going to happen to me and my family because in case you hadn't noticed, it's not that hard to beat the system since the idiots running it are, well, idiots.
And what people will do is live a downsized life for their medical benefits. Which will further dampen the economy. I sure don't envy the youth of America.

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