House votes to derail Obamacare, fund...

House votes to derail Obamacare, fund government

There are 91 comments on the MDJonline.com story from Sep 20, 2013, titled House votes to derail Obamacare, fund government. In it, MDJonline.com reports that:

The GOP-controlled House voted Friday to cripple President Barack Obama's health care law as part of a risky ploy that threatens a partial shutdown of the government in a week and a half.

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“Happiness comes through giving”

Since: Feb 08

Location hidden

#46 Sep 20, 2013
Jeff Brightone wrote:
<quoted text>Undoubtedly, Ted Cruz is a bright patriotic leader who realized that he and the GOP House can defeat the coward Obama if they play their cards right and are united with the big support of the American people. In fact, the GOP conservative Congressmen are stronger than the one lonely man Obama who fights against the interests of the American people which means that they can negotiate terms of extended loans to the scared Obama regime or else Obama regime will be closed out of business of ruining America for the American people on a daily basis step after step. GOP House conservatives are very powerful when they are united behind Speaker Boehner and House Leader Cantor in forcing Obama to stop his EPA war against coal energy and against the Keystone oil pipe from Canada in return for approving loans for the Obama regime. The spineless RINO losers led by McCain, McConnell should be defeated and ousted for going blind after Obama anti-American agenda of self destruction. The media will never stop blaming GOP House for the shutdown but the American people do not listen to the liberal media of crooks and America haters. It is time for the great Boehner to enjoy the power of the GOP ruled House to close-out the anti-American Obama regime with the big support of the American people against the hostile dictator Obama who despises the American people more than ever before.
You've become Jester to the Topix Troglodytes.
ALL HAIL JEFF DIMSTONE - King of Fools!
Robert

Douglasville, GA

#47 Sep 20, 2013
sheepleloveroyalty wrote:
<quoted text>
Absolutely right it was an INSURANCE bill. And it doesn't necessarily lower COSTS. You have out of pocket including deductibles, copays and non covered procedures and visits. All this preventative care crap is half the reasons premiums will rise or have risen because INSURANCE was meant for catastrophic events & illnesses and NOT routine maintenance. And the time and money spent on so called preventative care will be offset by the financial strain placed on doctors and patients. It also requires or needs people under 30 and employers to pay for health care for this to work and that's not happening with the part-timing corporate America has been going to for over a decade at this point and the economy sucks so many won't find jobs that pay enough. Even $2000 year premiums(no patient expenses included either) could take away utility, rent, gas, food or car insurance money let alone a domestic emergency like a plumbing repair.
COSTs ARE THE problem, not lack of INSURANCE which has been exploited by the health care industry for decades. You wouldn't have 100 dollar aspirin if it weren't for insurance. Many patients dug their own health insurance grave by demanding if not expecting INSURANCE pay for routine maintenance, the sniffles and boo boos.
Obama Care simply substitutes big government for corporate America. It was already a pseudo socialist system because patients AND doctors demanded that INSURANCE be the voluntary/preferred method of payment with other options out there.
You are correct about one of the major drivers of cost, insurance for health should be like other insurance, for major losses. You would never dream of paying State Farm to insure your car including washing and waxing the car if it gets dirty, oil changes, tire rotations, ect. When you take a simple doctor visit and run it through the layers of bureaucracy and medical claims all you do is increase cost. People with insurance don't worry about what something cost only if it is covered.

The uninsured should have nothing to do with this problem either. We fix the problem with the solution which is best for the people who pay for health care not the ones who don't. The uninsured is a separate problem and should have a separate solution.

“Yeah, but...”

Since: Sep 11

MILKY WAY

#48 Sep 20, 2013
Lawrence Wolf wrote:
<quoted text>What is important is to provide services to our citizens that improve their lives. The average Joe or Jane are usually too busy dealing with their personal life situations to make informed judgments about matters that affect national policy.
With Obamacare in particular, the program is extremely complex and has not been successfully explained to most Americans. While a majority say they oppose Obamacare, it is most often because they don't understand it, and are thus vulnerable to lies about the program. As proof of this, when the benefits are clearly described to people one issue at a time, the majority favors them.
This is not about Obama's ego. This is about exploiting the public's lack of understanding of the benefits of the Affordable Care Act, by those who want to destroy Obama at any cost.
Your premise is that the Average Joe or Jane is too stupid to know that paying a tax for the privilege of having a little bit of freedom taken away is a good thing. What do they need freedom for? After all, Damnocrats know better. In fact, even after it was explained over and over that the tax is a good thing, the average Jane and Joe still don't want it. What more evidence does one need that they don't have the right to be free?
sheepleloveroyal ty

Pottstown, PA

#49 Sep 20, 2013
Robert wrote:
<quoted text>
You are correct about one of the major drivers of cost, insurance for health should be like other insurance, for major losses. You would never dream of paying State Farm to insure your car including washing and waxing the car if it gets dirty, oil changes, tire rotations, ect. When you take a simple doctor visit and run it through the layers of bureaucracy and medical claims all you do is increase cost. People with insurance don't worry about what something cost only if it is covered.
The uninsured should have nothing to do with this problem either. We fix the problem with the solution which is best for the people who pay for health care not the ones who don't. The uninsured is a separate problem and should have a separate solution.
Absolutely-'separate problems separate solutions'. That is the problem with COSTs. There are many different costs from expensive/excessive medical school costs which doctors have cried about in the past to the 100 dollar aspirin. One reason they can't figure out the cost problem is exactly that, they charge 100 dollars for the aspirin to cover their desired fee for something else. If nothing else honest upfront accounting and billing from the medical care industry.

But mandatory insurance regardless of the guidelines thrown in with it is basically throwing money at the problem. Money is not the solution. Too much money is already the problem.

Keep funding for the seniors and the drop dead desperate poor in future legislation but subsidies for a 28 year old WORKING at Walmart???...no way.
American Lady

Danville, KY

#50 Sep 20, 2013
OBAMA:'THEY'RE TRYING TO MESS WITH ME!'
[la wa la waa - get my binky :)]
Not just 'wacko birds': 227 Republicans target Obamacare

The next battle in the war against Obamacare will be in the Senate.

“It is now in the hands of Harry Reid and Senate Democrats to do what the American people are asking for – defunding Obamacare,” observed Rep. Steve King, R-Iowa, while pointing out 57 percent of Americans now oppose Obamacare.

Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2013/09/obama-theyre-tryin...

Whiteeagle 4 hours ago
You WISH !!!!... They Don't Really Care About 'Messin' With You ... They Want You OUT !!!... FOOL !!

Larry 4 hours ago
So, the tough little homosexual is fightin' mad. Better watch out -- he might start a slap-fight with someone!
conservative crapola

Allentown, PA

#52 Sep 21, 2013
ACA open enrollment begins: 10 days.
serfs up

Ormond Beach, FL

#53 Sep 21, 2013
conservative crapola wrote:
ACA open enrollment begins: 10 days.
Saul Alinsky lives!
conservative crapola

Allentown, PA

#54 Sep 21, 2013
serfs up wrote:
<quoted text> Saul Alinsky lives!
A-man depends on supplicants, like you, to keep his memory alive. You're A-man's wet dreams. Keep his dream alive, boy.

Since: Sep 08

Neon City Oh.

#55 Sep 21, 2013
It is really sad that the best thing republicans in Washington can do for America is go on vacation.
serfs up

Ormond Beach, FL

#56 Sep 21, 2013
conservative crapola wrote:
<quoted text>
A-man depends on supplicants, like you, to keep his memory alive. You're A-man's wet dreams. Keep his dream alive, boy.
And you are A-mans slave. His dreams are reality. I am just telling everyone who the enemy is. For people have forgotten how to think for themselves and are emasculated when they do from people like you. Saul Alinsky lives.
Stoneman

Boise, ID

#57 Sep 21, 2013
Lawrence Wolf wrote:
<quoted text>I'd trade in Obamacare for a single payer program. If you can't give me that, I'll stick with Obamacare. The worst scenario for our out-of-control previous health care system was to do nothing.
Here's a novel idea: PAY FOR YOUR OWN DAMNED HEALTH CARE.

I'm sick to death of lefties going thru twists and contortions to disguise what they really want--

They want the gubbermint to pay for their housing, so they have Section 8.

They want taxpayers to pay for their groceries, so they have EBT cards.

They want somebody else to pay for their kids' lunches. Then after they have that, they want us to pay for their kids' breakfasts. Then summer vacation food.

On and on and on.

Want to know the solution to the whole problem? IF YOU DON'T PAY FOR YOUR HEALTH CARE, YOU DON'T GET HEALTH CARE. You don't show up at the ER and expect somebody to take care of you. I don't go to a car dealership without a bank account and expect a car.

You would be surprised how many people who don't have health insurance or health savings accounts would get them if they knew they wouldn't get help if they didn't.

Who knows-- a few lefties might forego that extra six-pack every weekend and put money aside for a rainy day?

What am I thinking. Lefties don't do that. As soon as the weather gets cloudy, the hand goes out.

Since: Nov 08

Paris

#58 Sep 21, 2013
Sterkfontein Swartkrans wrote:
<quoted text>If we didn't have to fund useless wars started for no reason by rethugs and democrats there would be enough money to adequately fund health care!
Speaking of Syria, Egypt, and Yemen

Since: Nov 08

Paris

#59 Sep 21, 2013
sheepleloveroyalty wrote:
<quoted text>Seniors are the only ones who should be getting subsidized health care. But there is still a cost problem in senior care and that's too many doctors and senior health care providers know how to exploit and bill medicare/Medicaid. Until they focus on the COSTs and not who is paying for it we will spend ourselves into the ground with third party/insurance based health care. INSURANCE should be for catastrophic events and not routine maintenance. Sniffles and boo boo sufferers need to learn basic first aid and how to take care of themselves with fitness, nutrition and otc remedies. Every ache and pain need not be checked by medical "professionals" practicing production line cya medicine.

I'd rather pay a flat fee for seniors than deal with the ACA which will not enhance the quality of life they ASSume it will do.
Go to a wic office, SS, SSI or welfare and all you see are Hispanics that don't know enough English to know when their number is called. Obama advertised in Mexico for free welfare.

Since: Nov 08

Paris

#60 Sep 21, 2013
Lawrence Wolf wrote:
<quoted text>I'd trade in Obamacare for a single payer program. If you can't give me that, I'll stick with Obamacare. The worst scenario for our out-of-control previous health care system was to do nothing.
You must like the 21 new taxes especially.

Since: Nov 08

Paris

#61 Sep 21, 2013
Ray Donovan wrote:
<quoted text>Of course it's a train wreck, that's the idea. They want to be left with one option (in their narrow minds)- socialized health care.
ObamaCare blew libs out in 2010 and will be their demise in 2014 as well.

Since: Nov 08

Paris

#62 Sep 21, 2013
conservative crapola wrote:
ACA open enrollment begins: 10 days.
Yes it was announced on Obama phones. They just can't pay for it
peaches

United States

#63 Sep 21, 2013
Impeach obama and all his thugs

Since: Apr 09

Location hidden

#64 Sep 21, 2013
Jeff Brightone wrote:
Thanks the Lord for the great patriotic American leaders Speaker John Boehner, House Leader and Senator Ted Cruz and Rand pall and others that stood rock bottom to the evil charlatan liberal dictator Barack Hussein Obama in their effort to defeat the anti-American socialistic Obama scam care agenda and save lives of millions of our parents and our grandparents that could become victims without doctors, no hospitals and no medication under the biggest conspiracy of transformation of America to the land of the sick of the world by Obama. Most of the American people demanded the halt of the major transformation of America to the food stamp and free Obamacare to tens of millions of America hating foreign illegal invaders that Obama need their votes to destroy and eliminate the GOP for his liberal dictatorship. The American people demanded to stop the Obama conspiracy against America and the House was right to stop the despicable Obama scam law that was approved by the sold-out Judge Roberts of the Supreme Court under Obama pressure.
LOL...you can't earn your "Fully Demented" merit badge unless you throw in the word Muslim...
guest

United States

#65 Sep 21, 2013
Sterkfontein Swartkrans wrote:
<quoted text>If we didn't have to fund useless wars started for no reason by rethugs and democrats there would be enough money to adequately fund health care!
Bush wasn't a Democrat.
guest

United States

#66 Sep 21, 2013
ICE wrote:
<quoted text>" We have to pass it so they people knows what's in it" Nancy Pelosi, we still know nothing of whats in it, if its such a good thing why did congress exempt themselves from it? I'm going to go with ole Max Baucus "It's a train wreck"
Congress is not exempt, it's written into the ACA law that Congress has to buy from the exchange like you do. A Republican had it included in the bill and the Democrats kept it in the bill.

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