Kan. tax fight may impact homeowners

Kansas legislators have jumped into a tax dispute over refineries and fertilizer and cement plants, but critics worry that helping their operators could pinch local governments and hurt homeowners and small businesses.

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doittoya

Coffeyville, KS

#1 Mar 12, 2013
This bill has little to do with business incentives and a lot to do with paying off the corporate interests that bankrolled the "severely conservative" takover of Kansas. Homeowners and the average person, through sales taxes, will pay the bills in Brownback's Corporate Utopia.
Beaner

Coffeyville, KS

#2 Mar 13, 2013
what do you think the chances are that the majority of the 191,000 people who don't have to pay state income taxes are all chamber of commerce members.And what do you think of the guy from northeast kansas offering up a bill to exempt himself from being in any area that has to pay higher taxes like montgomery and mcpherson if the assessment rates are changed.
So much for equal protection under the law. Thank you Brownback and Kansas legislature.
Beaner

Coffeyville, KS

#3 Mar 13, 2013
My bet is that this will be the only time in thier lives they (191,000) actually claim what they actually make in income.
Choo Choo

Erie, KS

#4 Mar 13, 2013
Read the story in the Chronicle last week. Frightening to hear the anticipation of a massive tax shift on our already burdened property taxes. This is a stupid policy.
Beaner

Coffeyville, KS

#5 Mar 13, 2013
I disagee Choo Choo. The people in the legislature know exactly what they are doing. Thier next step will be to privatize any and all state pensions so they can get thier hands on the money. Raise the costs of administration by privatizing and the benefits go down with no oversight. They know exactly what they are doing. Shift the burden of taxes to home owners and business gets another free ride. Eliminate the unions and all job protections for workers and again they get a free ride.
I notice Stocks, Banks, and Corporations all have more profits and cash on hand than at any other time in our history. The only wealth that has not been sucked out of the economy is Social Security, Pensions and Medicare. I am sure they will go after that next.
Wealth goes from the bottom up always so the greedy are going to have to take what people have worked thier lives to accumulate. Welcome to conservative Kansas.
What the heck

Independence, KS

#6 Mar 13, 2013
Are you talking about. Your man got in the oval office. So get over it. You are clueless!!!!!!

whiners, friggin crybabies, omg call pat and buy a clue.
Beaner

Coffeyville, KS

#7 Mar 14, 2013
If you do not understand what I posted in plain english, I would hesitate to call some one else clueless. I suggest you put down your bottle of lube, curtail obsessing over Vanna, and try listening to the news more often.
reasoning with fools

Coffeyville, KS

#8 Mar 14, 2013
Beaner wrote:
I disagee Choo Choo. The people in the legislature know exactly what they are doing. Thier next step will be to privatize any and all state pensions so they can get thier hands on the money. Raise the costs of administration by privatizing and the benefits go down with no oversight. They know exactly what they are doing. Shift the burden of taxes to home owners and business gets another free ride. Eliminate the unions and all job protections for workers and again they get a free ride.
I notice Stocks, Banks, and Corporations all have more profits and cash on hand than at any other time in our history. The only wealth that has not been sucked out of the economy is Social Security, Pensions and Medicare. I am sure they will go after that next.
Wealth goes from the bottom up always so the greedy are going to have to take what people have worked thier lives to accumulate. Welcome to conservative Kansas.
It doesn't appear to be the business' that are getting "out" of paying anything. Aren't they just wanting to be taxed the way they always had been on their personal property? The accessor had NO RIGHT to charge CVR for real estate tax on what had always been considered personal property. The accessor charge NO other business that same way that same year. How they just thought they could do that is impossible to understand. The fact is if we don't take the hit on property tax then we will loose business, which means jobs will go, which means taxes will go up anyway to cover the loss of revenue. The state is going to screw the little guy one way or the other. But personally I would rather pay more for my property tax than loose the job that supports my family. Companies like Amazon, Cessna, and others will NOT stick around in southeast KS and pay such an outragious amount on their personal property that would then be charged as real estate. They just won't do it when they relocate those types of companies often anyway so it's not like they won't consider leaving for someplace that actually taxes them correctly. If they change the law and start charging all these business' for having real estate when it's just their equipment (personal property) but has to be set on concrete to level it and keep it in place and stable then they companies will not only cut back on employees but may relocate all together. It just will happen. Either take the hit as a property owner or face massive job losses and even less tax payers since people have to go where the jobs are. And they won't be here!!!
Beaner

Coffeyville, KS

#9 Mar 14, 2013
I disagree!! At least one of the companies here in the country has found the answer to rising costs and it is not moving as they simply retire, fire whomever of thier employees who reach the limit on wages. The threat of the companies moving is no longer valid since we who live here have watched many move anyway once thier tax abatement runs out and they stop getting freebees from the county.
We all know it is only a numbers game with business. I am sure you are quite happy for all of us to subsidize the company you work for. You have the luxury of having a job. Many in this county are on fixed incomes and a rise in tax rates would devastate the lives -finances- well being of the citizens. Remember the first task of government is the safety and well being of the people governed. That is not happening now in Kansas.
news flash

Coffeyville, KS

#10 Mar 16, 2013
It is not a matter of giving the companies anything, they just want to be taxed as they always have be. The accessor is trying to charge them as real estate for their personal property, which is all their equipment is. Would you want them coming in your garaage and charging you a real estate tax for every piece of personal property you have in it? The fact is liberals have spent so much time making all business and anyone with money seem like they are just evil so now anytime there is talk of doing anything that concerns business or the rich all they talk about is how to stick it to them in order to save the little guy from their evil intentions. It's crap. The st of KS is going to sttick it to the little guy either way. And there is also nothing wrong with wanting to keep the job you have, it is not some crime to want employment.
Beaner

Coffeyville, KS

#12 Mar 19, 2013
news flash wrote:
It is not a matter of giving the companies anything, they just want to be taxed as they always have be. The accessor is trying to charge them as real estate for their personal property, which is all their equipment is. Would you want them coming in your garaage and charging you a real estate tax for every piece of personal property you have in it? The fact is liberals have spent so much time making all business and anyone with money seem like they are just evil so now anytime there is talk of doing anything that concerns business or the rich all they talk about is how to stick it to them in order to save the little guy from their evil intentions. It's crap. The st of KS is going to sttick it to the little guy either way. And there is also nothing wrong with wanting to keep the job you have, it is not some crime to want employment.
First off, thier new equipment has been tax exempt since 2006,anytime they build something new the government finances them 40 per cent of the cost. If they cut a unit apart say in alton Illinois for instance and bring it to coffeyville and reassemble it, the government finances them 60 percent of the cost. I am soo happy that all of us are taxed equally. Can you just imagine the number of mansions to be built here in coffeyville? Of course if all the increased refining capacity is exempted we can pay more to save a job or two. But we all know that the refinery is not going away. No amount of Kansas City bankers have enough money to clean up that contaminated mess. A more likely scenario would be to keep one or two units operating forever to avoid the clean up costs like Sun Oil did in tulsa.(In 1969 while welding on piping in a ditch at the refinery, my work clothes were eaten by acid leaking out of the ground. It was so bad that the ditch had to be lined with plywood for us to finish the job))
reasoning with fools

Coffeyville, KS

#13 Mar 19, 2013
Beaner wrote:
<quoted text>First off, thier new equipment has been tax exempt since 2006,anytime they build something new the government finances them 40 per cent of the cost. If they cut a unit apart say in alton Illinois for instance and bring it to coffeyville and reassemble it, the government finances them 60 percent of the cost. I am soo happy that all of us are taxed equally. Can you just imagine the number of mansions to be built here in coffeyville? Of course if all the increased refining capacity is exempted we can pay more to save a job or two. But we all know that the refinery is not going away. No amount of Kansas City bankers have enough money to clean up that contaminated mess. A more likely scenario would be to keep one or two units operating forever to avoid the clean up costs like Sun Oil did in tulsa.(In 1969 while welding on piping in a ditch at the refinery, my work clothes were eaten by acid leaking out of the ground. It was so bad that the ditch had to be lined with plywood for us to finish the job))
Leaving a "skeleton crew" is not out of question for the refinery. Sherwin Williams did it didn't they? No clean up cost but NO JOBS available either. The fact is they should pay tax for the equipment they have and they are not disputing that fact. The problem is HOW they are being taxed for it. Equipment is not and should not be charged as real estate, it just isn't. No more than the tools and welders and anything else someone has in their garage for shop should be considered as and taxed as real estate. It is personal property and that is how it should be taxed. KS is trying to screw big business just like they are the little guy. They know that either way they will be increasing their revenue so they will have more money to waste, since that is about all they seem interested in doing with it.
This is NOT big business vs. the little guy. This is tax payers vs. the crooked state of KS and those in a position of power in KS. The bs with trying to make this us against them is just how they distract from the real issue which is the state trying to cheat business on their taxes. The bs about the little guy taking a hit or big business is just their distraction from the real issue because they know they have taxed us to death already and if given a choice of course we would all be saying "stick it to big business, not us, they can afford it". The truth of the matter is just because someone has money doesn't mean the government or the states have a right to screw them over and cheat them. It's just become so much more acceptable to screw the big guy to save the little guy when the truth is BOTH will be paying more and BOTH will be cheated when it's over!

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