Governor Corbett Gives First Budget A...

Governor Corbett Gives First Budget Address

There are 167 comments on the WFMZ story from Mar 8, 2011, titled Governor Corbett Gives First Budget Address. In it, WFMZ reports that:

Pennsylvanian Governor Tom Corbett gave his first budget address today in Harrisburg.

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Homer Hickem

Weatherly, PA

#104 Mar 9, 2011
Berksteacher wrote:
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Hi Homer,
I am a contracted employee. As per my contract I earn roughly $50,000 for 185 days of contracted work. No more, no less. I have the option of being paid over the summer......but I'm not paid FOR the summer. A bit of a distinction.
My prior statement was not meant to blur the facts.
And again.....I would love to work through the summer......the system we have today harkens back to an agrarian society, where farming families needed help bringing in their crops. Students would benefit from the increased instruction.
You know I don't care for unions, however I am beggining to see the point. Although allow me to say you consider your pay a annual rate of $50,000 a year for 185 days work. Most people work 270 days a year. Would it then be correct to assume you would work through the summer like the rest of the labor force 270 days for that $50000 or
an additional $22,972 that is what the extra 85 days would pay at your rate. Then we are to assume you value a years pay at $72,972.
I wonder how many would agree with that?
That thing I said about starting to like the union idea may or may not stick according to your answer. I make a little more than that figure with a BS and some additional engineering certifications for 270+ days a year and work at home well into the night everynight, hence my posting in here at all hours.
It is gonna hurt

Springtown, PA

#105 Mar 9, 2011
People want tax cuts and less government spending, great but nobody wants to give up anything to get there.

Since: Jun 07

Allentown Pa

#106 Mar 9, 2011
ANGRY MACUNGIE RESIDENT wrote:
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I'm not greedy and I've been paying for them. They could afford to do it back when I was in school, they can't now! Wake up!
Without an increase in pay, the costs go up with inflation. Heating costs have gone up nearly 100% over the last 4 years, maintenance costs go up, electricity is up 70% over the last 2 years. The schools, like everyone else are effected by inflation. Since the appraised value of homes is a constant in the county, the only way to keep up with inflation is to raise taxes. In East Penn, the school district is continuously growing due to the growth of the communities with new homes and developments going up every month. This forces the district to build new schools. Problem is, the cost of the schools isn't absorbed by the increase in taxes by the homes built that force the schools to be built. If you have a problem with the costs blame the townships and the builders that keep building and allowing the building of new neighborhoods each month.

Since: Jun 07

Allentown Pa

#107 Mar 9, 2011
Common Sense wrote:
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Could be wrong, but I think Mocha's original post was sarcasm or trolling. I don't know of anybody seriously talking about this type of extreme action, and it sounds to me to be what somebody against "tax cuts for the rich" would say to make those folks look bad.
I will add, however, that even this extreme example would have some benefits that you yourself are pointing out without realizing it. Keep in mind that "shareholders" today aren't just the rich, they are also the smart everyday working man with money in a 401(k). Yes, those with more wealth to invest benefit more from increased company profits, but this is a perfect illustration of the fact that it's not always as simple as those who preach class warfare would have you believe!
You're right, not every stock holder is "rich", but it is a fact that 85% of all stock is owned by the top 10%. Half of that owned by the top 1%. So the "rich" disproportionately would benefit.
Tax cuts on the middle class would increase demand, which in turn would increase profits, and create the need to hire more people. Which would then put more money in the hands of people that would spend it. Increasing demand again. It's a cycle, one that would benefit a much larger portion of our society.
John

Catasauqua, PA

#108 Mar 9, 2011
Corbugett wrote:
I don't know about this guy. Bonusgate, gamblers, gaming commission , marcellus shale , and now he wants all the education system to take a freeze for one year.
When was the last time the PSEA gave up anything ? They're used to taking , not going backwards. Most of the school boards are stacked ! Get ready, The budgets will still get passed to the taxpayers and forget about band, sports and any other program being cut. Corbett just gave all 501 school districts a pass to sling it to the homeowner.
We have a long way to go before we get out in the streets and riot. Thats why our money went for more state political action police.
PSEA does not go backwards. If they did, we would all be making 25,000 a year. The taxpayers will receive the heat for this action by Corbett because even if teachers freeze their salary, and thy won't nor should they. Why? Because when there was no recession, teachers had to go with two and three years to get a contract, call a strike and become know to some as hostage takers when they did call a strike. Now there is a recession and everything is centered on education. Think about it. When there was no recession, poeple posting here did not give one dam about a teachers salary, pension, tenure, etc. Now there is a recession casued by bankers and Wall St. investors and who gets blamed- teachers. Chris Christie is the major cause of this entire fiasco. Now it is in Ohio and Wisconsin. Where were these people 5 years ago. They were all tied up in their high paying jobs and they could care less about teachers. Now, the teachers are the sole reason the state budgets are in the cellar. Is the entire Pa. budget just funding to the districts and teacher pensions. That makes up the entire state budget of 27.3 billion. All that money for education. Is some of that money used for anyhting else?
John

Catasauqua, PA

#109 Mar 9, 2011
By the way, Corbett found some money to give to his rich GOP buddies who send their kid to private or parochial school in the form of vouchers. How did he find money for that. This guy is out in 4 years.
John

Catasauqua, PA

#110 Mar 9, 2011
The assault on education by the GOP is amazing when you think about it.

Who led the charge for charter schools?
GOP led by Tom Ridge.

Who is leading the charge to do away with pensions?
GOP led by Christie and Scott whatever his name is

Who wants to put vouchers and choice in place?
GOP

Who wants to end tenure?
GOP

Who wants teachers to be paid based on performance?
GOP- but actually so do I but finding a tool to evaluate effectively is the problem.

Who wants to do away with teacher strikes?
GOP

Who wants to do away with collective bargaining?
GOP?

Who implemented the NCLB?
GOP George Bush

Who pushed through Act1 which limits the percent of tax a district could raise in a year?
GOP
Corbudgett

Bethlehem, PA

#111 Mar 9, 2011
John wrote:
<quoted text>
PSEA does not go backwards. If they did, we would all be making 25,000 a year. The taxpayers will receive the heat for this action by Corbett because even if teachers freeze their salary, and thy won't nor should they. Why? Because when there was no recession, teachers had to go with two and three years to get a contract, call a strike and become know to some as hostage takers when they did call a strike. Now there is a recession and everything is centered on education. Think about it. When there was no recession, poeple posting here did not give one dam about a teachers salary, pension, tenure, etc. Now there is a recession casued by bankers and Wall St. investors and who gets blamed- teachers. Chris Christie is the major cause of this entire fiasco. Now it is in Ohio and Wisconsin. Where were these people 5 years ago. They were all tied up in their high paying jobs and they could care less about teachers. Now, the teachers are the sole reason the state budgets are in the cellar. Is the entire Pa. budget just funding to the districts and teacher pensions. That makes up the entire state budget of 27.3 billion. All that money for education. Is some of that money used for anyhting else?
Did it ever occur to you the internet about two years ago was the reason the fraud of the psea ,and underfunded pensions was the first the people started to get information on how this fraud , bribery and money laundering was allowed to perpetuate.
John

Catasauqua, PA

#112 Mar 9, 2011
Corbudgett wrote:
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Did it ever occur to you the internet about two years ago was the reason the fraud of the psea ,and underfunded pensions was the first the people started to get information on how this fraud , bribery and money laundering was allowed to perpetuate.
You mentioned in your post -underfunded pensions- and it was the internet that gave people information on the pesnion and how this was fraud, bribery, and money laundering. Just tell me something more about this weak statement. I am not sure I understand what you mean especially since Corbett was the Atty. General and actually was paying into this pension plan that participation is required by law. First of all why didn't Corbett arrest or indict someone for this pension program that was a fraud, bribery, and money laundering. He should have known about it- he was a memeber of the state pension plan. Did he need the internet to learn about these secrete organizations- SERS or PSERS. Also, without looking it up, when did the pension plan begin? What year? I cannot wait for your response. Hurry my fingers are in attack mode.
Mickey

Chicago, IL

#113 Mar 9, 2011
If nothing else, some of the comments and insane reasoning in this column are direct evidence of why we should NOT cut education in this state or nation.
Cote de Pablo

Bethlehem, PA

#114 Mar 9, 2011
John wrote:
The assault on education by the GOP is amazing when you think about it.
Who led the charge for charter schools?
GOP led by Tom Ridge.
Who is leading the charge to do away with pensions?
GOP led by Christie and Scott whatever his name is
Who wants to put vouchers and choice in place?
GOP
Who wants to end tenure?
GOP
Who wants teachers to be paid based on performance?
GOP- but actually so do I but finding a tool to evaluate effectively is the problem.
Who wants to do away with teacher strikes?
GOP
Who wants to do away with collective bargaining?
GOP?
Who implemented the NCLB?
GOP George Bush
Who pushed through Act1 which limits the percent of tax a district could raise in a year?
GOP
And, who voted for all these changes that are breaking the states ? GOP did
kutztown

Breinigsville, PA

#115 Mar 9, 2011
stop talking about teachers.
start talking about ZERO TAXES FOR NATURAL GAS / FRACKING CORPORATIONS. please.
Common Sense

Newark, DE

#116 Mar 10, 2011
John wrote:
The assault on education by the GOP is amazing when you think about it.
Who led the charge for charter schools?
GOP led by Tom Ridge.
Who is leading the charge to do away with pensions?
GOP led by Christie and Scott whatever his name is
Who wants to put vouchers and choice in place?
GOP
Who wants to end tenure?
GOP
Who wants teachers to be paid based on performance?
GOP- but actually so do I but finding a tool to evaluate effectively is the problem.
Who wants to do away with teacher strikes?
GOP
Who wants to do away with collective bargaining?
GOP?
Who implemented the NCLB?
GOP George Bush
Who pushed through Act1 which limits the percent of tax a district could raise in a year?
GOP
While you are trying to make the "assault on education" sound like a negative thing, if you look at your list carefully, it actually points out very nicely that it is the Democrats, who have been bought by the unions, that are arguing for the status quo. If you want nothing done about this situation, and if you want your property taxes to continue to soar further out of control while the education system continues to get worse, be sure to vote Democratic. If you want to change things, vote Republican.

Also, it ironic that you added NCLB to your list above. You can debate the specifics of that law and it's effectiveness (I'm not a big fan personally), but NCLB is a program designed to improve education, not to save money. It's the only items on your list that actually impacts the actual education of children. All of the other items deal only with teacher's unions and contracts (as well as some alternative education options). Besides NCLB, changes to any of them would not impact the actual edcuation process in the least.

Calling the list above an "Assault on the Cost of Education", or an "Assault on the Current State of Education", would be much more accurate. I think almost all Republicans (and a clear majority of Americans) would be very proud to claim that cause as their own.
GRAMMY TAMMY

Connellsville, PA

#117 Mar 10, 2011
INSTEAD OF CUTTING EDUCATION FOR PEOPLE WHO WANT TO BECOME OUTSTANDING CITIZENS OF SOCIETY--WHY NOT LOOK AT HOW MUCH MONIES IS BEING PROVIDED TO OPERATE METH CLINICS TO HELP DRUG ADDICTS FOR 10-12 YEARS? THEN THE STATE PROVIDES METH TO PREGNANT MOTHERS SO THAT THEIR BABIES ARE BORN ADDICTED AND CAN BE HOSPITALIZED FOR A MONTH OR LONGER ON TAXPAYER EXPENSES? NO--WE PROVIDE FOR THE LOW LIFE IN SOCIETY WHO HAS NO DESIRE TO BETTER THE WORLD OR THEMSELVES. MAYBE WE NEED TO LOOK INTO HOW MANY CHILDREN IN ELEMENTARY AND SECONDARY SCHOOLS ARE GETTING A LARGE CHECK EACH MONTH BECAUSE THEIR PARENTS WANT THEM TO BE LABELED? THE GOVERNMENT IS GETTING THINGS BACKWARDS! STOP TRYING TO TAKE AWAY WORKING PEOPLE'S RIGHTS TO NEGOTIATE AND START MAKING LOW LIFES ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS.! STOP TAKING FROM THE ELDERLY WHO HAVE WORKED ALL THEIR LIVES AND STILL DON'T MAKE WHAT THESE KIDS ARE GETTING EACH MONTH IN A SOCIAL SECURITY DISABILITY CHECK!
Common Sense

Newark, DE

#118 Mar 10, 2011
kutztown wrote:
stop talking about teachers.
start talking about ZERO TAXES FOR NATURAL GAS / FRACKING CORPORATIONS. please.
OK...the Gas Industry in Pennsylvania is at a delicate point. If the government creates a special tax to start taxing it aggressively now, it may very well never take root. Give it a little bit of time to take hold, during which the state will still be collecting the same income taxes off of it that it collects off every other industry. When the industry is a bit more established and you can see it's impact on Pennsylvania, then consider whether it is appropriate to create a special tax for it. It probably is, in my opinion.

If you have a problem with this, then you should also have a major problem with the initial tax break given to just about any business that is brought to this state from elsewhere. This type of initial encouragement is exactly what fans the growth of businesses, and keeps will keep our state's employment market from deteriorating further.
Kurt Vonnegut

Allentown, PA

#119 Mar 10, 2011
Common Sense wrote:
<quoted text>
While you are trying to make the "assault on education" sound like a negative thing, if you look at your list carefully, it actually points out very nicely that it is the Democrats, who have been bought by the unions, that are arguing for the status quo. If you want nothing done about this situation, and if you want your property taxes to continue to soar further out of control while the education system continues to get worse, be sure to vote Democratic. If you want to change things, vote Republican.
Also, it ironic that you added NCLB to your list above. You can debate the specifics of that law and it's effectiveness (I'm not a big fan personally), but NCLB is a program designed to improve education, not to save money. It's the only items on your list that actually impacts the actual education of children. All of the other items deal only with teacher's unions and contracts (as well as some alternative education options). Besides NCLB, changes to any of them would not impact the actual edcuation process in the least.
Calling the list above an "Assault on the Cost of Education", or an "Assault on the Current State of Education", would be much more accurate. I think almost all Republicans (and a clear majority of Americans) would be very proud to claim that cause as their own.
Do you honestly think voting republican will change things? Corbett is cutting funding to education (read no new state taxes). How do you think local districts will make up the shortfall of money? You'll be taxed more locally Jackwagon. It's just a matter of who you are giving your hard earned money.
Common Sense

Newark, DE

#120 Mar 10, 2011
Kurt Vonnegut wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you honestly think voting republican will change things? Corbett is cutting funding to education (read no new state taxes). How do you think local districts will make up the shortfall of money? You'll be taxed more locally Jackwagon. It's just a matter of who you are giving your hard earned money.
Very shortsighted reply...changes to government need to work their way through three layers to be effective. The issues we are seeing at the state level are a direct result of the fact that the Federal government (which still has a lot of problems) is no longer giving away stimulus money to states like crack to a street-corner hooker. Now the states are taking a hard line, and are actually starting to look at some of the structural issues (pensions/bargaining structure/etc) that are breaking local district budgets. Once this happens, local districts will actually have the ability (if they have the political will) to fix these issues for themselves.
Kurt Vonnegut

Allentown, PA

#121 Mar 10, 2011
Common Sense wrote:
<quoted text>
Very shortsighted reply...changes to government need to work their way through three layers to be effective. The issues we are seeing at the state level are a direct result of the fact that the Federal government (which still has a lot of problems) is no longer giving away stimulus money to states like crack to a street-corner hooker. Now the states are taking a hard line, and are actually starting to look at some of the structural issues (pensions/bargaining structure/etc) that are breaking local district budgets. Once this happens, local districts will actually have the ability (if they have the political will) to fix these issues for themselves.
God bless your optimism. Remember the same people working to lessen salaries, benefits and retirement benefits are the same people (politicians) that have not given back one iota of their benefits. Start taxing corporate America and we would have no need to have this conversation.
Common Sense

Newark, DE

#122 Mar 10, 2011
Kurt Vonnegut wrote:
<quoted text>
God bless your optimism. Remember the same people working to lessen salaries, benefits and retirement benefits are the same people (politicians) that have not given back one iota of their benefits. Start taxing corporate America and we would have no need to have this conversation.
God bless your innocence. It's an easy world to live in where the answer to everything is to rail against evil corporations and evil politicians.

Yes, politicians should give back some of their benefits to lead by example, but there just aren't enough of them that this would save enough money to make any serious dent in the deficits. It's a rant that makes people feel good, but is ultimately useless.

Increasing corporate taxes is the best way to kill jobs and make our current situation even worse. Corporations exist to make money for stockholders, and higher taxes make this more difficult. Raise corporate taxes, and corporations will move to where taxes are lower (out of the area, state, or country). When this happens, you've lost jobs AND tax revenue.

John

Catasauqua, PA

#123 Mar 10, 2011
Common sense:

Let's use your name on this:

You wrote:

While you are trying to make the "assault on education" sound like a negative thing.

If you are a teacher it is a negative thing- that is just common sense.

You also said this:

If you want nothing done about this situation- what situation are you talking about???

...and you add this:

NCLB is a program designed to improve education- I was part of NCLB for 6 years. What, who, and how was it suppose to improve education. The law said that every child by the year 2014 will reach proficiency and above average levels, and that incldues special ed, special needs and physically and mentally handicapped. There were no exceptions to this point. I personally watched a teacher and an aide go through the PSSA with a multiple-handicapped student who does not speak a word. Tell me how this was designed to improve education.

Since you know so much about NCLB, I wonder what else you know about the law.

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