Obama to appeal to public on fiscal cliff

Nov 27, 2012 Full story: SanLuisObispo.com 37

The White House said Tuesday that the president intends to hold a series of events to build support for his approach to avoid across-the-board tax increases and steep spending cuts in defense and domestic programs.

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Since: Jul 10

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#1 Nov 27, 2012
He should have taken it to the 99% long ago. Ninety-percent of them will support his tax plan.

“Obama Shames the USA”

Since: Apr 09

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#2 Nov 27, 2012
Some say Obama should jump off a cliff.
Benghazigate follows Obama around like a shadow.

Everybody knows.
Everybody knows.
conservative crapola

Allentown, PA

#3 Nov 27, 2012
Ninthman wrote:
Some say Obama should jump off a cliff.
Benghazigate follows Obama around like a shadow.
Everybody knows.
Everybody knows.
Your previous 8 men follow you around stuck-in-your-ass.

hahahahahahahahaha

“Marble Man”

Since: Jul 11

Dallas, GA

#5 Nov 27, 2012
So now Obama wants to get involved, when this whole mess started, he blamed the House and Senate. Go figure.
Pamela

Citrus Heights, CA

#6 Nov 27, 2012
Most of the spending is for social security and medicare, and the tea party is on SS and Medicare and they don't want any cuts to those things. So the politicians can't do anything. Once you start to give people big checks, big money and no limits health care for practically nothing, they get very addicted to it and they expect it and they do not want to give it up.

There was a lady on Fox yesterday saying what I have been saying for years that you need to create a VAT to fund SS and Medicare. I said the whole time the tea party has existed that they are on socialism and most of the spending goes to them and that they love socialism and that they need to fight for a VAT to fund SS and Medicare for themselves. Now this lady comes out on Neil Cavuto and says just what I kept saying.

It's like no one ever does the math. SS is our number one spending item, Medicare is next, then military spending and that is 80 percent of the federal budget. And the tea party doesn't want any of that stuff cut. But they are so stupid that they kept saying to cut spending but they don't even ever look into where the money is going. This is how dumb they are. And they are all on social programs, on government money and on government health care and they are so stupid that they say they hate socialism but they spent all of their money and all live on socialism. And, on top of that, in 5 more years, just SS and medicare will be using up 97 percent of the budget unless we make cuts to SS and Medicare, and ALL they talk about on all of the news channels is that they have to cut SS and Medicare, and the tea party is so stupid and in such denial that they hide from it. You hear over 5,000 times on Fox, on CNN, everywhere "we have to cut SS and Medicare" and you never mention it?? That's because the tea party does not want any cuts to their socialism. The reason they lost is because they are only after government money and they use up most of the budget, so no one can take them seriously. And they turned the young people against them by trying to end SS and Medicare on everyone under 55. That ended Paul Ryan's career and it lost the election for the Repubs. The young people all came out and voted against it.

The truth is they have to end SS and Medicare, the tea party is on SS and Medicare, they don't want it ended, and they do not want new taxes to pay for it. They wanted to end all spending on young people and to force young people to be taxed to death so that rich old people could get big social programs and life fat while the U.S. is collapsing. Math doesn't work like that and life doesn't work like that, obviously.
lolol

Albuquerque, NM

#7 Nov 27, 2012
Pamela wrote:
Most of the spending is for social security and medicare.
The truth is they have to end SS and Medicare, the tea party is on SS and Medicare, they don't want it ended, and they do not want new taxes to pay for it. They wanted to end all spending on young people and to force young people to be taxed to death so that rich old people could get big social programs
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old people bashing,.... so passe. I assume your parents/grandparents are all deceased.

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I assume by your rant that you do not work and have SS and medicare taxes taken out of your pay. The people retiring now have typically put 40+ years contributions of their paychecks into SS and medicare and deserve their contributions back along with accrued interest that money made. SS is self funded and does NOT depend on money from the general funds. Medicare is also funded by its own tax. The 2 programs are so rampant with fraud, people getting SSI/Medicare without ever having contributed a dime to the programs. Get these freeloaders and illegals off the rolls and only distribute benefits to those that contributed. You do realize that the amount you get in SS (not SSI) depends on your contributions right ???? That is why elderly women in general only get a few hundred a month because their generation when they were young typically did not have a job but were raising the brats (like you)that gripe about paying SS taxes now. It is a crime that an illegal can apply for and get SSI with no contribution and a woman in her 60's that worked little or at a low paying job and was a homemaker gets typically less than 25% than the SSI recipient that just swam across the border. There's your crime. Yes SS and Medicare are called ENTITLEMENTS because people that put money into a system are ENTITLED to their contributions back.
lolol

Albuquerque, NM

#8 Nov 27, 2012
I wonder how Pamela would feel if she put money in a savings account and when she went to draw it out she was told, sorry your money was given to a poor immigrant that just walked in. Same theory.
dars

Carol Stream, IL

#9 Nov 27, 2012
If he really wants to solve this problem here are some suggestions that may work. Cut the salaries of Congress, the President, Cabinet officers and Federal judges by 10%. Eliminate half the committees in Congress. Combine the departments of labor and commerce and eliminate any duplicate programs. Combine the departments of Education and Health and Human Services- eliminate any duplicate programs. Combine the departments of Justice and Homeland security-eliminate any duplicate programs. Combine the departments of Defense and Veterans Affairs. Eliminate any non humanatarian aid from the State department budget. Cut the State department by 33-50%-bring it back to what it is supposed to do-protect the US interests. Deduct the costs we incur from hosting the UN from our contribution. After these steps then the government can look to the revenue side- eliminate all deductions except one uniform standard deduction and a standard personal exemption that reflects the actual cost of living. Then figure out a fair uniform rate that the rst of the income will be taxed at.
Pamela

Citrus Heights, CA

#10 Nov 27, 2012
80 percent of the budget goes for the Tea Party's socialism - to SS and to Medicare, and those two programs have over $121 TRILLION (with a T) in unpaid for promises, so the "tea party" wants $121 TRILLION more in socialism, in welfare, than they paid into SS and Medicare, and the tea party is not EVER going to talk about those $121 trillion in unfunded liabilities in SS and Medicare, not ever, because should they admit they want $121 trillion more in socialism than they paid in, that would make them on welfare, asking for welfare, all asking for government health care, and if they were honest they would not be able to lie and say that they hate socialism. So they all ignore that debt.

And the politicians in both parties are trying to cut SS and Medicare because they see that $121 trillion in unfunded liabilities in SS and Medicare. This is where all the debt is, and where the drivers of the debt are and if they do not cut back on that massive welfare to rich old people and cut back and make the rich old folks pay for some things themselves, soon SS and Medicare will be using up 97 percent of the federal budget. So both parties HAVE to cut the old tea party off of their socialism.

And see the tea party was hoping for only young people to take all of the austerity measures. They wanted to life fat retired on the government while the country is collapsing and make only young people take the cuts, and so now the cuts are going down on the tea party, as well it should. Number one spending item is social security, number two spending item is Medicare. They should stop paying women one cent who never worked and never paid in. Stop paying men double payments. Stop giving middle class and rich retirees no holds major free health care. Give them vouchers and let them pay, let them take out reverse mortgages. Most of them have several pensions. Let them pay a bit to live retired. They are not babies. The old people have almost all of this nation's wealth and they get 7 times more money than young people get, so cut who gets all the money, cut who is running up the debt.

The tea party has such low IQs that here theyd were all living on the government and they are using up all the money and they go around saying "cut spending" but not on them, but it's all being spent on them.

Both parties would not finally be dealing with the $121 TRILLION of unfunded liabilties in SS and Medicare if it wasn't a problem. So when the fake tea party was saying "cut spending" that means cut SS and Medicare, because that is number one and number two of our big spending items. You have to cut where the money is going, and I am glad that the government is not letting old people who, in today's job market, would be worth only minimum wage, are not going to be able to live fat on 3 or 4 government pensions and on big Medicare for free for 30-40 years retired. When a country collapses, EVERYONE has to take the spending cuts and this is what the selfish old tea party will never admit. thank god the young people did not let the rich old people cut off SS and medicare on everyone under 55. This was a money grab by the rich old people. When a country goes under, everyone has to take less money from the government. That tea party was trying to play it like they are somehow so patriotic and more entitled to all the government money. Well, if your socialism costs us everything and uses up the entire federal budget, that is not patriotic, and it's not going to fly.

How many times do you all have to hear everyone on all of the news channels say "we have to cut the entitlements" before you hear them?? 5,000 times?? One million times? This is denial due to greed of money, one of the seven deadly sins, that's all the tea party is.
Pamela

Citrus Heights, CA

#11 Nov 27, 2012
dars wrote:
If he really wants to solve this problem here are some suggestions that may work. Cut the salaries of Congress, the President, Cabinet officers and Federal judges by 10%. Eliminate half the committees in Congress. Combine the departments of labor and commerce and eliminate any duplicate programs. Combine the departments of Education and Health and Human Services- eliminate any duplicate programs. Combine the departments of Justice and Homeland security-eliminate any duplicate programs. Combine the departments of Defense and Veterans Affairs. Eliminate any non humanatarian aid from the State department budget. Cut the State department by 33-50%-bring it back to what it is supposed to do-protect the US interests. Deduct the costs we incur from hosting the UN from our contribution. After these steps then the government can look to the revenue side- eliminate all deductions except one uniform standard deduction and a standard personal exemption that reflects the actual cost of living. Then figure out a fair uniform rate that the rst of the income will be taxed at.
80 percent of the federal budget goes to Medicare, Social Security and to military spending, and the thing to really watch is we now spend almost HALF A TRILLION dollars per year on interst on our debt. So that can't go on much longer. All other spending COMBINED equals only 20 percent of the federal budget. Foreign aid is only one percent of the budget, and in 5 more years Social Security and Medicare will be using up 97 percent of the federal budget, crowding out all other spending, including any military spending and including paying the interest on our debt.

And, get this. Even a national sales tax or VAT of 10 percent would only generate about $750 billion a year to help pay for SS and Medicare. I saw a lady on Fox talking about this yesterday. Okay, if you have $121 trillion of debt in SS and Medicare, to be paid out over the next 20-30 years, okay, you need $5-6 trillion per year just to pay the baby boomers SS and Medicare, so even a 20d percent VAT would only produce about $1.5 trillion per year to fund SS, so in reality, the expenses for SS and Medicare are sooooooo huge, that you would have to both create a 20 percent value added tax AND make Medicare into vouchers now AND cut SS out on rich people NOW in order to keep those two programs going. This is how big money we are talking about. Look at the National Debt Clock. The unfunded promises in Medicare are over $100 TRILLION. Get your mind around trying to pay out that kind of money over the next 20 years.

Since: Oct 08

Alpharetta, GA

#12 Nov 27, 2012
lesseee, more people going on welfare, while fewer people paying taxes.....good, or bad?
Pamela

Citrus Heights, CA

#13 Nov 27, 2012
Look at what they cut in Greece when it went under. Almost all of the cuts are on old retirees because they get most of the money. You don't see young people in Greece rioting beause of the cuts. Greece cut their SS payments, their government health care (which is what Medicare is), they cut their government pensions, all things that affect old people.

Same here. The local, state and federal pensions, VA pensions, SS, Medicare and most of Medicaid goes to old people. So same as Greece, this is where the cuts have to come from. Paul Ryan wanted to cut $850 billion from Medicaid and no longer allow rich old people to get into rest homes for free on the government. And a lot of the Repubs wanted to make Medicare into vouchers now. They should have done that 30 years ago. Seriously. They kicked the can down the road to not lose votes and now they have a total disaster they can't fix. Wait until we default on our debt and cannot borrow any money. They won't be able to pay anyone SS and Medicare unless they are indigent. Young people don't own homes, they don't have jobs, they don't have any money, so you can't tax them to pay for the rich old people to live fat while the country goes under.
Not LOL

Miami, FL

#14 Nov 27, 2012
lolol wrote:
<quoted text>
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old people bashing,.... so passe. I assume your parents/grandparents are all deceased.
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I assume by your rant that you do not work and have SS and medicare taxes taken out of your pay. The people retiring now have typically put 40+ years contributions of their paychecks into SS and medicare and deserve their contributions back along with accrued interest that money made. SS is self funded and does NOT depend on money from the general funds. Medicare is also funded by its own tax. The 2 programs are so rampant with fraud, people getting SSI/Medicare without ever having contributed a dime to the programs. Get these freeloaders and illegals off the rolls and only distribute benefits to those that contributed. You do realize that the amount you get in SS (not SSI) depends on your contributions right ???? That is why elderly women in general only get a few hundred a month because their generation when they were young typically did not have a job but were raising the brats (like you)that gripe about paying SS taxes now. It is a crime that an illegal can apply for and get SSI with no contribution and a woman in her 60's that worked little or at a low paying job and was a homemaker gets typically less than 25% than the SSI recipient that just swam across the border. There's your crime. Yes SS and Medicare are called ENTITLEMENTS because people that put money into a system are ENTITLED to their contributions back.
I just shake my head in amusement when people pull that "we paid for our SS" bullcrap. Many of you know (like my own SS-receiving parents do) that after a few years of retirement you're pulling out more than you put into SS. The rest of you are too damn ignorant.
Not LOL

Miami, FL

#15 Nov 27, 2012
lolol wrote:
I wonder how Pamela would feel if she put money in a savings account and when she went to draw it out she was told, sorry your money was given to a poor immigrant that just walked in. Same theory.
Lets blame immigrants, it's more politically correct than calling old people to task. LOL

“i hope we can change this!”

Since: Aug 08

usa

#16 Nov 27, 2012
WMCOL wrote:
He should have taken it to the 99% long ago. Ninety-percent of them will support his tax plan.
moron, he has no plan!
just a nebulous notion that he'd be hurting those mean successful people you and your dregs have been trained to despise.

“i hope we can change this!”

Since: Aug 08

usa

#17 Nov 27, 2012
conservative crapola wrote:
<quoted text>
Your previous 8 men follow you around stuck-in-your-ass.
hahahahahahahahaha
yet another thoughtful, well worded respose...

how DO you do it?
zuan lopez

Nha Trang, Vietnam

#18 Nov 27, 2012
Ninthman wrote:
Some say Obama should jump off a cliff.
Benghazigate follows Obama around like a shadow.
Everybody knows.
Everybody knows.
i told u FOrd Lincoln lawyer very ;)!!! mov on 8boy! listen to this song ok!

simplee red: dont' holding back all those YR! mov on!!!!!!!!!;)
kim lopez

Nha Trang, Vietnam

#19 Nov 27, 2012
carey529 wrote:
<quoted text>
yet another thoughtful, well worded respose...
how DO you do it?
NU2 C! mov on i told U Obamad WON to Korean current see!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Korean_won
now U learn how to partee with kim chichihua!! ;-000
kim lopez

Nha Trang, Vietnam

#20 Nov 27, 2012
General Robert E Lee wrote:
So now Obama wants to get involved, when this whole mess started, he blamed the House and Senate. Go figure.
the Redskin Chief just drink beer n wath NFL!!! ;-000000
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#21 Nov 27, 2012
wtfu asap

that bankster hobama and all of his bankster peers created the fiscal cliff

and turbo charged our collective global dive off of it...

shame on the sheeple!!!

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