GOP attacks Obama over Bush tax cuts

GOP attacks Obama over Bush tax cuts

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Don Joe

Saint Paul, MN

#1027 Nov 1, 2012
CBOW wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, let's go back to what the founding fathers wanted. A nation of opportunity, not dependency. What exactly does investing in America mean to you? Obummer hasn't, Clinton didn't and neither did Carter. Reagan did, he imposed import tariffs on Japanese motorcycles and gave a loan to Harley Davidson. Clinton supported the fair trade agreement which sent much of manufacturing outside of our borders. So long as we have an anti-business tax environment in this government, we will have 0 growth and a growing dependency on government programs, that's the democrats mantra.
Hmmm. Ok, let's agree that we should go back to what the founding fathers wanted. We may disagree on what we think the wanted, but let's go further. A nation of opportunity, not dependency. I agree whole-heartedly. The biggest problem with the US economy right now is the lack of opportunity. Whether it is opportunity in finding a job, or starting a company, opportunities have been systematically removed.

I don't belong to any political party. Your accusations against democrats does not mean the republicans should be given a free pass.

While it took Clinton 6 years to bring back opportunity after the Reagan disaster, that was too long. His signing of the so called fair trade act at the insistence of the right wing was traitorous.

Reagan did not improve opportunities for people, on the contrary, he acted to systematically remove them. Consider his appointment of Alan Greenspan as the head of the federal reserve bank. Greenspan has openly admitted his top priority was to put the brakes on the economy each and every time wages or benefits started to increase for workers. Reagan also made it known that he would not allow prosecution of corporations who hired illegals, so wages could be further reduced. Then Reagan legalized about 10 million illegal workers, encouraging many millions more to cross the border. Add to that plan to decrease opportunity for workers the governmental subsidizes given to corporations willing to ship jobs overseas and it is obviously an attempt to remove opportunity.

As to anti-business government, kind of. Corporations are allowed to hire lobbyists and donate enough to get any politician elected. The corporation then owns that representative. Whatever the corporation wants written in law, becomes law. Consider that they don't want competition, they simply write regulations preventing competition, and giving themselves an advantage.

I don't buy that it is the democrat's mantra, when it is the republican's mantra. Either way it is not helpful to the public.

I would suggest that it be illegal for corporations to donate to any politician or hire lobbyists. Instead of corporate control of government we need to restore the power back to the people.

Since: Nov 11

Westerville, OH

#1028 Nov 1, 2012
Don Joe wrote:
<quoted text>Hmmm. Ok, let's agree that we should go back to what the founding fathers wanted. We may disagree on what we think the wanted, but let's go further. A nation of opportunity, not dependency. I agree whole-heartedly. The biggest problem with the US economy right now is the lack of opportunity. Whether it is opportunity in finding a job, or starting a company, opportunities have been systematically removed.

I don't belong to any political party. Your accusations against democrats does not mean the republicans should be given a free pass.

While it took Clinton 6 years to bring back opportunity after the Reagan disaster, that was too long. His signing of the so called fair trade act at the insistence of the right wing was traitorous.

Reagan did not improve opportunities for people, on the contrary, he acted to systematically remove them. Consider his appointment of Alan Greenspan as the head of the federal reserve bank. Greenspan has openly admitted his top priority was to put the brakes on the economy each and every time wages or benefits started to increase for workers. Reagan also made it known that he would not allow prosecution of corporations who hired illegals, so wages could be further reduced. Then Reagan legalized about 10 million illegal workers, encouraging many millions more to cross the border. Add to that plan to decrease opportunity for workers the governmental subsidizes given to corporations willing to ship jobs overseas and it is obviously an attempt to remove opportunity.

As to anti-business government, kind of. Corporations are allowed to hire lobbyists and donate enough to get any politician elected. The corporation then owns that representative. Whatever the corporation wants written in law, becomes law. Consider that they don't want competition, they simply write regulations preventing competition, and giving themselves an advantage.

I don't buy that it is the democrat's mantra, when it is the republican's mantra. Either way it is not helpful to the public.

I would suggest that it be illegal for corporations to donate to any politician or hire lobbyists. Instead of corporate control of government we need to restore the power back to the people.
You are more liberal than normal!

Europe has no opportunities, ask Greece, look at Spain and wonder about Italy!!! A socialist mess!!!

And that is what you want? A Cuba American system? Why?

Did Venezuela invented the iPhone?

Did Russia invented the internet?

Did China invented the cellphone? Computers?

Why did you worry about opportunity and want the opposite - socialism?
Don Joe

Saint Paul, MN

#1029 Nov 2, 2012
martinezjosei wrote:
<quoted text>
You are more liberal than normal!
Europe has no opportunities, ask Greece, look at Spain and wonder about Italy!!! A socialist mess!!!
And that is what you want? A Cuba American system? Why?
Did Venezuela invented the iPhone?
Did Russia invented the internet?
Did China invented the cellphone? Computers?
Why did you worry about opportunity and want the opposite - socialism?
I call for more opportunity, and you equate that with Cuba? What in the world are you talking about. I suspect we have no way to communicate with each other because I don't really have a clue as to the definition of the words you chose. I didn't say anything about Europe, or Cuba, of Venezuela. China is a communist country eating our lunch?

How can a communist country be economically better than the USA? Because the playing field is not fair. They manipulate their currency and we pay our corporations from our taxes to ship our jobs over there. Both parties are corporate owned, so both go along with the corporate scam. We need someone to stand up to the corporations, not cave to every whim. Our government has sold us out. Romney even went to Hong Kong to raise campaign cash.

“Antisocialistic”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#1030 Nov 2, 2012
Don Joe wrote:
<quoted text>I call for more opportunity, and you equate that with Cuba? What in the world are you talking about. I suspect we have no way to communicate with each other because I don't really have a clue as to the definition of the words you chose. I didn't say anything about Europe, or Cuba, of Venezuela. China is a communist country eating our lunch?

How can a communist country be economically better than the USA? Because the playing field is not fair. They manipulate their currency and we pay our corporations from our taxes to ship our jobs over there. Both parties are corporate owned, so both go along with the corporate scam. We need someone to stand up to the corporations, not cave to every whim. Our government has sold us out. Romney even went to Hong Kong to raise campaign cash.
A lot of communist countries are eating our lunch because they adopted America's blueprint for success, which is capitalism, while America threw it out the window and is trying Socialism, which has never worked.
Don Joe

Saint Paul, MN

#1031 Nov 2, 2012
Prep-for-Dep wrote:
<quoted text>
A lot of communist countries are eating our lunch because they adopted America's blueprint for success, which is capitalism, while America threw it out the window and is trying Socialism, which has never worked.
So??? your definition of socialism is to allow corporations to run the country? Your definition of socialism is to protect corporations from competition and allow them protection of their monopolies (duopolies).

Are you distinguishing between a communism, which some equate with socialism, and capitalism as economic systems?

Perhaps you mean that China is no longer communist, but capitalist?

If America is trying socialism, why is the gap in wealth between the average and the wealthy higher than ever before? Shouldn't socialism prevent that?

I guess, I don't know what you mean, unless you define your terms.

“Antisocialistic”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#1032 Nov 2, 2012
Don Joe wrote:
<quoted text>So??? your definition of socialism is to allow corporations to run the country? Your definition of socialism is to protect corporations from competition and allow them protection of their monopolies (duopolies).

Are you distinguishing between a communism, which some equate with socialism, and capitalism as economic systems?

Perhaps you mean that China is no longer communist, but capitalist?

If America is trying socialism, why is the gap in wealth between the average and the wealthy higher than ever before? Shouldn't socialism prevent that?

I guess, I don't know what you mean, unless you define your terms.
I meant exactly what I posted. You trying to read between the lines or make my statements mean something else doesn't concern me.
Don Joe

Saint Paul, MN

#1033 Nov 2, 2012
Prep-for-Dep wrote:
<quoted text>
I meant exactly what I posted. You trying to read between the lines or make my statements mean something else doesn't concern me.
So you meant that a lot of communist countries, including China are no longer communist, but rather capitalist nations, and somehow the USA dropped capitalism in favor of socialism, but refuses to help anyone but the rich. Socialism for the rich.

“Antisocialistic”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#1034 Nov 2, 2012
Don Joe wrote:
<quoted text>So you meant that a lot of communist countries, including China are no longer communist, but rather capitalist nations, and somehow the USA dropped capitalism in favor of socialism, but refuses to help anyone but the rich. Socialism for the rich.
If you say so.

Since: Nov 11

Westerville, OH

#1035 Nov 3, 2012
Don Joe wrote:
<quoted text>I call for more opportunity, and you equate that with Cuba? What in the world are you talking about. I suspect we have no way to communicate with each other because I don't really have a clue as to the definition of the words you chose. I didn't say anything about Europe, or Cuba, of Venezuela. China is a communist country eating our lunch?

How can a communist country be economically better than the USA? Because the playing field is not fair. They manipulate their currency and we pay our corporations from our taxes to ship our jobs over there. Both parties are corporate owned, so both go along with the corporate scam. We need someone to stand up to the corporations, not cave to every whim. Our government has sold us out. Romney even went to Hong Kong to raise campaign cash.
Hong Kong?

Are not the socialist the ones that want open borders and a large global community where all are world citizen, and when they see it happening they frown?

Ah! Because he is not a socialist liberal democrat, then it would be ok!

Facts:

Fact #1 America is the most economic, non-corrupted, military, politically stronger stable government.

>> Because we believe in socialism and our founding fathers implemented socialism so socialism work, look at Cuba, it works great and made us great!!!

Henry Ford used socialism to create his Ford empire and provide thousand of jobs!!! Same with Rockfeller, AT&T (Bell), Apple, etc.

We need to go back to socialism again so we can be as strong as when we won World War II and the Russians!!!

When socialism would put a man on the moon, and feed Africa, and help Tsunami victims. See? Socialist Spain helped Haiti victims more than America!!

When there is a disaster in the world, all eyes look for socialist America for help, no one looks at Cuba for help!!!

Question:

Do you want more jobs and less freedom?(government jobs)

Or less government jobs AND more freedom?

Since: Nov 11

Westerville, OH

#1036 Nov 3, 2012
Prep-for-Dep wrote:
<quoted text>A lot of communist countries are eating our lunch because they adopted America's blueprint for success, which is capitalism, while America threw it out the window and is trying Socialism, which has never worked.
CORRECT!!!

But why?

Because Liberals with their fail proof "do it for the poor, women and kids" message had successfully taken over the Media and government!

Liberalism is the cloak if socialism!!!

But why had they do that?

For votes, for money for themselves, for control of people and...

for POWER !!!

Three evils, love of money, sex and power!!!

Sex includes drugs and any physical stimulation like food and the overweight problem!!

“Antisocialistic”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#1037 Nov 3, 2012
martinezjosei wrote:
<quoted text>CORRECT!!!

But why?

Because Liberals with their fail proof "do it for the poor, women and kids" message had successfully taken over the Media and government!

Liberalism is the cloak if socialism!!!

But why had they do that?

For votes, for money for themselves, for control of people and...

for POWER !!!

Three evils, love of money, sex and power!!!

Sex includes drugs and any physical stimulation like food and the overweight problem!!
Exactly!

“or Fox News”

Since: Jan 08

Vicksburg, MI

#1038 Nov 4, 2012
martinezjosei wrote:
<quoted text>
CORRECT!!!
But why?
Because Liberals with their fail proof "do it for the poor, women and kids" message had successfully taken over the Media and government!
Liberalism is the cloak if socialism!!!
But why had they do that?
For votes, for money for themselves, for control of people and...
for POWER !!!
Three evils, love of money, sex and power!!!
Sex includes drugs and any physical stimulation like food and the overweight problem!!
'

I don't know about you, but I have never had to drug anybody or use drugs myself for sex..sounds like you have an odd problem there.

Any physical stimulation? You mean like breathing, or walking, or stepping outside and feeling the air on your skin? So that is evil now too.

If I were you I would re-foil your hat and move as far away from cell phone towers as I could...they are messing with your brain.

Since: Nov 11

Westerville, OH

#1039 Nov 4, 2012
Hypnotic Phantom wrote:
<quoted text>'

I don't know about you, but I have never had to drug anybody or use drugs myself for sex..sounds like you have an odd problem there.

Any physical stimulation? You mean like breathing, or walking, or stepping outside and feeling the air on your skin? So that is evil now too.

If I were you I would re-foil your hat and move as far away from cell phone towers as I could...they are messing with your brain.
Three evils:

Money: stealing, id theft, corruption, money laundering, etc.

Sex: any physically causing experience, sex is the umbrella, like drugs, serial killers, killing, Rape,etc.

Power: Control, self-explanatory!

You can classify all evils into one of those three!

Sex is not self- explanatory.
CBOW

Abbottstown, PA

#1041 Nov 5, 2012
Don Joe wrote:
<quoted text>
Hmmm. Ok, let's agree that we should go back to what the founding fathers wanted. We may disagree on what we think the wanted, but let's go further. A nation of opportunity, not dependency. I agree whole-heartedly. The biggest problem with the US economy right now is the lack of opportunity. Whether it is opportunity in finding a job, or starting a company, opportunities have been systematically removed.
I don't belong to any political party. Your accusations against democrats does not mean the republicans should be given a free pass.
While it took Clinton 6 years to bring back opportunity after the Reagan disaster, that was too long. His signing of the so called fair trade act at the insistence of the right wing was traitorous.
Reagan did not improve opportunities for people, on the contrary, he acted to systematically remove them. Consider his appointment of Alan Greenspan as the head of the federal reserve bank. Greenspan has openly admitted his top priority was to put the brakes on the economy each and every time wages or benefits started to increase for workers. Reagan also made it known that he would not allow prosecution of corporations who hired illegals, so wages could be further reduced. Then Reagan legalized about 10 million illegal workers, encouraging many millions more to cross the border. Add to that plan to decrease opportunity for workers the governmental subsidizes given to corporations willing to ship jobs overseas and it is obviously an attempt to remove opportunity.
As to anti-business government, kind of. Corporations are allowed to hire lobbyists and donate enough to get any politician elected. The corporation then owns that representative. Whatever the corporation wants written in law, becomes law. Consider that they don't want competition, they simply write regulations preventing competition, and giving themselves an advantage.
I don't buy that it is the democrat's mantra, when it is the republican's mantra. Either way it is not helpful to the public.
I would suggest that it be illegal for corporations to donate to any politician or hire lobbyists. Instead of corporate control of government we need to restore the power back to the people.
I will keep this short and sweet, this country has plenty of opportunity and more education to achieve it than ever before. Unfortunately, our youth wants to get out of college and have all the benefits and a sic figure income immediately. When did this country OWE anyone THAT? Success and achievement do NOT happen overnight and acquiring them requires paying your dues. The corporations are strong because people won't work and pay the dues, they want it all and they want it now and the best way to achieve that is work for corporations. Want someone to blame? Try the mirror.
Don Joe

Saint Paul, MN

#1042 Nov 5, 2012
CBOW wrote:
<quoted text>
I will keep this short and sweet, this country has plenty of opportunity and more education to achieve it than ever before. Unfortunately, our youth wants to get out of college and have all the benefits and a sic figure income immediately. When did this country OWE anyone THAT? Success and achievement do NOT happen overnight and acquiring them requires paying your dues. The corporations are strong because people won't work and pay the dues, they want it all and they want it now and the best way to achieve that is work for corporations. Want someone to blame? Try the mirror.
I don't see that anywhere. It is simply not part of reality. Try starting a company. Talk to angel investors. Talk to venture capital companies. Talk to industry leaders. Talk to investment bankers. Talk to entrepreneurial groups. Talk to your local bankers. When you are done; it will be painfully clear there is no funding for innovation; no funding for start up companies. That is not just my opinion, it is the opinion of a great many thousands who have put in decades of hard work, trying to find funding, trying to be the one that makes it.

As to education, and our youth wanting it overnight? Talk to them. Ask the 50% of those who graduate why, after putting in all that work, getting great grades in engineering, mathematics, science, they can't find a job. Talk to the thousands who have degrees in those areas, why after years, perhaps decades of outstanding performance they no longer have a job, and there are none to be found.

Does the government owe success to anyone? No, however, by the government's activity, opportunity is gone, so are the jobs, so are the start ups, so few are paying taxes. How many decades are considered paying your dues? 4? 5? More?

How did this happen? Let's see. The corporations hire lobbyists to write the laws for congress. The corporations "donate" to the campaigns of those running for congress so they will do the bidding of the corporation. The winner, then let's the corporation write the laws to give themselves power over the economy so they have less and less competition. They prevent start ups so no one infringes in their marketplace with superior products. They push for lower wages so more money goes in their pockets and less for workers. They buy television stations to push their propaganda 24/7/365. They get people like you to believe them and spread their lies to everyone else. You don't even realize the damage you are doing to your own family.
CBOW

Abbottstown, PA

#1043 Nov 5, 2012
Don Joe wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't see that anywhere. It is simply not part of reality. Try starting a company. Talk to angel investors. Talk to venture capital companies. Talk to industry leaders. Talk to investment bankers. Talk to entrepreneurial groups. Talk to your local bankers. When you are done; it will be painfully clear there is no funding for innovation; no funding for start up companies. That is not just my opinion, it is the opinion of a great many thousands who have put in decades of hard work, trying to find funding, trying to be the one that makes it.
As to education, and our youth wanting it overnight? Talk to them. Ask the 50% of those who graduate why, after putting in all that work, getting great grades in engineering, mathematics, science, they can't find a job. Talk to the thousands who have degrees in those areas, why after years, perhaps decades of outstanding performance they no longer have a job, and there are none to be found.
Does the government owe success to anyone? No, however, by the government's activity, opportunity is gone, so are the jobs, so are the start ups, so few are paying taxes. How many decades are considered paying your dues? 4? 5? More?
How did this happen? Let's see. The corporations hire lobbyists to write the laws for congress. The corporations "donate" to the campaigns of those running for congress so they will do the bidding of the corporation. The winner, then let's the corporation write the laws to give themselves power over the economy so they have less and less competition. They prevent start ups so no one infringes in their marketplace with superior products. They push for lower wages so more money goes in their pockets and less for workers. They buy television stations to push their propaganda 24/7/365. They get people like you to believe them and spread their lies to everyone else. You don't even realize the damage you are doing to your own family.
There in a nutshell is what is wrong with people in this country. You yourself just said it, all in the first paragraph. Information "collected" from others. No one ever said starting your own business was going to be easy. It's called sacrifice. With all the "input" you described from all these "knowledgeable" individuals, you're FINISHED before you even get started. I blogged back to you a couple of weeks ago about your "inventions" and how you can get your patents achieved. Do you remember that? Necessity is the mother of invention so they say. I know quite a few private investors willing to put up the capital for innovative ideas, but they will want the lion's share of the profits from it. How badly do you want it??? As for the college grads, how many pursued business management, careers in the legal field, and so many other programs that are just FLOODED with newbies? Much of the problem stems from the desire to "not get their hands dirty". I've been in business long enough to know that innovative products will indeed make their way to the marketplace, sometimes a little longer than we would like, but they will get there. Those that are strong of will and decide they want what this country has to offer, will succeed. It's how this nation was born and has grown and prospered. It wasn't the government and politicians who did it with their policies and taxation, but by individuals with strong constitutions.
Don Joe

Saint Paul, MN

#1044 Nov 5, 2012
CBOW wrote:
<quoted text>
There in a nutshell is what is wrong with people in this country. You yourself just said it, all in the first paragraph. Information "collected" from others. No one ever said starting your own business was going to be easy. It's called sacrifice. With all the "input" you described from all these "knowledgeable" individuals, you're FINISHED before you even get started. I blogged back to you a couple of weeks ago about your "inventions" and how you can get your patents achieved. Do you remember that? Necessity is the mother of invention so they say. I know quite a few private investors willing to put up the capital for innovative ideas, but they will want the lion's share of the profits from it. How badly do you want it??? As for the college grads, how many pursued business management, careers in the legal field, and so many other programs that are just FLOODED with newbies? Much of the problem stems from the desire to "not get their hands dirty". I've been in business long enough to know that innovative products will indeed make their way to the marketplace, sometimes a little longer than we would like, but they will get there. Those that are strong of will and decide they want what this country has to offer, will succeed. It's how this nation was born and has grown and prospered. It wasn't the government and politicians who did it with their policies and taxation, but by individuals with strong constitutions.
As I have said before, my company won a National Science Foundation grant. To win, we submitted our application showing our innovation. The proposal was fanned out to researchers across the nation to make sure they agreed it was a valid proposal. We received a $50,000 grant. We had to go to Washington DC to get trained on the proper way to use the grant money.(That ate up a lot of it.)

There were about 200 innovators who had fantastic products. Innovation was still alive and chomping at the gate to be released. The trainers provided a lot of information about commercialization but one single question kept coming up. How do we fund commercialization? The innovation is mostly proven, how do we get it to market? The question came up so often, the trainers added a special session on how to get this funding. The number 1 answer..... Wait for it..... Friends and Family. If you have rich friends or rich family, willing to invest, you can be funded. If not, you are pretty much out of luck.

I have not been asking for it to be easy; I have been asking for it to be possible. After talking with all the groups I mentioned, refining the pitch and presenting again, and again; getting my hands dirty over and over and over for decades, one eventually realizes it's like winning the lottery. I consider luck to be when hard work meets opportunity. I am not talking about an hour here or there.I am talking about 12 to 16 hour days, 7 days a week. I am not talking about no education, I am talking about several people getting together with advanced technical degrees. I am not talking about hoping something might work, I am talking about working prototypes. I am not talking about copying someone else's ideas, I am talking about patented inventions.

You can try to say someone just hasn't worked hard enough, but don't tell me it's possible for most people. Just like winning the lottery is not possible for most people. Somebody might win, but most cannot.

I have run into a lot of people who claimed they knew a lot of investors. I offered to them, that they can have 5% of whatever they can raise, and then 5% of the company. Several went to all those folks who they thought might invest and nothing. They were very disappointed; but I have learned to expect that result.

You can claim that there is plenty of opportunity, but there never is, unless you have rich friends and family willing to give you a great deal of money.

“Bullsh*% Detector Enabled”

Since: Dec 08

Brooklyn, New York

#1045 Nov 6, 2012
martinezjosei wrote:
<quoted text>CORRECT!!!

But why?

Because Liberals with their fail proof "do it for the poor, women and kids" message had successfully taken over the Media and government!

Liberalism is the cloak if socialism!!!

But why had they do that?

For votes, for money for themselves, for control of people and...

for POWER !!!

Three evils, love of money, sex and power!!!

Sex includes drugs and any physical stimulation like food and the overweight problem!!
So then, what's conservatism?

Since: Nov 11

United States

#1046 Nov 6, 2012
Black Rhino wrote:
<quoted text>So then, what's conservatism?
In summary, conservatism comes down to two things:

1. Personal responsibility
2. Freedom

Everything else comes out of that!

Liberalism is simply more government!

“or Fox News”

Since: Jan 08

Vicksburg, MI

#1047 Nov 6, 2012
martinezjosei wrote:
<quoted text>
In summary, conservatism comes down to two things:
1. Personal responsibility
2. Freedom
Everything else comes out of that!
Liberalism is simply more government!
You mean like regulating the personal responsibility and freedom of a woman to choose what she does with her own body?

Or regulating the personal responsibility and freedom of two consenting and of age adults to marry no matter if they are the same sex?

Or regulating the personal responsibility and freedom to worship or not worship the god or gods of their choice?

You mean THAT type of conservatism?

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