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#22 Nov 16, 2009
While I was working with Natlfed (National Labor Federation), I did not know Peggy or Mary. But, their blog certainly rings true given the experiences I had.
Is Western Massachusetts Labor Action (WMLA)part of Natlfed? Take a look at the Natlfed calendar they sell every year. Take a look at their current and back issues of newsletters. WMLA admits this in print.
Is WMLA a front group for the Communist Party Provisional Wing (CPUSA-P)? Is it a cult? Read the many firsthand accounts available on the Internet from former full-time volunteers. Then decide for yourself.
Does WMLA do admirable and needed work in the community. I think readers will find ample evidence of this as well. But, again, decide for yourselves.
KMM says that he/she? knows I'm lying about WMLA because he/she volunteered there and knows the people who run it. Most volunteers do not know WMLA's affiliation with Natlfed and CPUSA-P until they've volunteered awhile and can be counted on to agree with everything CPUSA-P puts forth. If they don't, they aren't told. Again, read the FBI file on Natlfed, read the hundreds of volunteer accounts available and then decide for yourself.
I think we would all be surprised at what we would learn about anyone if we could read their thoughts or see a film about their lives. Simply "knowing someone" is not sufficient to know whether or not WMLA is part of Natlfed and whether what I wrote is true.
Again, I would advise those interested to investigate WMLA yourselves. Read what is out there from former volunteers, mental health professionals, and journalists. Talk to the full-time volunteers there and ask them the hard questions. Ask them for a financial statement so you know where your money IS going. Ask them for an accounting of what accomplishments they've made over the past year. Ask for facts not just anecdotes.
There are many groups you can volunteer your time with if you want to assist low income people, or want to change things in the country. Check out other alternatives besides WMLA and you may find you can meet your objectives more fully with another group.
KMM - if you are Karl Malbrain, you should be honest about this and simply give your opinion based on your participation. I might disagree with it but I'd respect it.
DTF - Are you by chance affiliated with the Rochester, NY Eastern Service Workers Association, another Natlfed affiliate? Perhaps you should tell people who you are, what work you've done, and what your honest opinion is as well?
#23 Nov 17, 2009
DTF, you are cordially invited to post a rebuttal on our blog. You will need a real e-mail address to set up an account on Wordpress. Once you do that, I will give you access to the blog where you can write as many articles as you'd like. Or, you can simply post comments on our unmoderated Discussion Board. I tried contacting you again but you deactivated your e-mail account. Please contact me via the blog.
#24 Nov 18, 2009
DTF, I'd like to set the record straight. Nowhere on my blog do I say that I am a card carrying communist. You are cordially invited to become a contributing author. Just contact me. You have my e-mail address.
#25 Dec 5, 2009
years ago i worked briefly with california homemakers association. i got involved because of supposed benefits we were creating for unrepresented piecemeal workers and help we work supposedly giving to people in need after a flood in the mountains near santa cruz. within a few weeks i witnessed various forms of intimidation, mind games and deprivation tricks being played by organizers on new recruits. the organizational structure was excessively hierarchical. the "scripts" to be spoken during canvassing were to be spoken without personal inflection or interpretation etc. there were immediate attempts to isolate individuals and have them conform in ridiculous ways to ridiculous tasks. my intuition began to tell me that the game was toward control, not benefits. everybody i came across inside was tired, overworked stressed and chain smoking. not a pretty picture and it did appear that violence was around the corner. when i was threatened directly i put a few choice words to the brainwashed guy threatening me, left and never looked back.
i came to all these conclusions for myself far before reading anything about it. do yourself a favor- stay away from any of these organizations!
cult is the correct word and the rant of "mr true above is evidence of it. true: slow down for a moment and look into yourself and ask: am i being driven by fear? there are appropriate fears and there are once driven into the head for purposes of control. get your life back, man. before you see 20 years slip away...
#26 Jan 27, 2010
People are suffering,
the government offers no solutions,
the way to change this is through organization,
end of story.
While some are sitting, staring at a box moving fingers around real others are doing real things to change these situations.
#27 Jan 28, 2010
Yes people are suffering.
Actually, the government does offer some solutions. I don't happen to agree with them, but they are offering them. Will they solve all problems. No. But then again nothing does.(And yes I'm including Natlfed in the nothing column).
Who says the way to change this is through organization? I think there are many ways to change things. Some of them take organization. Some of them do not.
Some of us, in addition to moving our fingers while staring at a box, actually do do things and give to things that we think will change things in what we consider a better way. I happen to disagree with the premises that no one but those in Natlfed do anything to change things for people who suffer. That's arrogant. It's arrogant to think that you have the only solution and the only way to ever change things. It's arrogant to think that no one in the history of the world ever knew or tried the things Natlfed is doing.
We move our fingers while staring at a box because we disagree that Natlfed is a viable way of ending suffering. I personally think that Natlfed does more harm than good. I do this because we think that people should not be lied to. I do this because we think people should not be abused.
#28 Sep 8, 2010
#29 Sep 26, 2013
Your organization is misconstructed and unaware of the possible ways to
overcome social disasters in these hard economic increased infaltion times.
There are not enough weekend fund drives and community effort to care
about thouse you graved.
#30 Nov 16, 2014
Because then the organizer could have time to talk with the person who is REAL and actually DOES care. The 23 year old girl whose parents are Mexican immigrants. Who has 2 kids and 3 jobs and the weather is below 2 but something about "We're organizing to change poverty conditions in Western Mass" was interesting enough for her to stop and talk. Not only that but even though she has no time to volunteer, she still donates 20$ she shouldn't really be spending on a calendar. Why? Because she cares. Why? Because she knows. If not firsthand, she's seen it somehow and empathizes.
And let's pretend you really have an actual beef with WMLA. Why. Because you don't like their method? Or is it because you don't like the volunteers spending so much time? I admit, it's a lot of time to spend. And the overall way that volunteers spend so much time without having a life bothers me.But you know what? To each their own. If Kris wants to spend his life as an organizer, that's him. That's his amazing dedication.Aderas That's Thacher's amazing 16 year dedication to a cause bigger than himself.
Everyone has a life they want to live, lessons they want to learn. And no matter what you do in this world there are lessons to be learned. I learned more in 1 years of organizing than I would have in four years of college. And I wasn't sitting in a classroom with white walls to learn it. I was on the street talking to hundreds of people a day, canvassing door to door, teaching people who may be rich or poor, lessons in history that I myself learned yesterday from Melanie. I was learning how to make money for a cause with nothing but a bucket and a sign in negative degree weather, learning how to talk to people and not be so shy, to speak up when I talk. Learning how to write a pitch and put advertisements on a publication. Heck, how to go up to business owners and GET advertisements for a publication with a donation. I learned how to meet deadlines. And not meet deadlines just because it's written on a paper my boss gave me, but because somebody is relying on it for food or heat or emergency legal advice. How to make a lawyer who was in a bad mood to go out to the store and spend money picking out toys for kids he will never know or meet. How to organize a meeting in neighborhoods and get neighbors who never met eachother, yet do the exact same job, to meet and find themselves spending an hour talking about the same problems they've been stuck with for so long things and then being inspired to organize their own food drive to further help the cause. I learned how to help 18 Jamaican workers who were lied to, and illegally ripped off who came to the ONLY organization that could actually help them with food and clothing and medical care, to actually build a plan, around something (until their boss threatened them too much so they stopped).
Come on,#YOLO, y'all! If you want to make your life profound, stop typing away like idiots on the computer. Go to 298 Columbus Ave. THEN make a decision based on what you see. Have an open mind for a day, and then never volunteer ever again if you want. I mean as of November 2014 this is still a free country in at least THAT sense.
Most people who have a problem with WMLA are usually having a problem with Thacher somehow. Once Thacher gets under their skin and ruffles them up, they want to talk all this $hit about WMLA. I admit he's made me mad millions of times. Even embarassed me in front of many people, on many occasions, but does that mean a whole organization is bad? Im not so egotystical that Im going to get redfaced and leave like a coward. I mean, I'll get redfaced and ignore him for a couple hours but what a cop out to find an excuse based on that to do nothing. Robin Fahlberg, I'm calling you out on your bullshit.
#31 Nov 16, 2014
All Im saying is... stop living such sheltered existences and go out and take a risk! If you...
a) Are tired of helping organizations that are band-aids and don't offer LONG term solutions
b) Want to do something profound this year or make a difference
c) Have always wanted to learn how to organize
d) Just simply like making tamales. Or like the taste of stamps. Or yelling at gas companies who illegally shut off a fellow resident and get their heat back on
e) Want to learn about economics on a first name basis
Then go head , organize! Yes, there may volunteers who are insensitive at times, but that's just how men are. Go take a Midol and quit bitching.
#32 Nov 19, 2014
It is commie pinko organization that caters to the neck tattoo crowd ofassholes that are stuck in minimum wage jobs ( they deserve nothing more ) by telling them the standard commie line that capitalism is no good and people with money are no good.
#33 Nov 23, 2014
Go read a book, any book. Start out with Dr. Seuss and work your way up until you can properly spell, understand grammar and know ho to capitalize. Even Fox News would be embarrassed to know you. Hahaha.
#34 Nov 24, 2014
Why don't you gofuckyourself youbigasshole? You scumbag you can not dispute a word I said and I hope you are a minimum wage lackey. Read your own post and then quit playing with yourself so you can type with two hands you pathetic loser.
#35 Nov 24, 2014
So Fox news is no good hey? Ha ha ha how typical. Care to tell us why it is the most watched news? Oh...I forgot. The people that watch Fox News are all stupid and need a dysfunctional liberalasshole like you to guide them.
I prefer to align myself with successful people rather than the same sex marriage crowd of abortionist murderers and parasites like you who are responsible for the millions of neck tattoo bums wandering around the streets playing with their free Ted Kennedy cell phones. One more thing I have spell check so blow it out yourass you dysfunctional leach.
#36 Nov 24, 2014
You have so muchshit coming out of your communist mouth that you should brush your tooth with preparation H.
#37 Nov 25, 2014
Part 1: Aderas,
Since you specifically mentioned my name in your post, I will answer you as best I can. I would first encourage everyone on this forum and others to respect each other. We are all individuals with unique backgrounds and points of view to share. If we can share them respectfully with each other, and listen to each other, then perhaps we can learn from each other. WMLA is a part of the National Labor Federation (natlfed), which was built by the Provisional Communist Party, which in my opinion is a cult which uses destructive mind control. I know this because I was a member of the group and full time organizer with the group for fourteen years in the period from 1979-1993. I was operations manager of a sister organization to WMLA - Eastern Farm Workers Association (EFWA) in Upstate NY, just like Thatcher Kent is operations manager of WMLA. I do not know Thatcher Kent as he started working with natlfed after my time, but I do not doubt the people who have reported that he is a good person. Most of the people I knew when I was in natlfed who were full-time organizers were good people. I know first hand that WMLA and other organizations like WMLA do good things for poor people. I have never disputed that. I do dispute that they have a long term viable solution to change the conditions of service workers and other low income people. Simply because you have a plan which sounds good and has logical steps, and a vision of a better world, does not mean that you are going to do change the world or get to that vision. WMLA and sister organizations like WMLA have been at this for 40 years without much to show for it. There is no evaluation process in the group. To have a viable plan to meet a goal you have to be able to measure progress, evaluate that progress, and be able to objectively evaluate your practice. WMLA does not do this. They've been talking about workers committees growing out of the WBC and building a voice for low income workers since they started. How much progress has been made? They believe that if they keep doing it, the right conditions and situation will arise which will sweep them to power as they've built the base. I highly doubt this and most likely they'll continue to do the same thing for as many years as they continue to exist on the same level.
I also believe that WMLA and the Provisional Communist Party deceptively and manipulatively recruit their full timers using techniques of mind control. They believe that communist revolution must be made to solve problems and that since everyone grew up in the bourgeois world they've been brain washed and must therefore undergo a process called TV-TV to understand that revolution is needed. TVTV stands for tab volunteer, viable volunteer, tab cadre, viable cadre. A tab volunteer is someone who comes through the door for their own reasons and volunteers on their own schedule. WMLA through classes on what they do and why other groups won't change things, finding out more about the person, and telling the person why change is needed for them to meet personal goals tries to get them to make a schedule and work with WMLA towards a change. Once someone is a viable vol, they start learning more about efforts for change in the US and get experience with taking more responsibility in WMLA. During that time, if the person is deemed to have potential as a full-time organizer, information is gathered on them and centralized. Conversations with them are planned and reported back on. Eventually someone tells them that they are smarter than the average Joe and probably realize that WMLA alone won't change everything and that a revolution is needed. They're told that that is what WMLA along with others in the country is doing. They then learn about communism and what it takes to make a revolution, and are asked to increase their commitment and go full-time. After a year probationary period as a party member they become a viable cadre and a full party member.
#38 Nov 25, 2014
Part 2: Aderas,
During the recruitment process people are encouraged to spend more and more time with the organization and less with their family and friends. For instance, they are told that their family is also affected by conditions, and if they really love their family it is more important to canvass than go to a family event. Full-time organizers work 7 days a week, 52 weeks a year and often sleep less than 7 hours a night. You can google it and find out what the effects of sleep deprivation and 24/7 work without a break are. The full-timers don't get time to think about themselves and their lives or reflect on either the results of their hard work or where their lives are going. They do not decide themselves whether they can take a vacation. This is decided for them as vacation have to be approved from the leaders of the party as revolutionaries do not take vacations. They do not decide the strategic direction of the organizing drive - this is directed from above. They are told the only value they have is the effect they have on the world, and if they want to have a positive effect then they will do what the natlfed leadership tells them. The natlfed leadership tells them they are the only ones in the country with the experience, etc. to make change.
Just like other cults, natlfed organizers are caught inside of a philosophy. If you are unfamiliar with destructive cults and their characteristics, think about destructive and abusive relationships where people are isolated from their families and friends, constantly have their self-esteem tromped on, are told no one will love them if they leave the relationship, etc..
I have a problem with this type of recruitment. I do not believe it is right. A person is valuable because of the person they are, not because of what they do. Each one of us is unique and should be valued.
There is plenty of information on-line on WMLA, natlfed, and the provisional communist party. I would advise reading it. If you are truly looking for the best way to use your talents and resources to help low income people (I'll refrain from my speech on each low income person being a unique person and not just part of the mass) I would think you would not only want to visit and check-out potential organizations. I would think you would also want to talk with those who had worked with an organization, research its' history of success with real numbers and facts, research its' use of money and other resources, and perhaps compare this with alternatives. You can be nice people, do nice things, a vision and a plan, and be a utter failure at carrying out that plan. Best, Robin.
#39 Dec 22, 2014
Robin sorry for assuming you're complaining for some petty reason I see you have a serious reason for leaving.
I guess I didn't let WMLA use me, I used WMLA, which is what I think people should do. I think if you really want to help the world, you should.
Yes, It takes a special type of person to be a full-time organizer at WMLA. Someone full of confidence in themselves, someone who is political, someone who is dedicated to communism. If you aren't, then WMLA really isn't for you to be a full-time organizer with. I learned this the hard way.
Because for real people with human emotions, after a while, no emotion can make you a zombie. A lot of people who I see organizing at WMLA become zombies. And then when a new volunteer comes in its like a fresh meated human they want to suck the life out of. Every little laughter of the new volunteer, ever smile, is drawing the organizer like a moth to the light because at WMLA there is no laughter or smiles. Only upstairs you can laugh and smile and talk about personal stuff (I assume) I realized this soon and decided I will never become a full-time volunteer. I saw a LOOP in the system :) I decided to just learn what I can, and then leave. Although this loop in the system is seen by the organizers, they try to get rid of it by being rude to the volunteers who don't want to be full-time. But I just ignored these mindgames and kept on volunteering for my own reasons, and learning, and becoming more stronger and confident.
While I had a lot of negative things happening in my life (absolutely NO friends [outside of WMLA... I did become friends with some of the really nice women there], all my family got restraining orders against me because I was volunteering against my mom's conservative Christian wishes, loss of interest in music, theatre, in having friends outside of WMLA, stress and feeling like I am not good enough or evil just for attending college or being in a play, leading more people to hate me at school, with reason because I acted like a half-zombie) The good far outweighs the bad. I gained so much confidence and speaking skills through volunteering on so many tables and canvasses. I learned about how to talk to people, I now could talk in front of a room full of people, and wouldn't feel nervous at all (Meanwhile the first time I canvassed, I was shaking just talking to one woman WITH a script right in front of me!). I now am less lonely than I was at 17, I have a lot more skills in organizing anything I want, I now understand the world/economics way more than I did, I have something really great on my resume (I volunteered over 7,000 hours from ages 18-20 as VOLS C, MMBR C, and PRT C,)and so many other great things. I have amazing phone skills now.I think the number one skill i got is being able to go up to a complete stranger and talk to them. I feel like I can pretty much do anything.
All I can say WMLA is WMLA is such a crazy amazing opportunity for kids like me who grew up in Pittsfield A.K.A Shittsfield. Before organizing with WMLA I was in the BerkshireWorks G.E.D room with all the pregnant chicks filling forms&eating Dunkin Donuts and pizza, just hoping to get into community college on a grant since my mom can't afford it. At the time, BerkshireWorks was my savior because I never had anyone tell me I could go to college... I literally thought I would go my life without anything. And then, after volunteering with WMLA I found out I could become a Volunteer Coordinator with zero experience. I guess I am just a grateful poor kid who just was grateful for the opportunity which is why I walked 2 miles to volunteered every single day after I came in. I grew so much as a person, eventually having enough confidence to leave Pittsfield and travel the country and then the world.
All I can say is the world has so much pain in it, why complain about such petty things. I could, and I am tempted to, but Id rather grow
#40 Dec 22, 2014
And how is aligning yourself with successful people working out for you?:D
#41 Dec 23, 2014
Pretty damn well that's how. I am not rich but I do not have money problems and the reasons are I am old school. I believe in hard work, not dressing like a fool, not covered in stupid tattoos, kids come from marriage not shaking up and sucking off the system and knowing that the best way to go is self employment. I never hated my boss or the company or people with more money than I have and I know of people who were drawn to your cult and they were losers and jerks and always will be.
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