The fall of St. Paul City Church: Faith left them blessed. And broke.

Full story: TwinCities.com

The pastors stepped over holes during their first prayer service. Heat in their new church was scarce, hot water absent and a drinking fountain an unfulfilled dream.

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I love St Paul.....not....

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I normally avoid religion in all its forms, but met Steve at the church and one of his houses while doing business with one of his flock. He was impressive, energetic and a real "hands on" guy. I never attended one of his sermons, but I bet he is an inspiration to the many he serves. I wish him well in all of his future concerns.
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You can lead a horse to water .....
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God Bless this couple.

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The road to hell is paved with good intentions?(Saint Bernard of Clairvaux)
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steve baker wrote:
The road to hell is paved with good intentions?(Saint Bernard of Clairvaux)
Yes, but actions speak louder than words.
Steve

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Most of the time I like to point out what morons people are, but in this case I need to give the paster credit. He tried and I'm sure he will continue to help people in need.

Though all of these criminals who were stealing from the church will get no sympathy from me. I don't need to tell you where you all can go.
Jerome

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This couple may not prosper here on earth, but they will be greatly rewarded in Glory. I am reminded of the bible verse, " What shall it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and lose his own soul". Dealing with ex cons and addicts , is a frustrating thing, as they are the PHD's of the con. My mother and one of her brothers were abandon as children and raised in a rigid Orphanage in Fargo, At 16 they were pushed out the door to the streets. My uncle maintained a life of crime, while my mother married, educated herself an became a devout Christian. My uncle was in and out of prison. He even became a " Minister" via a correspondence school. in order to get paroled. He got out, moved in with our family for 2 weeks and then took off, with my dads only suit and our penny bank with Sunday School money. They put him away for life as a 3 time loser, and acting as his own attorney, said the law was unconstitutional They quietly released him from prison as long as he went out of state. Soon the NYPD was looking for him. The point is these folks, who have lived a life of crime, may know better, but still have a high repeat rate. Eventually, how ever, many do straighten out. This pastor and his wife are there for those that do. May God bless them

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On my best days I pray for the patience of the Sullivans. May God keep them safe and strong for their mission and bless them richly for their compassion. It's easy to reach out to those who need it least, but touching the hardened hearts of lifetime criminals takes a gift that most of us don't have.
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These pastors recognize and speak honestly about human nature and our society's welfare mentality.

No matter how poor or uneducated, people put a value on things. If things are given to them free (the moldy clothes in the basement), they put little value on them.

If people are expected to earn their way, they will value, protect, and maintain their things.

Our welfare mentality is slowly eroding our society's character, hurting both the givers and the receivers.

We could learn much from these pastors. They have earned great wisdom!

“Truthful with the Facts”

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Criminals most often don't change and we should anticipate that rather than try to save them all by spending money on them.

I'm not one bit sad this place is shutting down.
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There certainly are people out there who will cheat, lie and steal. But there are also people with real needs. I work in criminal justice with reentry and addressing the needs of CD and MI. A small percentage all people in poverty are criminal and a small percentage of all people in jail are homeless. There has been a trend recently where we target this "chronic" population involved in criminal justice and the social service system, with hopes of reducing their very expensive system use (jail, shelter, emergency room). But after awhile, I've come to question "investing" in persons who are not ready to change, vs. someone who is basically down on their luck. Should the chronic troublemakers move to the head of the line? There does seem to be a "criminal menopause," where 40 year olds who have been in trouble their whole life are ready to give up that life. We have much more success with that group. Now I'm leaning toward offering help to those that are sincerely ready to change, and we have the jail for the other group.

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Lady GagMe, you've used this same cut/paste post on other unrelated threads. That's called spamming and it's a violation of the ToS here at Topix.
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d-ykedumb wrote:
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This is another good reason for school vouchers so families don't have to put up with this. Thanks to the liberals the moral fabric of society is breaking down daily.
You are so right. The progressive movement is destroying our country from the inside out.
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It's to bad these people thought more about the drunks and thugs they were ministering too than of their creditors who they owe almost a million dollars. Their creditors will need a lot of understanding to accept the idea that the people with any financial knowhow were all let go to be replaced by a bunch of do gooders that evidently thought God would pay the bills. These people ended up right about where they should be. They were taken advantage of but were incredably dumb about everyday life. God helps those that help themselves and their parisheners sure helped themselves!
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George wrote:
<quoted text> Bad news for you: No one cares. There are bigger problems in life to deal with. Get over it, dummy.
Keep your bigger problems in life out of my life and we will both be happy. The less government involvement in people's lives the better.
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One less church in this world brain washing people, and allowing people to hide behind he alter from their everyday daily lives and responsibilities. Its a good day when this type of thing happens.
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God bless the Sullivans for trying, but this shows that good government is better suited to address these issues. Human services, corrections, child protection, case management-all departments of government programs.
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Surprise wrote:
You can lead a horse to water .....
Your comment doesn't make sense.

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