Fluvanna Schools Eliminate 33 Positions for the 2013-14 Year

In an effort to meet an anticipated budget shortfall, Fluvanna County Public Schools has eliminated 33 positions for the 2013-14 school year. Full Story
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Annie P

Dillwyn, VA

#1 Mar 19, 2013
The spending levels and per-pupil expenditures for Fluvanna in FY2013 match nearly the same figures for Fluvanna in FY2007.

Per Pupil FY2007 $9,251
Per Pupil FY2013 $9,249

Operating Budget FY2007: 33,881,908
Operating Budget FY2013: 34,783,002

The FY2007 figures come from the Virginia Department of Education Archives. The FY2013 figures come from the Fluvanna County Public Schools numbers (SB docs for March 2013).

Why were the FCPS able to operate without a crisis situation in 2007 but is in a crisis situation in 2013 when the per pupil expenditure is almost exactly the same and the operating expenses are $900,000 more now than they were in FY2007?

What changed?
concerned

Charlottesville, VA

#2 Mar 19, 2013
Annie P wrote:
The spending levels and per-pupil expenditures for Fluvanna in FY2013 match nearly the same figures for Fluvanna in FY2007.
Per Pupil FY2007 $9,251
Per Pupil FY2013 $9,249
Operating Budget FY2007: 33,881,908
Operating Budget FY2013: 34,783,002
The FY2007 figures come from the Virginia Department of Education Archives. The FY2013 figures come from the Fluvanna County Public Schools numbers (SB docs for March 2013).
Why were the FCPS able to operate without a crisis situation in 2007 but is in a crisis situation in 2013 when the per pupil expenditure is almost exactly the same and the operating expenses are $900,000 more now than they were in FY2007?
What changed?
What changed? Are you kidding....do you think that the cost of things today is the same as the costs in 2007?
OnTheTake

Charlottesville, VA

#3 Mar 19, 2013
I bet those top positions were restructured not eliminated. Custodials eliminated sad, bottom of the poor so you know they lost there job. Likly the oldest or the one soon to retire.
Suppose keeping baterial down and a clean school is not as important
Teachers, yeah they are out. Who needs an eductation,, just look at our fine your youth.:(
Librian no need for them, most kids don't know how to use the library anyway.:>(
OnTheTake

Charlottesville, VA

#4 Mar 19, 2013
Excuse my typos no way to edit my mistakes
Ice Dogg

Richmond, VA

#5 Mar 19, 2013
OnTheTake wrote:
Excuse my typos no way to edit my mistakes
What did you do, carve it in stone? Or get educated in Fluvana
concerned

Charlottesville, VA

#6 Mar 19, 2013
OnTheTake wrote:
I bet those top positions were restructured not eliminated. Custodials eliminated sad, bottom of the poor so you know they lost there job. Likly the oldest or the one soon to retire.
Suppose keeping baterial down and a clean school is not as important
Teachers, yeah they are out. Who needs an eductation,, just look at our fine your youth.:(
Librian no need for them, most kids don't know how to use the library anyway.:>(
Okay....the positions were restructured. This is an ignorant comment. When you eliminate a position the responsibilities still need to occur so someone else has to do them. Someone is now doing the work of two people. Come to the School Board and BOS meetings and learn something!
flucoperson

Dillwyn, VA

#8 Mar 19, 2013
concerned wrote:
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What changed? Are you kidding....do you think that the cost of things today is the same as the costs in 2007?
The budget this year is almost a million more than it was in 2007.

The school population is going down.
concerned

Charlottesville, VA

#9 Mar 19, 2013
flucoperson wrote:
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The budget this year is almost a million more than it was in 2007.
The school population is going down.
Almost 1 million in 6 years...that's a bargain. Check out the changes in other counties' budgets in that time period.
Just One Reason

Charlottesville, VA

#10 Mar 19, 2013
Annie P wrote:
The spending levels and per-pupil expenditures for Fluvanna in FY2013 match nearly the same figures for Fluvanna in FY2007.
Per Pupil FY2007 $9,251
Per Pupil FY2013 $9,249
Operating Budget FY2007: 33,881,908
Operating Budget FY2013: 34,783,002
The FY2007 figures come from the Virginia Department of Education Archives. The FY2013 figures come from the Fluvanna County Public Schools numbers (SB docs for March 2013).
Why were the FCPS able to operate without a crisis situation in 2007 but is in a crisis situation in 2013 when the per pupil expenditure is almost exactly the same and the operating expenses are $900,000 more now than they were in FY2007?
What changed?
Average Gas price in VA Jan 2007:$2.13/gallon
http://www.vatc.org/research/GasSales/GasSale...
Average Gas price in VA Today:$3.58.7/gallon
http://www.virginiagasprices.com/
Hmmmmm

Charlottesville, VA

#11 Mar 19, 2013
flucoperson wrote:
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The budget this year is almost a million more than it was in 2007.
The school population is going down.
Apparently that's not true at all. If the per pupil expenditures are about the same with about $900,000 more in the budget then the population of students in larger. If there were fewer students with more dollars than the per pupil expenditures would be higher.

And...as noted above, if the per pupil real dollars are staying the same, then that means the level of funding is actually decreasing once you adjust for inflation. This is not complicated folks.
Hmmmmm

Charlottesville, VA

#12 Mar 19, 2013
Just One Reason wrote:
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Average Gas price in VA Jan 2007:$2.13/gallon
http://www.vatc.org/research/GasSales/GasSale...
Average Gas price in VA Today:$3.58.7/gallon
http://www.virginiagasprices.com/
That would be useful if gas prices had some simple, linear change to them. But they don't.

http://inflationdata.com/Inflation/images/cha...
publican

United States

#13 Mar 19, 2013
they should not give one dollar of tax money to these schools, parents should have to pay for their own children to go to school and for the roads and buses to get there! taxes should only be used for wars and deporting illegals.
Hmmmmm

Charlottesville, VA

#14 Mar 19, 2013
publican wrote:
they should not give one dollar of tax money to these schools, parents should have to pay for their own children to go to school and for the roads and buses to get there! taxes should only be used for wars and deporting illegals.
Why?
Another perspective

Charlottesville, VA

#15 Mar 19, 2013
Hmmmmm wrote:
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That would be useful if gas prices had some simple, linear change to them. But they don't.
http://inflationdata.com/Inflation/images/cha...
Accepting your chart and adjusting gas prices for inflation, gas in real terms still costs 35-40% more in 2013 than 2007.

Of course if you are critical of teachers greed, since both their base salaries and far more so, their take-home pay have declined during this period while their costs have increased, you are actually making an even stronger case for increasing school funding!

Adjusted for cost of living, teachers have actually taken a nearly 40% pay cut in Fluvanna since 2007, while workloads have greatly increased from layoffs, testing, and state mandates.

20-25% more work for 40% less and people are calling the teachers parasites?
Teacher Welfare

Baltimore, MD

#16 Mar 19, 2013
Another perspective wrote:
<quoted text>
Accepting your chart and adjusting gas prices for inflation, gas in real terms still costs 35-40% more in 2013 than 2007.
Of course if you are critical of teachers greed, since both their base salaries and far more so, their take-home pay have declined during this period while their costs have increased, you are actually making an even stronger case for increasing school funding!
Adjusted for cost of living, teachers have actually taken a nearly 40% pay cut in Fluvanna since 2007, while workloads have greatly increased from layoffs, testing, and state mandates.
20-25% more work for 40% less and people are calling the teachers parasites?
All lies!

Teachers get 5-12% pay raises every year. The 33 job losses is just another teacher trick to increase this years raises. The board of supervisors needs to fight this!
Hmmmmm

Charlottesville, VA

#17 Mar 19, 2013
Another perspective wrote:
<quoted text>
Accepting your chart and adjusting gas prices for inflation, gas in real terms still costs 35-40% more in 2013 than 2007.
Of course if you are critical of teachers greed, since both their base salaries and far more so, their take-home pay have declined during this period while their costs have increased, you are actually making an even stronger case for increasing school funding!
Adjusted for cost of living, teachers have actually taken a nearly 40% pay cut in Fluvanna since 2007, while workloads have greatly increased from layoffs, testing, and state mandates.
20-25% more work for 40% less and people are calling the teachers parasites?
Ummmmmmm....I have no idea how you got concerns about "teacher's greed" or any skepticism about the need for better educational funding out of anything I posted.

My very very last post on the issue was just a specific reply to prior post about gas prices. You can't cherry pick two gas prices from specific points in time and use it to make any sound, general statements about changes in costs over time and that was my only point.

In earlier posts above, I had used standard inflation adjustments (not pinned to cherry picking two price points on one commodity) to indicate that flat dollars over time really means decreasing dollars over time. And all of that was started by the very first post in this thread.

So I have no idea what your point was in replying to me.
Hmmmmm

Charlottesville, VA

#18 Mar 19, 2013
Teacher Welfare wrote:
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All lies!
Teachers get 5-12% pay raises every year. The 33 job losses is just another teacher trick to increase this years raises. The board of supervisors needs to fight this!
You hold what is apparently a hopelessly distorted picture of actual reality. It is so distorted that you may be trolling.

Of course, most people who start off statements of disagreement with others by shouting "All lies!" usually are either hopelessly misinformed or trolling.
Beth

Charlottesville, VA

#19 Mar 19, 2013
Teacher Welfare wrote:
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All lies!
Teachers get 5-12% pay raises every year. The 33 job losses is just another teacher trick to increase this years raises. The board of supervisors needs to fight this!
That's just false. Teachers used to get yearly step increases before the recession. Fluvanna's teachers have had no step increase in 3 years, have had their insurance costs increase as the system changed providers, and then had to cover the state-mandated increase to VRS themselves. Teachers are making significantly less now than they did pre-recession. We have increased expectations placed on us, decreased compensation, are beholden to the whims and decisions of politicians who have never actually taught in a classroom, and then get accused of being manipulative and greedy. Do you really want your children educated by people who are stressed and scraping by?

Don't blame the teachers. They have nothing to do with any of these decisions, and administrators, board members, and supervisors almost always ignore teachers' ideas and desires. Why hasn't anyone stated the obvious--that gigantic, unnecessarily modern,über extravagant new high school on rt. 53? If tax payers want to see how tax dollars are wasted by schools, take a tour of that facility some time.
Hmmmmm

Charlottesville, VA

#20 Mar 19, 2013
Teacher Welfare wrote:
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All lies!
Teachers get 5-12% pay raises every year. The 33 job losses is just another teacher trick to increase this years raises. The board of supervisors needs to fight this!
This is a much better representation of reality than making stuff up about large annual raises and lazy, self-centered people living high on the hog and only out for themselves:
http://hamptonroads.com/2011/07/without-raise...

It gets tricky tho' b/c so much of pay stuff is figured at the local level & while that article reflects the reality in VA, its not about Fluvanna.

This one is about Fluvanna:
http://fluvannareview.com/index.php...

Excerpt ~ "average teacher’s salary in Fluvanna County has gone down 6.2 percent since 2010"

If people want to attack public education that's fine. But do it intelligently, and don't do it through attacking the teachers.
Zippy

Baltimore, MD

#21 Mar 19, 2013
Teacher Welfare wrote:
<quoted text>
All lies!
Teachers get 5-12% pay raises every year. The 33 job losses is just another teacher trick to increase this years raises. The board of supervisors needs to fight this!
5-12% raises every year?? Where around here does that get approved? Pics or it didn't happen...

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