Deer kill planned for Valley Forge Park

Deer kill planned for Valley Forge Park

There are 34 comments on the WPVI-TV Philadelphia story from Oct 6, 2009, titled Deer kill planned for Valley Forge Park. In it, WPVI-TV Philadelphia reports that:

VALLEY FORGE, Pa. - October 6, 2009 -- A hunt is planned for Valley Forge National Park to trim the herd of deer there.

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Joe Y

Newtown Square, PA

#21 Nov 12, 2009
Contrary to all the non sensical facts that are thrown at us in favor of a hunt, the animals can only grow as large as their available food supply.

If hunting is so effective then why is Tyler State Park, Lorimer State Park, and a hundred others in the surrounding area still having hunts that are going into their 15th year? Answer: hunting is a failed system and never will work but will only serve to actually increase the deer herd in the long run.

Add to this fact that the cost of the hunt is in the millions and its no small wonder that the pain and suffering inflicted on these innocent deer is only surpassed by the idiocy of spending huge amounts of money to promote this senseless cruelty.

The only real solution is either contraceptives or just leave the herd alone and it will in time adjust its numbers. You people in favor of a hunt are morons!
Irene Wisniewski

Jacksonville, FL

#22 Nov 12, 2009
Thank you so much, Joe, for speaking in defense of contraception or allowing nature to take its course when it comes to these magnificent creatures. Mankind can be so disappointing in that they have no respect for or sense of responsibility to care for the nature around us. We just arbitrarily destroy what gets in the way of what we want. And we are supposed to be the higher intelligence. I hope that with intelligent and straightforward people like you that we can at some point influence the barbaric side of human beings and restore nature to its own balance. Thanks for speaking up. Take care. Irene
curious

United States

#23 Nov 13, 2009
Irene - PLEASE take a break and enjoy a glass of wine, unless you will feel bad for the grapes too.
Irene W5

Fort Wayne, IN

#24 Nov 14, 2009
curious wrote:
Irene - PLEASE take a break and enjoy a glass of wine, unless you will feel bad for the grapes too.
Obviously, Curious, you've had your share of wine -- it has numbed your senses and totally eliminated the better side of your conscience. You have become totally insensitive to the plight of our wildlife who suffer continuously at the hands of humans.
Sam

Wayne, PA

#25 Nov 14, 2009
This is a no win argument. Neither side will give in so much as an inch.

Irene, why are you concentrating your efforts on deer? Of all the endangered critters on the planet, I would think deer are not exactly the highest priority.

If you're this passionate about protecting deer, then you should be pure hell when it comes to seals and such.
Irene W5

Fort Wayne, IN

#26 Nov 14, 2009
Sam wrote:
This is a no win argument. Neither side will give in so much as an inch.
Irene, why are you concentrating your efforts on deer? Of all the endangered critters on the planet, I would think deer are not exactly the highest priority.
If you're this passionate about protecting deer, then you should be pure hell when it comes to seals and such.
Sam, you are correct. I am just as passionate about the slaughter of seals, wolves, gorillas, whales, sharks, etc. It is this kind of senseless killing that enrages me more than any other tragedy brought about by the hands of humans. We are supposed to be better than that. We are the higher intelligence. And yet we arbitrarily destroy these gifts from God that provide us with the most joy, awe and wonder. Doesn't make any sense to me and never will. I can accept no reason in defense of it and never will.
Karen

United States

#27 Oct 7, 2010
It's not just a matter of convenience, in hard winters, with lots of snow, deer die off, suffering from starvation. Isn't it a bit more humane to thin the herd, it's not going to be free for all for crazed hunters. This is not a new issue but one that has been debated in courts and in the court of public opinion. While steriliation may seem like an alternative, perhaps it can be used to control the size once it is managable. Have you seen these deer in the summer, sickly and thin. It's a sad sight...and yes I have lived in the area, never had an accident, and agree we have encroached on their environment...but now we have a responsiblity to live in harmony with them. They know the park is safe, they don't venture far, therefore have a population higher than the lands can sustain. I hate the idea, but am realistic enough to know for their health thinning is a necesary evil.
Irene W5

Fort Wayne, IN

#28 Oct 8, 2010
I so agree with you, Joe. I am sick and tired of all of these upwardly mobile "yups" who buy the most expensive land, the most expensive homes in the most expensive communities and then decide that the deer who were there much before they were on the scene no longer have a right to live. They are harmless, beautiful creatures. If you didn't want them around, then you should have moved somewhere else and not insisted in participating in the ruination of the natural balance in these beautiful and scenic areas. From what I understand, all of the obstacles have been removed to prevent this tragedy from happening and I think that the fact that it has come to take place is a telling sign of the decivilization of the humans in this era. It is no wonder that I hear so many people say that they prefer animals to humans. Humans are supposed to be the intelligent and rational species. What a joke! Maybe we should start hiring sharpshooters to decrease the human population. Then we'd be doing something worthwhile!
Joe Y wrote:
Contrary to all the non sensical facts that are thrown at us in favor of a hunt, the animals can only grow as large as their available food supply.
If hunting is so effective then why is Tyler State Park, Lorimer State Park, and a hundred others in the surrounding area still having hunts that are going into their 15th year? Answer: hunting is a failed system and never will work but will only serve to actually increase the deer herd in the long run.
Add to this fact that the cost of the hunt is in the millions and its no small wonder that the pain and suffering inflicted on these innocent deer is only surpassed by the idiocy of spending huge amounts of money to promote this senseless cruelty.
The only real solution is either contraceptives or just leave the herd alone and it will in time adjust its numbers. You people in favor of a hunt are morons!
Joe

Collegeville, PA

#29 Oct 9, 2010
Wow,Irene. You are a mental patient. It is better to keep ones mouth shut and be considered a fool, than to open it and remove all doubt.
dad

North Arlington, NJ

#30 Oct 10, 2010
there are deers that have dads. I support fatherhood.
Irene W5

Fort Wayne, IN

#31 Oct 10, 2010
Joe wrote:
Wow,Irene. You are a mental patient. It is better to keep ones mouth shut and be considered a fool, than to open it and remove all doubt.
Hello, Joe - sounds to me like you are one of those folks that I'm referring to in my last comment. You live in Phoenixville, just on the other side of Valley Forge State Park, and you have the audacity to be in favor of the deer kill? The deer were in Valley Forge State Park long before you were born, I'm certain. Suddenly, you've decided that their time is up because it's presenting an inconvenience for you? Shame on you. If you don't want to be surrounded by these magnificent creatures, then live in center city where the druggies can end your misery very quickly. They will do much, much more than eat your flowers, I can tell you. Seems to me that if you consider me to be insane, then you must be certifiable.
Joe

Collegeville, PA

#32 Oct 16, 2010
I am not in favor of any deer kill. I just think you nuts.
Joe

Collegeville, PA

#33 Oct 16, 2010
Say Irene, How can you tell the difference between Beer Nuts and Deer Nuts? The Beer Nuts are about a dollar fifty and the Deer Nuts are under a Buck. You may be crazy, but you have to have a sense of humor.
Junior

Glen Mills, PA

#34 Nov 6, 2011
Irene, you do realize that the land carrying capacity in all those areas mentioned have exceeded for the number of deer living there right? Also the reason for the Valley Forge hunt is the amount of damage they (the Deer) did to the vegetation of the park and the surrounding areas. Also if you were a resident boardering the park, how many cases of lyme disease would you get like those currently living there. And as a side note, the occurances of deer vehicle collisions withing the park were at all time highs in the last back to back years. They have a special lime pit dug there every year to put the carcasses in and they all get burried and wasted. The cull happening there right now donates every ounce of that venison to the food banks. I am sure some homeless guy who has not eaten in days does not care where that hot meal comes from. Irene, I know there is no middle ground with you but imagine this. If you lived in a forest with 500 other people and there was enogh food for only 200, but the population keeps increasing 3 fold every year what do you do? That is the scenario played out at most major parks right now. As one who hunts and has donated over 25 deer to the chester county food bank I disagree with your stance, you are allowed to have one and this is America last time I checked, but I do dissagree.

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