Hill under fire for Munks response

The fallout from Sheriff Greg Munks' trip to a Las Vegas brothel last year is starting to shape the campaign for the 19th state Assembly District seat as political opponents of Supervisor Jerry Hill blasted the ...

[Realistic]

Attention: Ed McGovern

This is not a "political issue". I guess the justice system is not sufficiently fool proof to a sufficiently talented fool('s). Make it idiot-proof, and someone will make a better idiot or elect a better idiot. I am sure Munks and Bolanos have the Reich stuff for the job (I did not misspell Reich) if no politician has the power to initiate an in dept investigation. A Nazi named Joesph Gobbels who was Hitlers number one solider (who was responsible for the murder of millions of Jews and gentiles,using their skin as lamp shades and experimenting with human lives which always resulted in death) once said "It is the absolute right of the state to supervise the formation of public opinion". So don't say this is a political issue. Silly old me, I have this idea that the constitution actually means something. Lets take a bite out of crime as McGruff the crime dog would say by recalling the Sheriff and having him get out of Dodge (Redwood city and Portola Valley) by noon. Our loyalty is to our country and not to our office holders. Take your pick; would you rather substitute the tax payers human rights for animal right?, We are not thankful for all the government we are paying for. I am sure you rather see the tax payers use to being in an concentration camp with your favorite blogers or accept it is dangerous for tax payers to be right when your government is wrong. An African American named Fredrick Douglas is known for his statement "Limits of tyrants are proscribed by the endurance of those they oppress". Another great American once said "A man who stands for nothing will fall for anything". Stop acting like a politician and do your job or some....maybe a more proficient fool will do your job for you. We refuse to bow down to the one we elected to serve as our Sheriff and expect you, Munks and Bolanos to give us what they expect we should get. Politics is the second oldest profession, and it bears a striking resemblance to the first profession "prostitution". I hope when you, Munks and Bolanos wrestle with your conscious, your conscious will win as the tax payers have lost with the tenderloin two.

[Realistic]

Attention: Ed McGovern

This is not a "political issue". I guess the justice system is not sufficiently fool proof to a sufficiently talented fool('s). Make it idiot-proof, and someone will make a better idiot or elect a better idiot. I am sure Munks and Bolanos have the Reich stuff for the job (I did not misspell Reich) if no politician has the power to initiate an in dept investigation. A Nazi named Joesph Gobbels who was Hitlers number one solider (who was responsible for the murder of millions of Jews and gentiles,using their skin as lamp shades and experimenting with human lives which always resulted in death) once said "It is the absolute right of the state to supervise the formation of public opinion". So don't say this is a political issue. Silly old me, I have this idea that the constitution actually means something. Lets take a bite out of crime as McGruff the crime dog would say by recalling the Sheriff and having him get out of Dodge (Redwood city and Portola Valley) by noon. Our loyalty is to our country and not to our office holders. Take your pick; would you rather substitute the tax payers human rights for animal right?, We are not thankful for all the government we are paying for. I am sure you rather see the tax payers use to being in an concentration camp with your favorite blogers or accept it is dangerous for tax payers to be right when your government is wrong. An African American named Fredrick Douglas is known for his statement "Limits of tyrants are proscribed by the endurance of those they oppress". Another great American once said "A man who stands for nothing will fall for anything". Stop acting like a politician and do your job or some....maybe a more proficient fool will do your job for you. We refuse to bow down to the one we elected to serve as our Sheriff and expect you, Munks and Bolanos to give us what they expect we should get. Politics is the second oldest profession, and it bears a striking resemblance to the first profession "prostitution". I hope when you, Munks and Bolanos wrestle with your conscious, your conscious will win as the tax payers have lost with the tenderloin two.

[Ed McGovern]

Realistic: I've got the guts to put my name to my quotes. Why don't you?

Realistic wrote:

Attention: Ed McGovern
This is not a "political issue". I guess the justice system is not sufficiently fool proof to a sufficiently talented fool('s). Make it idiot-proof, and someone will make a better idiot or elect a better idiot. I am sure Munks and Bolanos have the Reich stuff for the job (I did not misspell Reich) if no politician has the power to initiate an in dept investigation. A Nazi named Joesph Gobbels who was Hitlers number one solider (who was responsible for the murder of millions of Jews and gentiles,using their skin as lamp shades and experimenting with human lives which always resulted in death) once said "It is the absolute right of the state to supervise the formation of public opinion". So don't say this is a political issue. Silly old me, I have this idea that the constitution actually means something. Lets take a bite out of crime as McGruff the crime dog would say by recalling the Sheriff and having him get out of Dodge (Redwood city and Portola Valley) by noon. Our loyalty is to our country and not to our office holders. Take your pick; would you rather substitute the tax payers human rights for animal right?, We are not thankful for all the government we are paying for. I am sure you rather see the tax payers use to being in an concentration camp with your favorite blogers or accept it is dangerous for tax payers to be right when your government is wrong. An African American named Fredrick Douglas is known for his statement "Limits of tyrants are proscribed by the endurance of those they oppress". Another great American once said "A man who stands for nothing will fall for anything". Stop acting like a politician and do your job or some....maybe a more proficient fool will do your job for you. We refuse to bow down to the one we elected to serve as our Sheriff and expect you, Munks and Bolanos to give us what they expect we should get. Politics is the second oldest profession, and it bears a striking resemblance to the first profession "prostitution". I hope when you, Munks and Bolanos wrestle with your conscious, your conscious will win as the tax payers have lost with the tenderloin two.

[Realistic]

Thank you for pointing out your political tactics. Once again another politician acting like one of OJ's dream team by attempting to misdirect the true intention here rather than explain the obvious and protect us from the Sheriff we elected. You are very defensive and act like you declared Martial Law when I only pointed out our civil rights and the political view of a tax payer. Please do not act like you too have the reich stuff. We already have been represented by politicians who have killed our constitution and we don't need some one to bury it. We have been deceived in mass but perhaps you should enlighten us one at a time. I hope in the end you will not be one of the people who is interviewed by congress over a cover up and end up saying "I was only doing what I was told". I believe during the Nuremberg Trails Adolf Eichmann and the rest of the Nazi's said that. The difference between our world as tax payers is we have rights and in your world you have privileges.

Have you or your boss even requested a copy of the report for "Operation Doll House", interviewed the Las Vegas Metro Police or the F.B.I.? What have you or your boss done so far?

Remember; when our freedom is speech is taken not much else will matter and you should be thinking what the original sons of liberty did when they were faced with the same event. We already have taxation without representation.

Dr. of Political Science

Ed McGovern wrote:

Realistic: I've got the guts to put my name to my quotes. Why don't you?<quoted text>

[san mateo voter]

Mr. McGovern, as an advisor to Jerry Hill's campaign, would you explain his inconsistencies and poor judgment in this case, please? Please explain why Jerry Hill was so willing to overlook the brothel visit one year ago (according to his statement of praise for Munks at the time), and then took thousands of dollars of Munks' money last fall, and then returned the money only when pressed by the one-year anniversary media reports and by the strong statements of Reps. Eshoo and Speir.

This all stinks of political cronyism and flip-flopping opportunism to boot. At best, it shows a lack of leadership on the part of Jerry Hill and the rest of the Supes too. Okay, it doesn't stink as much as the brothel visit itself (underaged girls, probably sex slave trade victims), but Jerry Hill's approach to this case has definitely not been a vision of leadership.

Rather than attack anonymous online posters, would you explain your candidate's poor judgment in this case? Since you all are in a public political campaign, you and/or your candidate have a responsibility to the voters to give a better explanation of your thought process over the last year. Don't hide behind the narrow letter of the law when it is clear that your candidate was very glad to take the money from Munks--and to support him politically by letting the issue die--for the last 12 months.

[Michael G Stogner]

Mr. McGovern
Could you please explain why during a video interview on May 16, 2007

San Mateo County Supervisor Jerry Hill told CBS 5 reporter Robert Lyles who was doing a story called,

"New Questions About Bay Area Sheriff Caught in Las Vegas Sting"

Hill said,

"No one was aware these trips were occuring."

Why did Jerry Hill say that? The San Mateo Daily Journal reported that Jerry Hill and 18 of his close friends were in Las Vegas that weekend for his 60th Birthday Party.

Why would he lie to a reporter about this?

There were 54 San Mateo County Employees including our Top Two Law Enforcement Officers, 11 County vehicles and Jerry Hill.

Thank You in advance for your answer.

[Child Support]

Michael Stogner:

Can you please explain why you were held in contempt of court and ordered to pay fines in 2007 if you did nothing wrong?

[Deputy Dawg]

Clearly Mr. McGovern does not like to be ganged up on and live up to being a public servant. He has failed to provide public information to the public. Now that we know the three of them; Jerry Hill, Munks and Bolanos were in Las Vegas the same weekend we should refer to them as the Mustang Ranch Wranglers. What Sheriff Horsley did to build up a professional law enforcement organization, Munks and Bolanos brought it to the ground in record time. Their stay in Vegas gives a whole new meaning to leaving a tip.

[Former Deputy]

Deputy Dawg wrote:

What Sheriff Horsley did to build up a professional law enforcement organization, Munks and Bolanos brought it to the ground in record time.

I worked under Horsley... and it depends on who you ask of course, but in general I think Horsley was strongly disliked by the troops.

I'm now retired as is Horsley. I feel Horsley left Munks a department that has serious issues… Mainly because of some of the incompetent people he promoted to the Sergeant and Lieutenant level. Now those people are in place and Munks is forced to deal with them. When I say incompetent, I mean promoting a deputy to Sergeant who can’t even write a ticket without help… Handing them a radio and not knowing what channel to turn to … now they are supervising young deputies… and it has a horrible effect on the Office… and it has effected moral.. Although Munks is Sheriff now, the promotions I’m talking of were all Horsley promotions.

I'm indifferent to Don. We worked together for a few years, then he promoted up and like all administrators, forget where he came from.

To say Horsley "built up" the department... No.. I don't think that's accurate. I would say "Horsley set the department up for failure by promoting incompetent people for political reasons.”

Horsley was no great leader. Although after this Las Vegas Incident it may be hard to swallow, but Munks is a far better Sheriff than Horsley ever was.

Just an opinion from someone who has worked with and under both of them...so although you may not like my views, I know first hand.

[RWC voter]

Former Deputy,

You may or not know both sheriffs "first hand," and you may or not have been inside the organization, but keep in mind that you really don't have the outside perspective of citizens like me.

My perspective, as valid as yours, is that Munks was caught at a house of prostitution where illegal activity was taking place. Munks and Bolanos, the latter who will not be allowed to crawl into a shadowy corner, are the top law enforcement officials in San Mateo County, representing the most talented of all of you.

Their only plausible explanation is that they were too incompetent to realize that they were at a brothel or that they were willingly involved in criminal activity.

As a side note, judging by your post, you don't seem like a law enforcement official, retired or not, that would find himself in the same predicament.

[Deputy Dawg]

Thank you for your input and information.

Horsley did not always have any idea of who he was promoting with few exceptions. Drug, alcohol and credit checks for promotional testing would of produced better candidates. Horsley however is far above the personality of Munks and Bolanos.

Too many facilities and offices are from a considerable extent far from Redwood city and such and abundance and profusion of hidden incidents goes on with out the Sheriffs knowledge such as the Moss Beach Sub Station. I know the hiring standards and accreditations are and have been quite relaxed as you probably already know especially the Long Ford incident. Back to the point; I don't believe we'll be able to polish this one and bring accreditation not hesitating or wavering a situation that presents difficulty, uncertainty, or perplexity back to our work place for a very long time.

A close or systematic study of the Las Vegas incident would present a freedom from deceit or falseness of any claim based on the media coverage and either pinpoint the basis of the alleged unlikeness,discrepancy or information that may lead to a conventional and formal investigation. So why would Munks, Bolanos and the Captains be so dead set against an investigation? Still the financial side of the incident is quite serious and the over the top hotel they stayed at shows no regard for the tax money they used. This has been said before but there is a pattern.

[BigJimSlade]

So does Mr. McGovern have the guts to post on a forum, and then run away from any actual questions about why his client stayed quiet on this issue for over a year while receiving thousands of dollars in contributions from Munks and his family?

[Hal]

It's probably not even him....

[Michael G Stogner]

Could the Daily News publish the original charter and also the current charter to see if any changes in the wording have taken place.?

I have personal knowledge of San Mateo County Counsel under the leadership of Thomas Casey III filing false documents with the Court in another matter.

[Branden G]

Mr. Stogner, you have no personal knowledge of anything. You're a divorced, absentee father to a son who doesn't like you and a daughter who died tragically and would be embarrassed now by your behavior. Get a new hobby besides hanging around courtrooms and masquerading as a revolutionary. You're nothing more than a courthouse groupie...and I DO HAVE personal knowledge of all of this. Trying doing something that is actually constructive. Run for political office since you claim to know everything.

[Gutter Politics]

It never stops

[san mateo voter]

Mr. Stogner's personal behavior is beside the point. He is what he is--I don't know and don't care. He's a guy who posts on a blog, big deal.

On the other hand, Sheriff Munks, Undersheriff Bolanos, and Supervisor Hill are public officials, and Hill is now running for even higher office. There is a higher standard for them. A standard that our top law enforcement officers not violate the law so blatantly as to patronize a sleazy brothel with underaged girls and piles of drugs. A standard that our elected county officials not let this issue die while taking thousands of campaign dollars from said disgraced sheriff.

Mr. McGovern and/or Supervisor Hill, please explain while your campaign stood by for a year and took all that money, and only returned it when the story was reported again. Have you even returned Munks' family's money, or just his own donation? Please tell us how this is a good example of leadership and why we should vote for you. Will everything be smoke-filled back halls for you in Sacramento, like this seems to be? Back-slapping and who you know, all in service of your own political ambition? Your statements about the letter of the law are so lame. You know you made statements supporting Munks after the brothel arrest, and you know you took his money. Flip-flopping now just makes you a political panderer.

[Michael G Stogner]

Branden G wrote:

Mr. Stogner, you have no personal knowledge of anything. You're a divorced, absentee father to a son who doesn't like you and a daughter who died tragically and would be embarrassed now by your behavior. Get a new hobby besides hanging around courtrooms and masquerading as a revolutionary. You're nothing more than a courthouse groupie...and I DO HAVE personal knowledge of all of this. Trying doing something that is actually constructive. Run for political office since you claim to know everything.

Branden G.

The false document I was ref. to was filed
Jan 5, 2004
Thomas Casey III County Counsel (SBN 47562
By Carol L. Woodward, Deputy (SBN 084197)
Case No. SC053584A

[Alibi Smith]

Deputy Dawg wrote:

Thank you for your input and information.
Horsley did not always have any idea of who he was promoting with few exceptions. Drug, alcohol and credit checks for promotional testing would of produced better candidates. Horsley however is far above the personality of Munks and Bolanos.
Too many facilities and offices are from a considerable extent far from Redwood city and such and abundance and profusion of hidden incidents goes on with out the Sheriffs knowledge such as the Moss Beach Sub Station. I know the hiring standards and accreditations are and have been quite relaxed as you probably already know especially the Long Ford incident. Back to the point; I don't believe we'll be able to polish this one and bring accreditation not hesitating or wavering a situation that presents difficulty, uncertainty, or perplexity back to our work place for a very long time.
A close or systematic study of the Las Vegas incident would present a freedom from deceit or falseness of any claim based on the media coverage and either pinpoint the basis of the alleged unlikeness,discrepancy or information that may lead to a conventional and formal investigation. So why would Munks, Bolanos and the Captains be so dead set against an investigation? Still the financial side of the incident is quite serious and the over the top hotel they stayed at shows no regard for the tax money they used. This has been said before but there is a pattern.

The question you should be asking is if the other Captains were also in Vegas.

[san mateo voter]

I wish everyone, including Mr. Stogner, would lay off his personal issues. The issue that matters to the people of SMC is the cronyism of our politicians that has allowed our top law enforcement officer to act as if going to a brothel with underaged girls and drugs is somehow okay. The other point that matters to the voters is that Supervisor Hill, who took this guy's money, is now running for higher office. As a voter I don't give a rat's ass about Mr. Stogner's behavior and I wish he and the rest of you would shut up about it.

I am still waiting for an explanation from Supervisor Jerry Hill or his campaign advisor Mr. Ed McGovern about why he took Munks's money last fall, before flip-flopping under media scrutiny.