Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

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A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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suzanne henderson

El Dorado Hills, CA

#211135 Aug 20, 2013
For those of you out there that think that we are not correct about our thread on this forum in our explaination about what this forum is suppose to be about, well, we mentioned that it was suppose to be about prop. 8, but we also said that it seems as though people are talking about homosexuals. Prop. 8 is only about same-sex marriage and are you saying that the same-sex married people are not homosexuals? You may have your head in the sand, for if it wasn't for homsexuals, there would not have been a prop. 8!! This is what this is all about, because homosexuals decided that they wanted to be equal with normal marriages, that they decided to force themselves into pushing and pushing their agenda and now the courts have decided to favor the homosexuals agenda, but I would like to tell you that the True Beliver in Christ will NEVER or EVER accept this court ruling. The only ones we accept as Marriage is what God intended it to be and that is MAN+WOMAN=MARRIAGE!!

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oneboner

Clearlake, CA

#211136 Aug 20, 2013
Jonah1 wrote:
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When you name one culture where women were treated equally from start to finish. Just one.
Historical context. The argument of fools!!!!
Why don't you just cut and post this from now on: "But it's not been done before so therefore that magically translates to, it shouldn't be done now....despite the fact that I and no other bigot like me can establish a reason to deny it."
KiMare = Stupid cur
Women and men are different...and vive la difference!

you obsessive compulsive mean spirited lil "freaks" just don't get it.
Too bad for you. However, please quit projecting YOUR problems upon the rest of us....and thank you in advance.
sheesh

Gaithersburg, MD

#211137 Aug 20, 2013
suzanne henderson wrote:
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My husband and I will check this out, for we have a greek and hebrew dictionary. We do feel that Romans Chapter 1 makes it very clear about homsexuality. These are the verses that we use most of the time. What would be your interpertation of these verses in Romans? We look up greek and hebrew words quite often. We do know that God did not create homosexuals & he would not of created anything that was not perfect. We believe that it is man's sins from the beginning that started sin no matter what it is. Somebody told me earlier that God made homosexuals and I said then, God would have made women to have abortions, children born blind or no limbs. I know personally that there was a medicine that women were taking when they were pregnant many years ago and it was for nausea and I did not take it myself when I was pregnant, but lots of babies were born without limbs. So did God create that? Absolutely Not. This was man's doing. We believe that God created everything perfect and then because of sin, man did sins as time went on and diseases and illnesses came along because of sin and we both know the diseases of homosexuality. I did a research on the second world war and they came up with 9 diseases with homosexuals only. I wrote some material awhile back about this subject. Also, man was so wicked during the time of Sodom and Gomorrah that God destroyed both of those cities. The word sodomy came from Sodom and we know what that means. Anyway thats for your information and we will do our research.
I will not be writing back any individuals from now on. I will write my comments on the forum. It is causing to much confusion and I do not to direct anything that I write to any certain person. There is so much bad language, personal attacks and things that are so bad that in our opinion, we have never witnessed anything like this forum. I write alot of letters to alot of forums from time to
Your God made homosexuals vs God made women to have abortions doesn't wash. Homosexuals have no choice with regard to their orientation. Women clearly have a choice with an abortion.

When you're consulting your Hebrew and Greek dictionaries I would caution you on something. The original texts were written two thousand or so years ago. The King James Bible was translated hundreds of years later. Words lose their original meaning and are changed quite often. So be cautious on those definitions because no language is free of this fault. You must translate with the era of the writings in mind if you wish to be taken with more than a grain of salt. Context is everything.

You can start a pertinent exercise with the word awful.
suzanne henderson

El Dorado Hills, CA

#211138 Aug 20, 2013
To who it is that quoted me that I do not believe that a Christian can sin, you are correct. For that does not mean that Christians do not please God at times like anger or having bad feelings for a time etc,. I will explain what I am talking about. In the Book of First John Chapter 3 verses 8-9 and I quote: "He that committeth sin is of the devil, for the devil sinneth from the beginning, for this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God." Sir, because you do not want to believe or want to argue, we are quoting what our Creator wrote through the Prophets and we know that there are other Scriptures that pertain to people sinning, but before we are saved, we were sinners, but now we are bought with a price of Christ's Blood on the Cross and we should not practice sin. In the Old Testament King David who was a man of God did go against His God and did commit 2 very bad sins, but he paid the ultimate price for what he did, so if a Christian does fall for a time, they will suffer consequenses for what they have done, but with a contrite Spirit, God may forgive them to come back, but I would be extremely careful from that point on and not practice sin.
heartandmind

Moline, IL

#211139 Aug 20, 2013
suzanne henderson wrote:
To whom is saying that we are writing fake posts, then would you please prove what you are saying. We personally do not call people names, we not not sware or use profanity,we do not try to belittle someone either, and we are not the Holier than Thou either (for we are saved by Grace only), for we are only introducing Scripture to those out there that have not taken the time to Study God's Word and the subject on this forum is Prop. 8 being overturned and also people discussing their feelings about homosexuality and so we are addressing that subject. Whoever you are that wrote that post and you know who you are and so do we, please be more considerate of others when you are writing your notes. Is this the way you talk and treat your family?
do you really think that you're the FIRST person to try this tactic with homosexual people? do you think that you're the first to find that little nugget you think will "change" someone?
so, no, you're not "introducing scripture to those out there that have not taken the time to study God's word..." you're not saying anything new or inciteful in this topic.

and if you're wondering "who" wrote those posts - go back to them and quote them - there's a button you can select that will allow you to quote the post you're confused by. that should clear things up for you.
heartandmind

Moline, IL

#211140 Aug 20, 2013
oneboner wrote:
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Women and men are different...and vive la difference!
you obsessive compulsive mean spirited lil "freaks" just don't get it.
Too bad for you. However, please quit projecting YOUR problems upon the rest of us....and thank you in advance.
please quit projecting YOUR problems upon the rest of us....and thank you in advance.
heartandmind

Moline, IL

#211142 Aug 20, 2013
suzanne henderson wrote:
For those of you out there that think that we are not correct about our thread on this forum in our explaination about what this forum is suppose to be about, well, we mentioned that it was suppose to be about prop. 8, but we also said that it seems as though people are talking about homosexuals. Prop. 8 is only about same-sex marriage and are you saying that the same-sex married people are not homosexuals? You may have your head in the sand, for if it wasn't for homsexuals, there would not have been a prop. 8!! This is what this is all about, because homosexuals decided that they wanted to be equal with normal marriages, that they decided to force themselves into pushing and pushing their agenda and now the courts have decided to favor the homosexuals agenda, but I would like to tell you that the True Beliver in Christ will NEVER or EVER accept this court ruling. The only ones we accept as Marriage is what God intended it to be and that is MAN+WOMAN=MARRIAGE!!
furthermore....deep sigh here....the issues surround the legalities of marriage - the contractual and legal texts that frame a legal marriage. not your feelings about what is or isn't a marriage. not your feelings or opinions about homosexuality. we don't expect you to change your mind about either same sex marriage or about homosexuality - so why should we change who we are just to satisfy you?

and i ask this as a fellow christian. i just see things differently than you. and by the way, don't try the same tactic that so many other self-rightous self-avowed christians have tried by proclaiming anyone that's gay can't possibly be a christian. you don't decide who is and who isn't a christian since you don't know what is anyone else's heart.

once you can differentiate between the legal issues of same sex marriage and your own personal religious view of homosexuality, perhaps we can have a rational discussion.

and if you'd like to respond to this post, please, don't say "whoever said..." - just use the quote function or "reply to this post". it's easy enough since everyone else can accomplish this feat.
suzanne henderson

El Dorado Hills, CA

#211143 Aug 20, 2013
God would not allow the Scriptures to be kept in the dark because he was allowing his Creation to continue. What would be the purpose of God contining with these generations after Christ and he would have left us out in the cold and have us not know who he is and what his plan is for our lives? I know it was translated, but I also believe that God was with them and if they had made a slight error, we still get the message of how God expects us to live and how to be Saved through His Son, so we are without any excuse. My husband and I know that God is real and lives in our lives because of how we know when we do wrong. Who is telling us that we are doing wrong? It is God trying to reach us and telling us to come to him for he will make us pure through His Son. Where does a conscience come from? for that is a question that everybody should think about. God made us have a conscience, so that we would know what is right and what is wrong, so we could know how to live a happy life and a spiritual life and for me and my family, we see how it works even when we come into a tangle about something, we always have God speaking to us in his word, so we can forgive each other and still be a family.
Big D

Modesto, CA

#211144 Aug 20, 2013
suzanne henderson wrote:
For those of you out there that think that we are not correct about our thread on this forum in our explaination about what this forum is suppose to be about, well, we mentioned that it was suppose to be about prop. 8, but we also said that it seems as though people are talking about homosexuals. Prop. 8 is only about same-sex marriage and are you saying that the same-sex married people are not homosexuals? You may have your head in the sand, for if it wasn't for homsexuals, there would not have been a prop. 8!! This is what this is all about, because homosexuals decided that they wanted to be equal with normal marriages, that they decided to force themselves into pushing and pushing their agenda and now the courts have decided to favor the homosexuals agenda, but I would like to tell you that the True Beliver in Christ will NEVER or EVER accept this court ruling. The only ones we accept as Marriage is what God intended it to be and that is MAN+WOMAN=MARRIAGE!!
It doesn’t matter if you personally accept it or not, you and your religion are just not that important.

They are married whether you like it or not, legally, and recognized on the state and federal level, and your opinion carries no weight at all.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#211145 Aug 20, 2013
Big D wrote:
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Truth doesn’t change?
So you support slavery
You support the repression of women as second class citizens
You are a racist bigot?
You support burning protestants at the stake
All of those where truths
Truth doesn’t change... are you volunteering to be burned first?
The truth is, those things were always wrong.

Calling mutually sterile duplicate gendered couples married is always wrong too.

This isn't rocket science.
oneboner

Clearlake, CA

#211146 Aug 20, 2013
heartandmind wrote:
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please quit projecting YOUR problems upon the rest of us....and thank you in advance.
I am just fine, thank you.....and you?
lololololol
Women and men are different.....and vive la difference.
Please stop trying to project YOUR lil problems upon the remainder of the human race.
You may screw anyone you like (if they are agreeable), in any way that you like(if they are agreeable),. Quite frankly, I(we) don't care.
Just do us a favor and keep it to yourself. I do not tell you about my private life, and I (we) don't want to know about yours......and again, thank you in advance.
suzanne henderson

El Dorado Hills, CA

#211147 Aug 20, 2013
To heartandmind, I know exactly who wrote what, but I really do not want for the most part to attack anyone personally because they wrote something that I do not agree with. I know how to reply on this forum, but not everybody reads every post, like myself, I do not either read every post. If I start reading and I see that someone is using filthy language, or calling names to one another, I immediately move on to another post. I have said that my husband and I are only on this forum for one purpose. We believe in witnessing about Christ, so in that being said, we feel that there is so many people out there that are crying, feeling guilty for what they have done and do not know what to do, thinking about commtting suicide (of which I have read on the internet that many homosexuals have already committed suicide), or anything that they may need help for in any sin that they are doing. We do not have all the answers to everything and I have never said that, but we are not here for those who attack us or say bad things, we are only here to help someone to find God through His Son Jesus (Yeshua) and he will do the rest. If someone does not like our post and does not agree that is fine, but it does not really bother us, for we are not here for them. This post is suppose to be about prop. 8 and that has to do with same-sex marriages and that has to do with homosexuals, so we decided to come on to this forum and maybe someone will listen to what God has to say about it, for we did not write the Scriptures, we are only trying to tell what most people would not take the time to check the Bible out for themselves, but there are those who do read it only to argue about it and we do know the difference.

Thank you for your comment.

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Big D

Modesto, CA

#211148 Aug 20, 2013
KiMare wrote:
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The truth is, those things were always wrong.
Calling mutually sterile duplicate gendered couples married is always wrong too.
This isn't rocket science.
So you thing those things were always wrong, and slavery was always right, and repression of women as second class citizens was always right and burning protestants at the stake was always right.

I am sure glad I am not of your religion.

Cause I can tell you right now, your religion was always wrong.

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suzanne henderson

El Dorado Hills, CA

#211149 Aug 20, 2013
Thank you so very much for all your comments today. We will give all of you that disagree with us some relief so that you can challenge someone else for the rest of today. I have a job to do and also work to be done for my family. As Jesus said "I'LL BE BACK".
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#211151 Aug 20, 2013
suzanne henderson wrote:
Thank you so very much for all your comments today. We will give all of you that disagree with us some relief so that you can challenge someone else for the rest of today. I have a job to do and also work to be done for my family. As Jesus said "I'LL BE BACK".
That was Arnold.

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heartandmind

Moline, IL

#211153 Aug 20, 2013
suzanne henderson wrote:
To heartandmind, I know exactly who wrote what, but I really do not want for the most part to attack anyone personally because they wrote something that I do not agree with. I know how to reply on this forum, but not everybody reads every post, like myself, I do not either read every post. If I start reading and I see that someone is using filthy language, or calling names to one another, I immediately move on to another post. I have said that my husband and I are only on this forum for one purpose. We believe in witnessing about Christ, so in that being said, we feel that there is so many people out there that are crying, feeling guilty for what they have done and do not know what to do, thinking about commtting suicide (of which I have read on the internet that many homosexuals have already committed suicide), or anything that they may need help for in any sin that they are doing. We do not have all the answers to everything and I have never said that, but we are not here for those who attack us or say bad things, we are only here to help someone to find God through His Son Jesus (Yeshua) and he will do the rest. If someone does not like our post and does not agree that is fine, but it does not really bother us, for we are not here for them. This post is suppose to be about prop. 8 and that has to do with same-sex marriages and that has to do with homosexuals, so we decided to come on to this forum and maybe someone will listen to what God has to say about it, for we did not write the Scriptures, we are only trying to tell what most people would not take the time to check the Bible out for themselves, but there are those who do read it only to argue about it and we do know the difference.
Thank you for your comment.
just because you quote or reply to a posting doesn't mean that you're attacking anyone. that much we all understand. so don't be afraid to hit "reply".

you say you're here for those crying out for help....fine...but you do realize that we've all been offered the same "help" you're offering throughout our lives. and that "help" you think you offer doesn't really "help". i point to exodus international as a reference. i point to the latest laws in california and now new jersey making it illegal for this "tranformative therapy" to be done to minors. that should be a dead giveaway to you and others like you that everyone views those "efforts" as non-effective - some would say even downright offensive and abusive.

furthermore, if you're attempting to council those that are "crying and feeling guilty about what they've done", i think you need to know that you could do more harm to a person's psyche than good. i know this because i work in a program in my community that councils teens that have attempted suicide or have threatened to commit suicide. my pastor and fellwo congregant that's a clinical psychologist bring me in when it's a gay or questioning teen that's been bullied or abused. and by and large, given that we're in texas (bible belt buckle, so to speak), what i hear is not good. every single teen has told us the same story - hearing the same things you're talking about sharing. maybe not as kindly as you're attempting to phrase things....but, it's there. the blood of many teens and young adults is on the hands of those that try what you're doing - pushing the kids around emotionally by using those same biblical passages, their faith, their religion against the kid. even the kids that are around these teens are doing the same things - and have been taught by their parents and their churches..so they're just acting on what they've been taught.

you may think you're doing good - but you're hurting more than helping kids. please, stop, and let trained professionals deal with the hurting souls, if for no other reason than to save a life.
heartandmind

Moline, IL

#211154 Aug 20, 2013
oneboner wrote:
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I am just fine, thank you.....and you?
lololololol
Women and men are different.....and vive la difference.
Please stop trying to project YOUR lil problems upon the remainder of the human race.
You may screw anyone you like (if they are agreeable), in any way that you like(if they are agreeable),. Quite frankly, I(we) don't care.
Just do us a favor and keep it to yourself. I do not tell you about my private life, and I (we) don't want to know about yours......and again, thank you in advance.
you're "fine"? really?

i don't share tidbits about my sex life. with anyone. why is it that folks like you are so dang curious about who does what to whom in a same sex relationship? do you guys just sit and visualize what goes on? do you do this when you meet heterosexual couples, too? i just find it utterly odd that anyone would even talk about these acts - and it's you and folks like you that talk in details.

odd. just entirely odd.
your statements and postings sure indicate someone that's "not so fine".
HeelAnToe

Monrovia, CA

#211155 Aug 20, 2013
Just march yourself to the nearest BUS STATION AND BUY A ONE WAY TICKET TO the farthest destination the bus ravels to.
commonpeeps

Covina, CA

#211156 Aug 20, 2013
heartandmind wrote:
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you're "fine"? really?
i don't share tidbits about my sex life. with anyone. why is it that folks like you are so dang curious about who does what to whom in a same sex relationship? do you guys just sit and visualize what goes on? do you do this when you meet heterosexual couples, too? i just find it utterly odd that anyone would even talk about these acts - and it's you and folks like you that talk in details.
odd. just entirely odd.
your statements and postings sure indicate someone that's "not so fine".
Uh, let me guess... how many ways can a man bone another man??? doesn't take too much thinking to figure that one out. We're not curious (George) we're disgusted, there is a difference. Yeah, yeah, differences don't mean much to you right? And your entire post was talking about what you're complaining about us talking about. So you said it , we get it, just sit and watch from now on.

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#211157 Aug 20, 2013
Big D wrote:
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So you thing those things were always wrong, and slavery was always right, and repression of women as second class citizens was always right and burning protestants at the stake was always right.
I am sure glad I am not of your religion.
Cause I can tell you right now, your religion was always wrong.
Often you are so silly stupid its not worth engaging.

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