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Monrovia, CA

#203656 Jul 19, 2013
The mentality of people these days, Glendora has the same hidden culture defect running through it's insider club's.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/attack-on ...

A few minutes later, the boy said he heard a male voice coming from the second or third floor of the same building, yelling,“Go back to Africa you [expletives]! It was only piss.”

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Since: Dec 09

Knoxville, TN

#203657 Jul 19, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (NASB)
9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,
10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.
I was in the process of writing a small dissertation in response to what I have come to consider a so-called Christian "drive-by". You know what I'm talking about... Those one or two, cherry-picked pieces of scripture that you guys lob at gays as "proof positive" that Christ disapproves of homosexuality.

But I'll try to keep it brief...

1.) Paul was a fallible man.

2.) He was raised a Jew. He was brought up in the ancient Jewish traditions. He had been heavily influenced throughout his life; believing that the way to worship God was through the strict adherence to the 613 commandments handed down by God. He was considered to be a somewhat ruthless Rabi prior to his conversion.

3.) I believe that even though he converted to following Christ, he never made the full transition to living a life without following extremely structured laws. He had a new set of laws. But laws and commandments were always important to him.

4.) Paul's letter to the religious leaders in the city of Corinth was in response to a letter they had sent to him. They needed "clarification". They wanted specifics on how to correctly follow Christ's teachings. And Paul, with his long history of being reliant upon laws and commandments, gave them exactly what he thought they needed.

5.) At no point in his letters to anyone do I believe Paul thought, "I'm writing this letter with the knowledge that they will one day be included in a collection of stories and letters that Christians will entitled,'The Books of the New Testament'."
These letters were written to specific people to address specific issues. I'm not sure what Paul's letters would have looked like had he known that one day an INCREDIBLE amount of importance would be placed on them.
It's very important to keep this in context.

6.) The world that Paul lived in is very different than the world that we live in. During that time, there was there was no scientific or medical understanding of chemical dependency.
Given what we know now--that some people are born with a gene that predisposes them to alcoholism--it is unlikely that God would refuse them entrance to Heaven because of their medical problem.
The same is true with homosexuality. We now know that homosexuality is not a disorder. It is not a choice and is therefore biologically based.
This is not to say that homosexuality and chemical dependence can be compared to one another. Obviously, someone who is chemically dependent has difficulty functioning either in their personal life or within society.
Homosexuality DOES NOT impair people the way that chemical dependency does.
My point is that we live in a different world--a different time--with different understandings about these and other issues than those who lived in ancient Greece.

5.) Final point... God didn't stop speaking to people when the final book of the New Testament was canonized. As I've shared before, He spoke to me about my being gay. He has spoken to many other gay Christians.
Regardless of what early Christian leaders may have said on the subject, we know--through our faith in Christ and belief in God--that we're living the life that God gave to us.

----------

Now, I'm sure you have all kinds of responses to my post. That's fine. Go right ahead and attempt to argue, convert, explain, etc. But you're not going to move me. And you're not going to move others.

I would appreciate it if you stopped lobbing scripture at me and others as though you know how God will judge us when we stand before Him.

You don't know. No one knows. So just drop it.

So much for brevity...
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#203658 Jul 19, 2013
Big D wrote:
<quoted text>
"There is no one righteous, not even one": Romans 3:10
"Excepteth for Big D." Frankie 3:10
Gustavo

San Pedro, CA

#203659 Jul 19, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
<quoted text>
I was in the process of writing a small dissertation in response to what I have come to consider a so-called Christian "drive-by". You know what I'm talking about... Those one or two, cherry-picked pieces of scripture that you guys lob at gays as "proof positive" that Christ disapproves of homosexuality.
But I'll try to keep it brief...
1.) Paul was a fallible man.
2.) He was raised a Jew. He was brought up in the ancient Jewish traditions. He had been heavily influenced throughout his life; believing that the way to worship God was through the strict adherence to the 613 commandments handed down by God. He was considered to be a somewhat ruthless Rabi prior to his conversion.
3.) I believe that even though he converted to following Christ, he never made the full transition to living a life without following extremely structured laws. He had a new set of laws. But laws and commandments were always important to him.
4.) Paul's letter to the religious leaders in the city of Corinth was in response to a letter they had sent to him. They needed "clarification". They wanted specifics on how to correctly follow Christ's teachings. And Paul, with his long history of being reliant upon laws and commandments, gave them exactly what he thought they needed.
5.) At no point in his letters to anyone do I believe Paul thought, "I'm writing this letter with the knowledge that they will one day be included in a collection of stories and letters that Christians will entitled,'The Books of the New Testament'."
These letters were written to specific people to address specific issues. I'm not sure what Paul's letters would have looked like had he known that one day an INCREDIBLE amount of importance would be placed on them.
It's very important to keep this in context.
6.) The world that Paul lived in is very different than the world that we live in. During that time, there was there was no scientific or medical understanding of chemical dependency.
Given what we know now--that some people are born with a gene that predisposes them to alcoholism--it is unlikely that God would refuse them entrance to Heaven because of their medical problem.
The same is true with homosexuality. We now know that homosexuality is not a disorder. It is not a choice and is therefore biologically based.
This is not to say that homosexuality and chemical dependence can be compared to one another. Obviously, someone who is chemically dependent has difficulty functioning either in their personal life or within society.
Homosexuality DOES NOT impair people the way that chemical dependency does.
My point is that we live in a different world--a different time--with different understandings about these and other issues than those who lived in ancient Greece.
5.) Final point... God didn't stop speaking to people when the final book of the New Testament was canonized. As I've shared before, He spoke to me about my being gay. He has spoken to many other gay Christians.
Regardless of what early Christian leaders may have said on the subject, we know--through our faith in Christ and belief in God--that we're living the life that God gave to us.
----------
Now, I'm sure you have all kinds of responses to my post. That's fine. Go right ahead and attempt to argue, convert, explain, etc. But you're not going to move me. And you're not going to move others.
I would appreciate it if you stopped lobbing scripture at me and others as though you know how God will judge us when we stand before Him.
You don't know. No one knows. So just drop it.
So much for brevity...
Too long and boring, so please STFU

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#203660 Jul 19, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
<quoted text>
I was in the process of writing a small dissertation in response to what I have come to consider a so-called Christian "drive-by". You know what I'm talking about... Those one or two, cherry-picked pieces of scripture that you guys lob at gays as "proof positive" that Christ disapproves of homosexuality.
But I'll try to keep it brief...
1.) Paul was a fallible man.
2.) He was raised a Jew. He was brought up in the ancient Jewish traditions. He had been heavily influenced throughout his life; believing that the way to worship God was through the strict adherence to the 613 commandments handed down by God. He was considered to be a somewhat ruthless Rabi prior to his conversion.
3.) I believe that even though he converted to following Christ, he never made the full transition to living a life without following extremely structured laws. He had a new set of laws. But laws and commandments were always important to him.
4.) Paul's letter to the religious leaders in the city of Corinth was in response to a letter they had sent to him. They needed "clarification". They wanted specifics on how to correctly follow Christ's teachings. And Paul, with his long history of being reliant upon laws and commandments, gave them exactly what he thought they needed.
5.) At no point in his letters to anyone do I believe Paul thought, "I'm writing this letter with the knowledge that they will one day be included in a collection of stories and letters that Christians will entitled,'The Books of the New Testament'."
These letters were written to specific people to address specific issues. I'm not sure what Paul's letters would have looked like had he known that one day an INCREDIBLE amount of importance would be placed on them.
It's very important to keep this in context.
6.) The world that Paul lived in is very different than the world that we live in. During that time, there was there was no scientific or medical understanding of chemical dependency.
Given what we know now--that some people are born with a gene that predisposes them to alcoholism--it is unlikely that God would refuse them entrance to Heaven because of their medical problem.
The same is true with homosexuality. We now know that homosexuality is not a disorder. It is not a choice and is therefore biologically based.
This is not to say that homosexuality and chemical dependence can be compared to one another. Obviously, someone who is chemically dependent has difficulty functioning either in their personal life or within society.
Homosexuality DOES NOT impair people the way that chemical dependency does.
My point is that we live in a different world--a different time--with different understandings about these and other issues than those who lived in ancient Greece.
5.) Final point... God didn't stop speaking to people when the final book of the New Testament was canonized. As I've shared before, He spoke to me about my being gay. He has spoken to many other gay Christians.
Regardless of what early Christian leaders may have said on the subject, we know--through our faith in Christ and belief in God--that we're living the life that God gave to us.
----------
Now, I'm sure you have all kinds of responses to my post. That's fine. Go right ahead and attempt to argue, convert, explain, etc. But you're not going to move me. And you're not going to move others.
I would appreciate it if you stopped lobbing scripture at me and others as though you know how God will judge us when we stand before Him.
You don't know. No one knows. So just drop it.
So much for brevity...
You made the claim that scripture didn't instruct us in judging sin. I simply used one of many passages that prove otherwise.

I am fully aware that as a reprobate you disparage the Bible. Your views are classic heresy.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#203661 Jul 19, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
<quoted text>
I see... Well, I guess it violated TOPIX's TOS and they exercised their option to delete your account.
I was once "suspended" but after a conversation with the moderator I was given my account back.
My post stating "Nice weather today" prompted Topix to exercise their option to delete my posts?
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#203662 Jul 19, 2013
Mikey wrote:
<quoted text>
They also cover up ANY race when reporting. But then it's all about you isn't it POS? Guess that's why they termed it the 'bigot persecution syndrome'.
Relax fruitloops.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#203663 Jul 19, 2013
Mikey wrote:
<quoted text>
umm. that's not fact. That is your insecurity and weak minded fantasy that you've chosen to follow, talking.
Mikey said, weak minded and insecure.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#203664 Jul 19, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
<quoted text>
I was in the process of writing a small dissertation in response to what I have come to consider a so-called Christian "drive-by". You know what I'm talking about... Those one or two, cherry-picked pieces of scripture that you guys lob at gays as "proof positive" that Christ disapproves of homosexuality.
But I'll try to keep it brief...
1.) Paul was a fallible man.
2.) He was raised a Jew. He was brought up in the ancient Jewish traditions. He had been heavily influenced throughout his life; believing that the way to worship God was through the strict adherence to the 613 commandments handed down by God. He was considered to be a somewhat ruthless Rabi prior to his conversion.
3.) I believe that even though he converted to following Christ, he never made the full transition to living a life without following extremely structured laws. He had a new set of laws. But laws and commandments were always important to him.
4.) Paul's letter to the religious leaders in the city of Corinth was in response to a letter they had sent to him. They needed "clarification". They wanted specifics on how to correctly follow Christ's teachings. And Paul, with his long history of being reliant upon laws and commandments, gave them exactly what he thought they needed.
5.) At no point in his letters to anyone do I believe Paul thought, "I'm writing this letter with the knowledge that they will one day be included in a collection of stories and letters that Christians will entitled,'The Books of the New Testament'."
These letters were written to specific people to address specific issues. I'm not sure what Paul's letters would have looked like had he known that one day an INCREDIBLE amount of importance would be placed on them.
It's very important to keep this in context.
6.) The world that Paul lived in is very different than the world that we live in. During that time, there was there was no scientific or medical understanding of chemical dependency.
Given what we know now--that some people are born with a gene that predisposes them to alcoholism--it is unlikely that God would refuse them entrance to Heaven because of their medical problem.
The same is true with homosexuality. We now know that homosexuality is not a disorder. It is not a choice and is therefore biologically based.
This is not to say that homosexuality and chemical dependence can be compared to one another. Obviously, someone who is chemically dependent has difficulty functioning either in their personal life or within society.
Homosexuality DOES NOT impair people the way that chemical dependency does.
My point is that we live in a different world--a different time--with different understandings about these and other issues than those who lived in ancient Greece.
5.) Final point... God didn't stop speaking to people when the final book of the New Testament was canonized. As I've shared before, He spoke to me about my being gay. He has spoken to many other gay Christians.
Regardless of what early Christian leaders may have said on the subject, we know--through our faith in Christ and belief in God--that we're living the life that God gave to us.
----------
Now, I'm sure you have all kinds of responses to my post. That's fine. Go right ahead and attempt to argue, convert, explain, etc. But you're not going to move me. And you're not going to move others.
I would appreciate it if you stopped lobbing scripture at me and others as though you know how God will judge us when we stand before Him.
You don't know. No one knows. So just drop it.
So much for brevity...
Too wordy. Switch to decaf.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#203665 Jul 19, 2013
Gustavo wrote:
<quoted text>
Too long and boring, so please STFU
You tell him Gustavo you silly jackass!
China Wall

Monrovia, CA

#203666 Jul 19, 2013
July 2013

Communist China has a very big problem right now, supply and return formula in economics 101.

China doesn’t know how to slow down that it’s a runaway economy that falls over if it stops moving forward.

A wall of their own making is about to stop them but the ripple effects will be felt around the world when it does!

It will be called the China Depression not recession but a full blown world wide depression.

July 2013
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#203667 Jul 19, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
<quoted text>
I was in the process of writing a small dissertation in response to what I have come to consider a so-called Christian "drive-by". You know what I'm talking about... Those one or two, cherry-picked pieces of scripture that you guys lob at gays as "proof positive" that Christ disapproves of homosexuality.
But I'll try to keep it brief...
1.) Paul was a fallible man.
2.) He was raised a Jew. He was brought up in the ancient Jewish traditions. He had been heavily influenced throughout his life; believing that the way to worship God was through the strict adherence to the 613 commandments handed down by God. He was considered to be a somewhat ruthless Rabi prior to his conversion.
3.) I believe that even though he converted to following Christ, he never made the full transition to living a life without following extremely structured laws. He had a new set of laws. But laws and commandments were always important to him.
4.) Paul's letter to the religious leaders in the city of Corinth was in response to a letter they had sent to him. They needed "clarification". They wanted specifics on how to correctly follow Christ's teachings. And Paul, with his long history of being reliant upon laws and commandments, gave them exactly what he thought they needed.
5.) At no point in his letters to anyone do I believe Paul thought, "I'm writing this letter with the knowledge that they will one day be included in a collection of stories and letters that Christians will entitled,'The Books of the New Testament'."
These letters were written to specific people to address specific issues. I'm not sure what Paul's letters would have looked like had he known that one day an INCREDIBLE amount of importance would be placed on them.
It's very important to keep this in context.
6.) The world that Paul lived in is very different than the world that we live in. During that time, there was there was no scientific or medical understanding of chemical dependency.
Given what we know now--that some people are born with a gene that predisposes them to alcoholism--it is unlikely that God would refuse them entrance to Heaven because of their medical problem.
The same is true with homosexuality. We now know that homosexuality is not a disorder. It is not a choice and is therefore biologically based.
This is not to say that homosexuality and chemical dependence can be compared to one another. Obviously, someone who is chemically dependent has difficulty functioning either in their personal life or within society.
Homosexuality DOES NOT impair people the way that chemical dependency does.
My point is that we live in a different world--a different time--with different understandings about these and other issues than those who lived in ancient Greece.
5.) Final point... God didn't stop speaking to people when the final book of the New Testament was canonized. As I've shared before, He spoke to me about my being gay. He has spoken to many other gay Christians.
Regardless of what early Christian leaders may have said on the subject, we know--through our faith in Christ and belief in God--that we're living the life that God gave to us.
----------
Now, I'm sure you have all kinds of responses to my post. That's fine. Go right ahead and attempt to argue, convert, explain, etc. But you're not going to move me. And you're not going to move others.
I would appreciate it if you stopped lobbing scripture at me and others as though you know how God will judge us when we stand before Him.
You don't know. No one knows. So just drop it.
So much for brevity...
Way too long. Switch to decaf.
Big D

Modesto, CA

#203668 Jul 19, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
You made the claim that scripture didn't instruct us in judging sin. I simply used one of many passages that prove otherwise.
I am fully aware that as a reprobate you disparage the Bible. Your views are classic heresy.
So you live by some passages and totally ignore others, seems to me you are a reprobate that disparages your own bible and your view is heresy, as you ignore the bible also.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#203669 Jul 19, 2013
Big D wrote:
<quoted text>
So you live by some passages and totally ignore others, seems to me you are a reprobate that disparages your own bible and your view is heresy, as you ignore the bible also.
Run that by us again? He's a reprobate that disparages the bible and ignores it also?

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#203670 Jul 19, 2013
Big D wrote:
<quoted text>
So you live by some passages and totally ignore others, seems to me you are a reprobate that disparages your own bible and your view is heresy, as you ignore the bible also.
If you had a brain, you'd realize it was VV who denied verses. I simply answered his challenge and proved him wrong.

You once again exposed your ignorant bigotry.
Worst businesses

Monrovia, CA

#203671 Jul 19, 2013
Worst businesses in America NOW other than the Chinese run or ruined businesses:

1.) Bank of America

2.) Com-Cast

3.) Dish Network

4.) Citigroup/ Citi Bank

5.) Wells Fargo

6.) AT&T

7.) Discovery Finances

8.) Direct TV

9.) Time Warner Cable

10.) American Express
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#203672 Jul 19, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
If you had a brain, you'd realize it was VV who denied verses. I simply answered his challenge and proved him wrong.
You once again exposed your ignorant bigotry.
"Gay Christian GOOD! Straight Christian BAD!" Big D 12:3
Big D

Modesto, CA

#203673 Jul 19, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
If you had a brain, you'd realize it was VV who denied verses. I simply answered his challenge and proved him wrong.
You once again exposed your ignorant bigotry.
and if you even had half a brain you would realize that everything you are saying to others, applies to what you are saying.

You are calling yourself a reprobate, you are guilty of the same level of ignoring that he is, that you are everything bad that you claim he is. That you are guilty of the same level of heresy that you claim he is.
Mikey

Fullerton, CA

#203674 Jul 19, 2013
Gustavo wrote:
<quoted text>
Too long and boring, so please STFU
Too short and boring, so please STFU too.
Mikey

Fullerton, CA

#203675 Jul 19, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
<quoted text>
"Gay Christian GOOD! Straight Christian BAD!" Big D 12:3
Another little antagonistic 'jab' from the ignorant, bored game playing astroll..Yawn..

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