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Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

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A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#203662 Jul 19, 2013
Mikey wrote:
<quoted text>
They also cover up ANY race when reporting. But then it's all about you isn't it POS? Guess that's why they termed it the 'bigot persecution syndrome'.
Relax fruitloops.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#203663 Jul 19, 2013
Mikey wrote:
<quoted text>
umm. that's not fact. That is your insecurity and weak minded fantasy that you've chosen to follow, talking.
Mikey said, weak minded and insecure.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#203664 Jul 19, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
<quoted text>
I was in the process of writing a small dissertation in response to what I have come to consider a so-called Christian "drive-by". You know what I'm talking about... Those one or two, cherry-picked pieces of scripture that you guys lob at gays as "proof positive" that Christ disapproves of homosexuality.
But I'll try to keep it brief...
1.) Paul was a fallible man.
2.) He was raised a Jew. He was brought up in the ancient Jewish traditions. He had been heavily influenced throughout his life; believing that the way to worship God was through the strict adherence to the 613 commandments handed down by God. He was considered to be a somewhat ruthless Rabi prior to his conversion.
3.) I believe that even though he converted to following Christ, he never made the full transition to living a life without following extremely structured laws. He had a new set of laws. But laws and commandments were always important to him.
4.) Paul's letter to the religious leaders in the city of Corinth was in response to a letter they had sent to him. They needed "clarification". They wanted specifics on how to correctly follow Christ's teachings. And Paul, with his long history of being reliant upon laws and commandments, gave them exactly what he thought they needed.
5.) At no point in his letters to anyone do I believe Paul thought, "I'm writing this letter with the knowledge that they will one day be included in a collection of stories and letters that Christians will entitled,'The Books of the New Testament'."
These letters were written to specific people to address specific issues. I'm not sure what Paul's letters would have looked like had he known that one day an INCREDIBLE amount of importance would be placed on them.
It's very important to keep this in context.
6.) The world that Paul lived in is very different than the world that we live in. During that time, there was there was no scientific or medical understanding of chemical dependency.
Given what we know now--that some people are born with a gene that predisposes them to alcoholism--it is unlikely that God would refuse them entrance to Heaven because of their medical problem.
The same is true with homosexuality. We now know that homosexuality is not a disorder. It is not a choice and is therefore biologically based.
This is not to say that homosexuality and chemical dependence can be compared to one another. Obviously, someone who is chemically dependent has difficulty functioning either in their personal life or within society.
Homosexuality DOES NOT impair people the way that chemical dependency does.
My point is that we live in a different world--a different time--with different understandings about these and other issues than those who lived in ancient Greece.
5.) Final point... God didn't stop speaking to people when the final book of the New Testament was canonized. As I've shared before, He spoke to me about my being gay. He has spoken to many other gay Christians.
Regardless of what early Christian leaders may have said on the subject, we know--through our faith in Christ and belief in God--that we're living the life that God gave to us.
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Now, I'm sure you have all kinds of responses to my post. That's fine. Go right ahead and attempt to argue, convert, explain, etc. But you're not going to move me. And you're not going to move others.
I would appreciate it if you stopped lobbing scripture at me and others as though you know how God will judge us when we stand before Him.
You don't know. No one knows. So just drop it.
So much for brevity...
Too wordy. Switch to decaf.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#203665 Jul 19, 2013
Gustavo wrote:
<quoted text>
Too long and boring, so please STFU
You tell him Gustavo you silly jackass!
China Wall

Monrovia, CA

#203666 Jul 19, 2013
July 2013

Communist China has a very big problem right now, supply and return formula in economics 101.

China doesnít know how to slow down that itís a runaway economy that falls over if it stops moving forward.

A wall of their own making is about to stop them but the ripple effects will be felt around the world when it does!

It will be called the China Depression not recession but a full blown world wide depression.

July 2013
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#203667 Jul 19, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
<quoted text>
I was in the process of writing a small dissertation in response to what I have come to consider a so-called Christian "drive-by". You know what I'm talking about... Those one or two, cherry-picked pieces of scripture that you guys lob at gays as "proof positive" that Christ disapproves of homosexuality.
But I'll try to keep it brief...
1.) Paul was a fallible man.
2.) He was raised a Jew. He was brought up in the ancient Jewish traditions. He had been heavily influenced throughout his life; believing that the way to worship God was through the strict adherence to the 613 commandments handed down by God. He was considered to be a somewhat ruthless Rabi prior to his conversion.
3.) I believe that even though he converted to following Christ, he never made the full transition to living a life without following extremely structured laws. He had a new set of laws. But laws and commandments were always important to him.
4.) Paul's letter to the religious leaders in the city of Corinth was in response to a letter they had sent to him. They needed "clarification". They wanted specifics on how to correctly follow Christ's teachings. And Paul, with his long history of being reliant upon laws and commandments, gave them exactly what he thought they needed.
5.) At no point in his letters to anyone do I believe Paul thought, "I'm writing this letter with the knowledge that they will one day be included in a collection of stories and letters that Christians will entitled,'The Books of the New Testament'."
These letters were written to specific people to address specific issues. I'm not sure what Paul's letters would have looked like had he known that one day an INCREDIBLE amount of importance would be placed on them.
It's very important to keep this in context.
6.) The world that Paul lived in is very different than the world that we live in. During that time, there was there was no scientific or medical understanding of chemical dependency.
Given what we know now--that some people are born with a gene that predisposes them to alcoholism--it is unlikely that God would refuse them entrance to Heaven because of their medical problem.
The same is true with homosexuality. We now know that homosexuality is not a disorder. It is not a choice and is therefore biologically based.
This is not to say that homosexuality and chemical dependence can be compared to one another. Obviously, someone who is chemically dependent has difficulty functioning either in their personal life or within society.
Homosexuality DOES NOT impair people the way that chemical dependency does.
My point is that we live in a different world--a different time--with different understandings about these and other issues than those who lived in ancient Greece.
5.) Final point... God didn't stop speaking to people when the final book of the New Testament was canonized. As I've shared before, He spoke to me about my being gay. He has spoken to many other gay Christians.
Regardless of what early Christian leaders may have said on the subject, we know--through our faith in Christ and belief in God--that we're living the life that God gave to us.
----------
Now, I'm sure you have all kinds of responses to my post. That's fine. Go right ahead and attempt to argue, convert, explain, etc. But you're not going to move me. And you're not going to move others.
I would appreciate it if you stopped lobbing scripture at me and others as though you know how God will judge us when we stand before Him.
You don't know. No one knows. So just drop it.
So much for brevity...
Way too long. Switch to decaf.
Big D

Modesto, CA

#203668 Jul 19, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
You made the claim that scripture didn't instruct us in judging sin. I simply used one of many passages that prove otherwise.
I am fully aware that as a reprobate you disparage the Bible. Your views are classic heresy.
So you live by some passages and totally ignore others, seems to me you are a reprobate that disparages your own bible and your view is heresy, as you ignore the bible also.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#203669 Jul 19, 2013
Big D wrote:
<quoted text>
So you live by some passages and totally ignore others, seems to me you are a reprobate that disparages your own bible and your view is heresy, as you ignore the bible also.
Run that by us again? He's a reprobate that disparages the bible and ignores it also?

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#203670 Jul 19, 2013
Big D wrote:
<quoted text>
So you live by some passages and totally ignore others, seems to me you are a reprobate that disparages your own bible and your view is heresy, as you ignore the bible also.
If you had a brain, you'd realize it was VV who denied verses. I simply answered his challenge and proved him wrong.

You once again exposed your ignorant bigotry.
Worst businesses

Monrovia, CA

#203671 Jul 19, 2013
Worst businesses in America NOW other than the Chinese run or ruined businesses:

1.) Bank of America

2.) Com-Cast

3.) Dish Network

4.) Citigroup/ Citi Bank

5.) Wells Fargo

6.) AT&T

7.) Discovery Finances

8.) Direct TV

9.) Time Warner Cable

10.) American Express
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#203672 Jul 19, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
If you had a brain, you'd realize it was VV who denied verses. I simply answered his challenge and proved him wrong.
You once again exposed your ignorant bigotry.
"Gay Christian GOOD! Straight Christian BAD!" Big D 12:3
Big D

Modesto, CA

#203673 Jul 19, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
If you had a brain, you'd realize it was VV who denied verses. I simply answered his challenge and proved him wrong.
You once again exposed your ignorant bigotry.
and if you even had half a brain you would realize that everything you are saying to others, applies to what you are saying.

You are calling yourself a reprobate, you are guilty of the same level of ignoring that he is, that you are everything bad that you claim he is. That you are guilty of the same level of heresy that you claim he is.
Mikey

Fullerton, CA

#203674 Jul 19, 2013
Gustavo wrote:
<quoted text>
Too long and boring, so please STFU
Too short and boring, so please STFU too.
Mikey

Fullerton, CA

#203675 Jul 19, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
<quoted text>
"Gay Christian GOOD! Straight Christian BAD!" Big D 12:3
Another little antagonistic 'jab' from the ignorant, bored game playing astroll..Yawn..
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#203676 Jul 19, 2013
Mikey wrote:
<quoted text>Too short and boring, so please STFU too.
Good one Mikey!
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#203677 Jul 19, 2013
Big D wrote:
<quoted text>
and if you even had half a brain you would realize that everything you are saying to others, applies to what you are saying.
You are calling yourself a reprobate, you are guilty of the same level of ignoring that he is, that you are everything bad that you claim he is. That you are guilty of the same level of heresy that you claim he is.
Whoa whoa whoa, easy now, slow down. "and if you even had half a brain you would realize that everything you are saying to others, applies to what you are saying."

Run that by us again? Everything he is saying applies to what he is saying?
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#203678 Jul 19, 2013
Mikey wrote:
<quoted text>
Another little antagonistic 'jab' from the ignorant, bored game playing astroll..Yawn..
>fart<

“KiMare'a the Monster Mutation”

Since: Nov 10

Location hidden

#203679 Jul 19, 2013
Mikey wrote:
<quoted text>
Another little antagonistic 'jab' from the ignorant, bored game playing astroll..Yawn..
Hardly. Big d's double standard validates the assessment.

Your false brush off only exposes your bias.

“Crusading Fundies r hilarious!”

Since: Feb 11

Location hidden

#203680 Jul 19, 2013
RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text>Seems like every post that the atheist post can easily be explained. Maybe before posting your silly verses here and there and between, research it and find the meaning so you won't look so foolish.
The meaning is dependent upon the reader and what they want to hear. Once one understands that, it becomes people like you, that think they have the "true" meaning, that look foolish.

Here, this is what you all look like to us.
https://twitter.com/S_A_J_I/status/1100400874...

Since: Dec 09

Knoxville, TN

#203681 Jul 19, 2013
KiMare wrote:
<quoted text>
You made the claim that scripture didn't instruct us in judging sin. I simply used one of many passages that prove otherwise.
I am fully aware that as a reprobate you disparage the Bible. Your views are classic heresy.
You cannot see the forest for the trees. I guarantee that my early struggles with my orientation and eventual coming to terms with being a gay Christian leaves me in a better position than you to determine how I should live.

I didn't just give myself over to being a gay man without any thought at all. I studied. I prayed. I sought counsel. And at the end of the day, it's my life and my relationship with God that is most important to me.

You know that old saying, "When you are a hammer, everything you see is a nail"? Well, "When you are a pastor, everything you see is a Bible verse". It's the only tool that you can tangibly grasp. So you run to it every single time.

"Heresy" is just another boogeyman, scare tactic that you and others use to try to "convert". You have your dogma and you insist that others follow it lest they be cast into the fiery depths of hell.

Stop trying to scare people into following Christ. That wasn't His way. That wasn't why He died.

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