Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

Aug 4, 2010 | Posted by: Topix | Full story: www.cnn.com

A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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<quoted text>Yep, hey they where unconstitutional. No really, we don't vote on many laws. Thats what we have congress for.
There's a difference between not voting on any laws and voting on some. The people do vote. Now only if it counted, not once but twice.

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Rock Hudson wrote:
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Just....wipe your fingers on the drapes.
But now the drapes are on fire.:)

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We've been marching on a path towards equality and freedom since the American Revolution.
Freedom and equality is like the mythical monster, Hydra. Each time you cut off one head, two more grow back in its place.
Each time we feel that we've established freedom and equality for a particular group in this country, we see another group (or groups) of people who do not have access to certain rights that others take for granted.
You say that the benefits of marriage were not intended for gays. I say they were. They've been intended for gays since the foundation of this country.
However, it has taken over two-centuries for society to recognize this oversight. That's why you're seeing states pass laws to level the playing field for gays. That's why we're fighting in the courts to level the playing field. That's why we're educating the public about why the we need to level the playing field.
It will be level eventually. As you look around our country and at other countries, you can clearly see that the handwriting is on the wall. Equality WILL happen.
It hasn't been an easy process. Major change in ideology is never easy. There will be growing pains.
But that does not deter us from fighting for our rights.
Where do u get this stuff from. You've been watching reruns of "Super Big D: The Animated Series" again haven't you?

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We've been marching on a path towards equality and freedom since the American Revolution.
Freedom and equality is like the mythical monster, Hydra. Each time you cut off one head, two more grow back in its place.
Equality doesn't mean everything is the same.
Each time we feel that we've established freedom and equality for a particular group in this country, we see another group (or groups) of people who do not have access to certain rights that others take for granted.
Even though that group ALREADY HAS the same right.
You say that the benefits of marriage were not intended for gays. I say they were. They've been intended for gays since the foundation of this country
The benefits of marriage, the union of husband and wife, benefits the husband and wife, and society as a whole. "Gays", as a political sexual identity, did not exist, at the time the republic was founded.
However, it has taken over two-centuries for society to recognize this oversight. That's why you're seeing states pass laws to level the playing field for gays. That's why we're fighting in the courts to level the playing field. That's why we're educating the public about why the we need to level the playing field.
Yet, "gays" despite all the hoopla, aren't really that keen on marriage. Not only is the percentage of SSCs that can marry, actually do, low, more female couples marry than male, female couples tend to be more monogamous than male, and lesbian couples appear to have a higher divorce rate, than gay male couples, and the general population.
It will be level eventually. As you look around our country and at other countries, you can clearly see that the handwriting is on the wall. Equality WILL happen.
Yes, the handwriting is on he wall. Marriage rates are declining.
It hasn't been an easy process. Major change in ideology is never easy. There will be growing pains.
But that does not deter us from fighting for our rights.
Uhhhhhh...huh.....fighting for a "right", or a redefinition of everyone else's right?

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KiMare wrote:
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Please, take it apart, and show us where you are confused.
At the most basic essence, marriage is a cross cultural constraint on evolutionary mating behavior.
It's your contrived drivel... You take it apart and explain it to us. The part that throws me is "...constraint on evolutionary mating behavior."

What is it about marriage that is a constraint (restriction, prevention, limitation) on mating behavior?

From where I sit, your definition literally means that marriage is a cross-cultural restriction on evolutionary mating behavior.

See, I just don't think you've thought this thing through.

I could be wrong. Maybe you had something else in mind when you made-up your own personal definition of marriage.

Am I the only one who finds this definition puzzling? Can anyone else explain it better?

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Pietro Armando wrote:
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Equality doesn't mean everything is the same.
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Even though that group ALREADY HAS the same right.
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The benefits of marriage, the union of husband and wife, benefits the husband and wife, and society as a whole. "Gays", as a political sexual identity, did not exist, at the time the republic was founded.
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Yet, "gays" despite all the hoopla, aren't really that keen on marriage. Not only is the percentage of SSCs that can marry, actually do, low, more female couples marry than male, female couples tend to be more monogamous than male, and lesbian couples appear to have a higher divorce rate, than gay male couples, and the general population.
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Yes, the handwriting is on he wall. Marriage rates are declining.
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Uhhhhhh...huh.....fighting for a "right", or a redefinition of everyone else's right?
1.) Equality doesn't mean everything is the same? What the heck does that mean? Of course it means that everything is the same.

2.) Gays do not have the right to marry the consenting, unrelated, adult of their CHOICE--of their own gender. We cannot marry the person who we love--who we want to spend the rest of our lives with. Opposite-gender couples do have that right.

3.) Don't try to mix things up. Heterosexuals weren't a political sexual identity at the foundation of our country either. It's not about being a political group. I am a gay man, not a political issue. And gay people DID exist during the foundation of this country. If we were found to be engaging in homosexual activity, punishments were usually harsh. In fact, most were executed.

4.) Who cares who marries the most, who divorces the most? We SHOULD have the RIGHT to enter into marriage REGARDLESS of how our marriages turn out in the long-run. Heck, if heterosexual marriages were scrutinized based on their divorce rates, I guarantee you that the government would establish some kind of pre-marital evaluation to determine which couples would stay together and which would not. Then they would hand out licenses to those couples who "passed the test".
But that's not how marriage works in this country (or any other country that I am aware). So why hold same-sex couples to a different standard?

5.) So what?

6.) We are fighting for the right to marry. You know damn good and well that heterosexuals would still be able to marry one another. Same-sex marriage would have NO impact on opposite-sex marriage.
It's SO CHILDISH to argue over a word. You don't want to SHARE the word marriage with gays. My God, can you be anymore immature?

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Here is an apology to the LGBT Community and its supporters from "Exodus International" president, Alan Chambers:

"Recently, I have begun thinking again about how to apologize to the people that have been hurt by Exodus International through an experience or by a message. I have heard many firsthand stories from people called ex-gay survivors. Stories of people who went to Exodus affiliated ministries or ministers for help only to experience more trauma. I have heard stories of shame, sexual misconduct, and false hope. In every case that has been brought to my attention, there has been swift action resulting in the removal of these leaders and/or their organizations. But rarely was there an apology or a public acknowledgement by me.
And then there is the trauma that I have caused. There were several years that I conveniently omitted my ongoing same-sex attractions. I was afraid to share them as readily and easily as I do today. They brought me tremendous shame and I hid them in the hopes they would go away. Looking back, it seems so odd that I thought I could do something to make them stop. Today, however, I accept these feelings as parts of my life that will likely always be there. The days of feeling shame over being human in that way are long over, and I feel free simply accepting myself as my wife and family does. As my friends do. As God does.
Never in a million years would I intentionally hurt another person. Yet, here I sit having hurt so many by failing to acknowledge the pain some affiliated with Exodus International caused, and by failing to share the whole truth about my own story. My good intentions matter very little and fail to diminish the pain and hurt others have experienced on my watch. The good that we have done at Exodus is overshadowed by all of this.
Friends and critics alike have said itís not enough to simply change our message or website. I agree. I cannot simply move on and pretend that I have always been the friend that I long to be today. I understand why I am distrusted and why Exodus is hated.(cont...)

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Apology cont...

Please know that I am deeply sorry. I am sorry for the pain and hurt many of you have experienced. I am sorry that some of you spent years working through the shame and guilt you felt when your attractions didnít change. I am sorry we promoted sexual orientation change efforts and reparative theories about sexual orientation that stigmatized parents. I am sorry that there were times I didnít stand up to people publicly ďon my sideĒ who called you names like sodomiteóor worse. I am sorry that I, knowing some of you so well, failed to share publicly that the gay and lesbian people I know were every bit as capable of being amazing parents as the straight people that I know. I am sorry that when I celebrated a person coming to Christ and surrendering their sexuality to Him that I callously celebrated the end of relationships that broke your heart. I am sorry that I have communicated that you and your families are less than me and mine.
More than anything, I am sorry that so many have interpreted this religious rejection by Christians as Godís rejection. I am profoundly sorry that many have walked away from their faith and that some have chosen to end their lives. For the rest of my life I will proclaim nothing but the whole truth of the Gospel, one of grace, mercy and open invitation to all to enter into an inseverable relationship with almighty God.
I cannot apologize for my deeply held biblical beliefs about the boundaries I see in scripture surrounding sex, but I will exercise my beliefs with great care and respect for those who do not share them. I cannot apologize for my beliefs about marriage. But I do not have any desire to fight you on your beliefs or the rights that you seek. My beliefs about these things will never again interfere with Godís command to love my neighbor as I love myself.
You have never been my enemy. I am very sorry that I have been yours. I hope the changes in my own life, as well as the ones we announce tonight regarding Exodus International, will bring resolution, and show that I am serious in both my regret and my offer of friendship. I pledge that future endeavors will be focused on peace and common good.

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"gay marriage" has a nice ring to the very same flatliners who mock "military intelligence".
Time to change your diaper, crybaby.
Looks like it's time your doctor ups the dosage on your Aricept patch. Your dementia seems to be flaring up.

You do realize, don't you, that your comments put many of us in mind of an angry old coot who wanders out of his house in his bathrobe every so often, shakes his fist at the sky and lets out an unintelligible rant.

Then one of your neighbors sees you outside, runs over and helps you back into the house and tries to get you settled down.

Your episodes are increasing in frequency, little man. Keep it up and you're going to find yourself in a home, where they change your Depends twice a day and serve you Jello for dessert.
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Hey, the polyp buster is up to three sets of negative smilies already!

KEWL!!!!

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KiMare wrote:
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Please, take it apart, and show us where you are confused.
At the most basic essence, marriage is a cross cultural constraint on evolutionary mating behavior.
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It's your contrived drivel... You take it apart and explain it to us. The part that throws me is "...constraint on evolutionary mating behavior."
What is it about marriage that is a constraint (restriction, prevention, limitation) on mating behavior?
From where I sit, your definition literally means that marriage is a cross-cultural restriction on evolutionary mating behavior.
See, I just don't think you've thought this thing through.
I could be wrong. Maybe you had something else in mind when you made-up your own personal definition of marriage.
Am I the only one who finds this definition puzzling? Can anyone else explain it better?
Not sure anyone can help you VV, if that is what you have racked your brain over... Especially considering you are a 'professional' social worker.

Here is a brief but thorough explanation;

http://voices.yahoo.com/
analyzing-human-mating-behavio r-1020545.html

This paragraph on long term mating (marriage) explains the
strategy;

"The nature of human reproduction is such that paternal parental investment is not essential to offspring survival. Consequently, short term mating strategies are more favorable to males; Buss and Schmitt (1993) assert that by inseminating as many females as possible while providing as little parental investment as possible, males increase the odds of forwarding their genes. In contrast, the large amount of parental investment required by females makes long term mating strategies much more favorable for them. By attaining the commitment of their male counterparts, females can capitalize on the consequent non-genetic resources provided by the male (food, protection)."

But in all honesty VV, you understand exactly what I said. You play dumb because you have no counter for it.

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Regarding the former Exodus International leader's apology;

While I agree with his transition from a belief that orientation is a choice, here is where his change becomes a pendulum swing too far;

"I cannot apologize for my deeply held biblical beliefs about the boundaries I see in scripture surrounding sex, but I will exercise my beliefs with great care and respect for those who do not share them. I cannot apologize for my beliefs about marriage. But I do not have any desire to fight you on your beliefs or the rights that you seek. My beliefs about these things will never again interfere with Godís command to love my neighbor as I love myself."

Truth and love are not in conflict. His decision to restrict truth because of love in fact fractures love. The Biblical command is to speak the truth in love.
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KiMare wrote:
Regarding the former Exodus International leader's apology;
While I agree with his transition from a belief that orientation is a choice, here is where his change becomes a pendulum swing too far;
"I cannot apologize for my deeply held biblical beliefs about the boundaries I see in scripture surrounding sex, but I will exercise my beliefs with great care and respect for those who do not share them. I cannot apologize for my beliefs about marriage. But I do not have any desire to fight you on your beliefs or the rights that you seek. My beliefs about these things will never again interfere with Godís command to love my neighbor as I love myself."
Truth and love are not in conflict. His decision to restrict truth because of love in fact fractures love. The Biblical command is to speak the truth in love.
Your Bible says so many things you ignore, cant help but laugh when you talk about its "commands".

Where are you with "Judge not, that ye be not judged"?

The only thing we have ever heard from you in this forum is judgments on others, I take it you pick and choose yourself what is important in your Bible and what you can just ignore as crap?
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Big D wrote:
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Your Bible says so many things you ignore, cant help but laugh when you talk about its "commands".
Where are you with "Judge not, that ye be not judged"?
The only thing we have ever heard from you in this forum is judgments on others, I take it you pick and choose yourself what is important in your Bible and what you can just ignore as crap?
Lookit the hypocritical bedwetter.

The bible of the Fundamentalist Polyp Busters has an exact analogue, to wit:

"Celebrate Diversity"

which the polyp busters use or ignore at will.

Change your panties and hurry back.
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Thank you Veryvermillian for expressing your enlightenment about the reality of homosexual orientation being a fact of life.
The stories of committed same sex couples coming to light on the television has put light on the pain they have suffered from persecution by well meaning heterosexual people.
Of course the judge was right in his decision to challenge Prop.8.
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Dorn wrote:
Thank you Veryvermillian for expressing your enlightenment about the reality of homosexual orientation being a fact of life.
The stories of committed same sex couples coming to light on the television has put light on the pain they have suffered from persecution by well meaning heterosexual people.
Of course the judge was right in his decision to challenge Prop.8.
Fortunately more and more people are seeing the truth, Prop 8 has already been overturned, and the stay on that decision will be lifted shortly I am sure.

Just be cautious about lumping people into labeled boxes, that is what the other side does, donít emulate them.

I am a heterosexual, and have been for freedom and equality from the beginning.

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Big D wrote:
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Fortunately more and more people are seeing the truth, Prop 8 has already been overturned, and the stay on that decision will be lifted shortly I am sure.
Just be cautious about lumping people into labeled boxes, that is what the other side does, donít emulate them.
I am a heterosexual, and have been for freedom and equality from the beginning.
Yup. This thread days are numbered. The old Rizzo and socks can have it. It will be obsolete when the ruling comes. It will be OPEN TOPIC just for him.
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Imprtnrd wrote:
<quoted text>Yup. This thread days are numbered. The old Rizzo and socks can have it. It will be obsolete when the ruling comes. It will be OPEN TOPIC just for him.
It will happen, either with the Supreme Court ruling either today or more likely next week.

Or if they totally screw it up, it will happen in the next election cycle, either way, Prop 8 is dead.

I am still personally more interested in the DOMA decision as Prop 8 is doomed either way.

If they strike section 3, you have federal recognition, that is a very important key to it eventually being recognized in every state.
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Imprtnrd wrote:
<quoted text>Yup. This thread days are numbered. The old Rizzo and socks can have it. It will be obsolete when the ruling comes. It will be OPEN TOPIC just for him.
I do wish there was a more mature topic forum, maybe I should look around for one.
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Kleinfontein, South Africa..

A all-white encampment or prison less than an hour from South Africaís capital has been fighting to stay all-white with a segregated life style.

This of course was the norm for the country before Nelson Mandela toppled the apartheid (racists)regime.

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