Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

Aug 4, 2010 Full story: www.cnn.com 201,795

A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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#188621 Apr 14, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
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Or..... is this a veggie burger or a hamburger? Soooooo....in states where SSM is legal, what pronouncement does the state make? "Husband and husband", "wife and wife", "spouses for life", "I prounounce you married",etc?
Is this an important issue? I dunno, I suppose I could ask my nephew what happened. They went to a JoP for their marriage.
Pietro Armando wrote:
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Uhhhhh....they want to. For love, companionship, create and raise children, money, etc. DOes it matter to anyone but the two people involved as long as they're consenting adults? No state, as far as I know, requires a statment of orientation prior to issuance of a marriage license. Perhaps it should so as to prevent people marrying outside their orientation.
The above sums it up for missus sheesh and myself. Except the children part. Money is sort of involved because I didn't want my brother's meddling wives to try a grab ass on anything I've accumulated. Both are doing just that with my mother's stuff. And she's still alive!
Pietro Armando wrote:
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More than likely. Gay men don't seem to marry at the same rates as lesbians though.
Do we have statistics on this? Scratch that, found this Huffington Post article via google.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/frederick-hertz...
Apparently, women in general are more up for marriage than men are. The article offers several potential contributing factors.
Pietro Armando wrote:
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Actually so she could, I was born here.....that's silly we both were but thanks for asking.
Yer welcome.
Pietro Armando wrote:
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What kind of love? Romantic? Platonic? Friendship? etc. Suppose a couple were only marrying for the sake of "like" would the state still issue a marriage license?
Looks to be romantic love is the major driving force.
Pietro Armando wrote:
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Laws can and do change, sometimes by court order. Please explain how barring an opposite sex pair of siblings from marrying based on the possiblity of sexual reproduction, should be applied to same sex siblings when no such possibility exists?
I'm not the one bringing incest into the equation. I suspect the number of siblings wanting to get hitched is surprisingly minute.
Pietro Armando wrote:
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Thanks for the honesty, appreciated it. However, there is no compelling state interest. Society can function without men marrying men/women marrying women, and has throughout the history of the republic. If marriage is nothing more than a means by which two people, or more live thier intimate personal sexual lives with government recognition and benefits, then there's no reason to deny "marriage" to a variety of consenting adult relationships.
Perhaps the state would like to see less congestion in the courts due to battles from families not wanting their deceased gay son's lover to get anything. Perhaps gaining access to marriage would make them more accepted in general, thus reducing some of the stupidity that occurs when rednecks see two men holding hands.
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Pietro Armando wrote:
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Marriage is a legal, cultural, historical, traditional, conjugal, and/or relgious, union of husband and wife, recognized in all fifty states, and by the federal government, and around the world. It's creation dates back thousands of years, and is evident in some form, as a male female relationship, in virutally all human societies throughout history. A Civil union is a modern western legal relationship structure created to accomodate same sex pairings/couples. Yes, I know the difference.
Yet, according to the article, couples would rather marry than enter into a civil union. By the article it appears we can expect SSM divorce rates to be similar to hetero couples.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#188622 Apr 14, 2013
Xavier Breath wrote:
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Closet queens who write anti-gay propaganda while they are sneaking around sucking dick are HARDLY paragons of virtue.
But if your problem is only their credibility, why do you stress their sexuality?
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#188623 Apr 14, 2013
Xavier Breath wrote:
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Same sex sexual behavior? Wow? Did we invent something new? I don't think so.'Sexual behavior' is an adequate phrase, unless, of course, your intent is to demonize.
Or glorify.
Xavier Breath

Hoboken, NJ

#188624 Apr 14, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
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But if your problem is only their credibility, why do you stress their sexuality?
Because it speaks to their motivation to lie. Damn, are you completely stupid?
Xavier Breath

Hoboken, NJ

#188625 Apr 14, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
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Or glorify.
n your case, stupify.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#188627 Apr 14, 2013
Xavier Breath wrote:
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Because it speaks to their motivation to lie. Damn, are you completely stupid?
No. I am not stupid.

They are motivated to lie because they are gay?
Rock Hudson

Wooster, OH

#188628 Apr 14, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
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Did it mention Martians and Venusians? Why yes it did! Because men are from Mars, women are from Venus, and you're from Uranus!
I just couldn't resist.:)
Nice work, there...
:-D
Rock Hudson

Wooster, OH

#188629 Apr 14, 2013
Here's the REAL crime, being perpetrated, while we bicker..
"EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990

allows the government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995

allows the government to seize and control the communication media.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997

allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998

allows the government to seize all means of transportation, including personal cars, trucks or vehicles of any kind and total control over all highways, seaports, and waterways.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 10999

allows the government to take over all food resources and farms.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000

allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001

allows the government to take over all health, education and welfare functions.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002

designates the Postmaster General to operate a national registration of all persons.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003 allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004 allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11005

allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways and public storage facilities.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11051

specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11310

grants authority to the Department of Justice to enforce the plans set out in Executive Orders, to institute industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11049

assigns emergency preparedness function to federal departments and agencies, consolidating 21 operative Executive Orders issued over a fifteen year period.

EXECUTIVE ORDER 11921

allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and distribution, of energy sources, wages, salaries, credit and the flow of money in U.S. financial institution in any undefined national emergency. It also provides that when a state of emergency is declared by the President, Congress cannot review the action for six months. The Federal Emergency Management Agency has broad powers in every aspect of the nation. General Frank Salzedo, chief of FEMA's Civil Security Division stated in a 1983 conference that he saw FEMA's role as a "new frontier in the protection of individual and governmental leaders from assassination, and of civil and military installations from sabotage and/or attack, as well as prevention of dissident groups from gaining access to U.S. opinion, or a global audience in times of crisis." FEMA's powers were consolidated by President Carter to incorporate the...

National Security Act of 1947

allows for the strategic relocation of industries, services, government and other essential economic activities, and to rationalize the requirements for manpower, resources and production facilities.

1950 Defense Production Act

gives the President sweeping powers over all aspects of the economy.

Act of August 29, 1916

authorizes the Secretary of the Army, in time of war, to take possession of any transportation system for transporting troops, material, or any other purpose related to the emergency.

International Emergency Economic Powers Act

enables the President to seize the property of a foreign country or national. These powers were transferred to FEMA in a sweeping consolidation in 1979."
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#188630 Apr 14, 2013
just the facts wrote:
<quoted text>How many guys have you blown?
I have never s*cked a d!ck and I am getting quite old. I don't want to try it now because I might find that I like it! And then I'd be really depressed that I have missed out all these years.

So I can pretty much guarantee you I will never suck a d!ck.

How many have you s*cked? Bet ya lost count eh Romeo? YUK!YUK!YUK! Hell yeah! Believe me so have I with the ladies!
Rock Hudson

Wooster, OH

#188631 Apr 14, 2013
There over 800 prison camps in the United States, all fully operational and ready to receive prisoners. They are all staffed and even surrounded by full-time guards, but they are all empty. These camps are to be operated by FEMA (Federal Emergency Management Agency) should Martial Law need to be implemented in the United States and all it would take is a presidential signature on a proclamation and the attorney general's signature on a warrant to which a list of names is attached. Ask yourself if you really want to be on Ashcroft's list.

The Rex 84 Program was established on the reasoning that if a "mass exodus" of illegal aliens crossed the Mexican/US border, they would be quickly rounded up and detained in detention centers by FEMA. Rex 84 allowed many military bases to be closed down and to be turned into prisons.

Operation Cable Splicer and Garden Plot are the two sub programs which will be implemented once the Rex 84 program is initiated for its proper purpose. Garden Plot is the program to control the population. Cable Splicer is the program for an orderly takeover of the state and local governments by the federal government. FEMA is the executive arm of the coming police state and thus will head up all operations. The Presidential Executive Orders already listed on the Federal Register also are part of the legal framework for this operation.

The camps all have railroad facilities as well as roads leading to and from the detention facilities. Many also have an airport nearby. The majority of the camps can house a population of 20,000 prisoners. Currently, the largest of these facilities is just outside of Fairbanks, Alaska. The Alaskan facility is a massive mental health facility and can hold approximately 2 million people.

Now let's review the justification for any actions taken...

Executive Orders associated with FEMA that would suspend the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. These Executive Orders have been on record for nearly 30 years and could be enacted by the stroke of a Presidential pen. Due to the suspension of Posse Comitatus.
Rock Hudson

Wooster, OH

#188632 Apr 14, 2013
Watch the movies, the videos.
http://www.campfema.com/obama-youth-army_camp...
One video has the 6 yr old swearing that they "Love Obama", reminiscent of the North Koreans mantras of loving the "Dear Leader", thanking him for life, and vision, and everything else.

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#188633 Apr 14, 2013
Xavier Breath wrote:
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Same sex sexual behavior? Wow? Did we invent something new? I don't think so.'Sexual behavior' is an adequate phrase, unless, of course, your intent is to demonize.
"Just the facts" accused Rock of making "SSSB" up. I showed it was in use as an abbreviation. "sexual behavior" is too vague. Really, intent to demonize? Paranoid much?
Rock Hudson

Wooster, OH

#188635 Apr 14, 2013
And now, we have talk on the news, as was already mentioned by the fellow from Covina, about how we don't own our children anymore, the "Collective" does, community ownership of our kids, not parental responsibility, and ABC-News says that this is a "Non-issue". Sound familiar?
Rock Hudson

Wooster, OH

#188636 Apr 14, 2013
Xavier Breath wrote:
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Paul Cameron and George Rekers are both closet queens and discredited quacks. So forgive me if I don't feel sorry for your propaganda artists, because that's all they are.
Hey, fair's fair, we don't buy any of the hogwash from your propaganda artists, either... Why should we go and destroy a perfectly good "hate-hate" forum, now?

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#188638 Apr 14, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
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Did you know that Dr. George Rekers had to bow out of the Family Research Institute after he was found to have employed the services of a paid male escort (i.e.: prostitute) to accompany him to Europe?
The escort spilled the beans--including the nude massages and sex that took place.
Your dear Dr. Rekers is a big, old queen, honey! He's a self-loathing queen, but he's a queen nonetheless.
And Dr. Paul Cameron is so far up the Family Research Institute's ass that he can't be taken seriously.
I mean really... Is this the best you can come up with?
Helllooooooo....it simply shows that "SSSB" is a an abbreviation for "same sex sexual behavior". As to the rest, I will defer to you for now.
Rock Hudson

Wooster, OH

#188639 Apr 14, 2013
And, welcome to Glendale..
"Another site is located in Brand Park in Glendale. There are newly constructed fences
(all outfitted with new wiring that point inward). The fences surround a dry reservoir.
There are also new buildings situated in the area. We questioned the idea that there
were four armed military personnel walking the park. Since when does a public park
need armed guards?"

“Vita e' Bella.”

Since: May 12

Location hidden

#188641 Apr 14, 2013
sheesh void of hate wrote:
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Is this an important issue? I dunno, I suppose I could ask my nephew what happened. They went to a JoP for their marriage.
<quoted text>
The above sums it up for missus sheesh and myself. Except the children part. Money is sort of involved because I didn't want my brother's meddling wives to try a grab ass on anything I've accumulated. Both are doing just that with my mother's stuff. And she's still alive!
<quoted text>
Do we have statistics on this? Scratch that, found this Huffington Post article via google.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/frederick-hertz...
Apparently, women in general are more up for marriage than men are. The article offers several potential contributing factors.
<quoted text>
Yer welcome.
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Looks to be romantic love is the major driving force.
<quoted text>
I'm not the one bringing incest into the equation. I suspect the number of siblings wanting to get hitched is surprisingly minute.
<quoted text>
Perhaps the state would like to see less congestion in the courts due to battles from families not wanting their deceased gay son's lover to get anything. Perhaps gaining access to marriage would make them more accepted in general, thus reducing some of the stupidity that occurs when rednecks see two men holding hands.
\
<quoted text>
Yet, according to the article, couples would rather marry than enter into a civil union. By the article it appears we can expect SSM divorce rates to be similar to hetero couples.
Lots to respond to....but gotta give ya yet due..."missus sheesh"...that was funny...at first glance I didn't catch it...reread that part, and laughed.
Rock Hudson

Wooster, OH

#188642 Apr 14, 2013
Xavier Breath wrote:
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Paul Cameron and George Rekers are both closet queens and discredited quacks. So forgive me if I don't feel sorry for your propaganda artists, because that's all they are.
But, neither Cameron, nor Rekers, are to be discounted, as they were right on the money, regardless of you claims that they are faulty.
Rock Hudson

Wooster, OH

#188643 Apr 14, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
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Prop 8 prohibits polygamy.
What part of "ONE man ONE woman" don't you understand? Please answer, maybe we can get to the bottom of your refusal to admit prop 8 bans polygamy.
It's a simple concept really. One man One Woman means exactly what it says.
So lets have a quiz. Does One Man One Woman mean that 2 men and one woman can marry Big D?
Why would they want to? They can see that he is fixated on aliens...
Rock Hudson

Wooster, OH

#188644 Apr 14, 2013
Xavier Breath wrote:
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Still stuck on stupid, I see.
What part of polygamy was illegal BEFORE Prop 8 don't you understand? It will remain illegal after Prop 8.
The same part that had Sodomy Laws in effect. The part about Non-traditional pairing off of redundant couples. Still stuck on wearing blinders, eh?

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