Dam breaching celebrated on famed Rog...

Dam breaching celebrated on famed Rogue River

There are 23 comments on the Chico Enterprise-Record story from Oct 11, 2009, titled Dam breaching celebrated on famed Rogue River. In it, Chico Enterprise-Record reports that:

The wild and scenic Rogue River has become even wilder with the demolition of a dam that had hindered passage of salmon and steelhead to their spawning grounds for 88 years.

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stephens 1949

Chico, CA

#1 Oct 11, 2009
Hallelujah! May all who worked to make this happen be blessed! Please help us here in Northern California to see the light. Maybe when all the damn dams are taken out we will be shutting off our night lights and once again see the stars at night. No we do not need coal, nuclear or oil. For those who want longer days please move closer to the Equator.
Born In Chico

Merced, CA

#3 Oct 11, 2009
I am always amazed at how people can use one great action as a catalist to show their own ignorance.

There are many irriagation district damn in No Cal that need to be removed so the Salmon can return to the creeks & rivers. But people will always throw Oroville & Shasta Dams into the conversation when they clearly don't have any real threat to the fish. State Fish hatcheries have helped with the fish populations to off set any damage done by the major dams...
WESTIE

United States

#4 Oct 11, 2009
Wow. Just 'cause it "feels good" doesn't make it so. Everyone who thinks this is such a great event needs to take a look at history and pay attention to why these dams were originally put in. I know everyone is concerned about the poor fish, but what about the human lives lost and destruction of main roads, towns, and homes from major flooding on these rivers and creeks every year before the "fish killing dams" were constructed? Talk to the older and wiser generations that we've stuck in the nursing homes. They just sit back and shake their heads. But not to worry, I give it another 15 years and they'll be putting in more flood control projects to the tune of billions of dollars. By the way, are those who are happy about the river going back to its original state the same ones who think the levees in New Orleans should be rebuilt so people can continue to live in bottom land marsh?
case in point

Seattle, WA

#5 Oct 11, 2009
Born In Chico wrote:
I am always amazed at how people can use one great action as a catalist to show their own ignorance.
There are many irriagation district damn in No Cal that need to be removed so the Salmon can return to the creeks & rivers. But people will always throw Oroville & Shasta Dams into the conversation when they clearly don't have any real threat to the fish. State Fish hatcheries have helped with the fish populations to off set any damage done by the major dams...
you want to talk about ignorance...you say the hatcheries have off set any damage done by major dams...that is the most ignorant thing i have seen on here. There used to be wild salmon spawning in all reaches of the feather and sac, now we have minimal returns stuck in Oroville and Redding. Yes the downstream diversions are significant but the lack of suitable spawning habitat is a major contributor. The replacement of wild fish with hatchery fish has done little to mitigate those losses.
stephens 1949

Chico, CA

#6 Oct 11, 2009
Born In Chico wrote:
I am always amazed at how people can use one great action as a catalist to show their own ignorance.
There are many irriagation district damn in No Cal that need to be removed so the Salmon can return to the creeks & rivers. But people will always throw Oroville & Shasta Dams into the conversation when they clearly don't have any real threat to the fish. State Fish hatcheries have helped with the fish populations to off set any damage done by the major dams...
Born in Chico are you trying to be funny or maybe a point with sarcasm? Or could you possibly be getting a retirement check from the Department of Fish and Game?
The Fish and Game Department do not even come close to replenishing the fish that Damn Dams have destroyed.
It is as if what they are doing is poking us with a stick and laughing as this great part of nature as well as us as we are dying a slow death. And besides that we as taxpayers are way over paying them by at least 1000 fold to spread around their government propaganda of what a wonderful service they are performing. If what you say is not sarcasm than you are the new fish in the sea and you have swallowed the big hook baby, the big one.
stephens 1949

Chico, CA

#7 Oct 11, 2009
Everybody Knows wrote:
Now they should blow up Orville dam.
Man you sure have a lot of intestinal fortitude, I sure would not say something like that, for fear of any number of government bureaucracy's are just sitting on their fat butts in big easy chairs just waiting to make an example of anyone who even thinks that. But I want to personally thank you for it. And do not worry Orville Dam sits on one of the largest earth quake faults in North America. It will go down (or should I say "Wash Away") into history as one of Mankind's most greedy catastrophes. And Shasta is going to pop out like a loose filling. There will be a hole in the ground where Anderson is that will be 800 feet deep or where ever bedrock is. Scraped out by the buildings of Redding. There is no way that big chunk of lime can hold on to the bed rock over the test of time, Lord help us all then. And can you emagine "they" want to add to the top of it. The proof is in the pudding "Everything man has touched has turned to poop",sooner or later. I think the rice farmers in Richvale would be smart to invest in big boats with a long anker pitched and buried to the East of the bow. It is not a question of if, but when.
ELF

Chico, CA

#8 Oct 11, 2009
HOORAY! Now we can burn more coal to make up for the "dirty" hydroelectric power.
Yippee! I'm an environmentalist bent on making the world a dirtier place so I can whine about it
Geologist

Chico, CA

#9 Oct 11, 2009
Stephens. Do you just make this [email protected] up!

"And do not worry Orville Dam sits on one of the largest earth quake faults in North America"

There is a very minor fault in the vicinity and most, if not all the energy was released from it in the mid 1970s. It would never have been capable of anything like magnitude 7 and probably won't slip again for another 1,000 years. Idiot.
stephens 1949

Chico, CA

#13 Oct 12, 2009
By no means is the largest fault that runs pretty much 90 degrees to the San Andreas a minor fault. Even on its own it is astounding. I am sure it was intentionally ignored by Patty Brown, in his glutinous surge for fame and power, and that he should be to blame for this eventual calamity. Not to say that it isn't already showing its colors as such, with the Delta sinking 40 feet, the fighting and social unrest occurring along the facetious banks of its canal, along with the tradity to fish and other wild life. It to me is a broken arrow in the heart of California.
SJG

United States

#14 Oct 12, 2009
stephens,

lets see if I get this right - the Delta is sinking because of a fault?
stephens 1949

Chico, CA

#15 Oct 12, 2009
If you say so. But I think it is more likely to be sinking because it is not only 'not' being replenished with the water being Dammed and diverted to LA, it is also sinking because its water is being pumped out of its subterranean aquifer. And maybe its sinking could be affecting the fault who knows? It appears you think it might.
But I really do agree with those on Channel 9, 40 feet is a big big drop in the level if the land, especially when we are talking about 100's of sq miles. Don't you agree? It seems like it could only loose its "jello-i/osity". Maybe if it shrinks up/dries up enouph like an egge does without its shell it could just suck an earth quake into reality. It sure is further than I would like to fall, 40 feet I mean like that is say like out of a four story window. Like wow man it has got to effect something, don'tcha think?
HUHHH

Chico, CA

#16 Oct 12, 2009
Stephens...just out of curiousity, what color is the sky in your world?
stephens 1949

Chico, CA

#17 Oct 12, 2009
SJG wrote:
stephens,
lets see if I get this right - the Delta is sinking because of a fault?
How much do you think one acre foot of mud weighs, times 100's of sq miles?
Oh and lets not forget of how much the deltas sinking turns it into a huge 100sq mile solar reflector that,(well maybe) could be causing Al Gore to get his panties twisted.
stephens 1949

Chico, CA

#18 Oct 12, 2009
HUHHH wrote:
Stephens...just out of curiousity, what color is the sky in your world?
Changing always changing, why do you ask?
Geologist

Chico, CA

#19 Oct 12, 2009
Stephens1949
"Maybe if it shrinks up/dries up enouph like an egge does without its shell it could just suck an earth quake into reality"

Stop smoking dope for about 6 months and you will be amazed at how different the world looks.
stephens 1949

United States

#20 Oct 12, 2009
Geologist wrote:
Stephens1949
"Maybe if it shrinks up/dries up enough like an egg does without its shell it could just suck an earth quake into reality"
Stop smoking dope for about 6 months and you will be amazed at how different the world looks.
Maybe the old adage, "It takes one to know one" just doesn't hold true with Geologist. Or maybe your fear and your ignorance has made you spiteful.
Geologist

Chico, CA

#21 Oct 12, 2009
"Maybe the old adage, "It takes one to know one" just doesn't hold true with Geologist. Or maybe your fear and your ignorance has made you spiteful."

Or maybe knowing there is no monster fault under Lake Oroville means you are delusional?

Maybe knowing that you made something up to frighten people makes you a bit scary?
Whatever it takes

United States

#22 Oct 12, 2009
He does what he can to get attention and it usually works
SJG

United States

#23 Oct 12, 2009
stephens 1949 wrote:
<quoted text>
How much do you think one acre foot of mud weighs, times 100's of sq miles?
Oh and lets not forget of how much the deltas sinking turns it into a huge 100sq mile solar reflector that,(well maybe) could be causing Al Gore to get his panties twisted.
If the weight of mud is causing the sinking of the delta; could we then surmise that the oceans will never rise because the increased weight would push the underlying soil down?

I'm wondering if the oxidation of a peat soil might have anything to do with island elevation in the Delta. Then again, I think I'm grasping at straws.
stephens 1949

Chico, CA

#24 Oct 13, 2009
SJG wrote:
<quoted text>
If the weight of mud is causing the sinking of the delta; could we then surmise that the oceans will never rise because the increased weight would push the underlying soil down?
I'm wondering if the oxidation of a peat soil might have anything to do with island elevation in the Delta. Then again, I think I'm grasping at straws.
Ah yes my good man, But I will not let us be drug out to sea with this intercourse. It is the "lack of water in the Delta", the "lack of Mud" that is causing the land under the causeways to shrink like a hard boiled egg and pulling at the land mass encircling the Delta that I say "could" further destabilize the faults in and around the strata below, in turn create the eventual crumbling of our interstructures such as Oroville Dam. And with out the water the dam is carelessly diverting to LA, as you seem to be beginning to grasp, the boggie-ness/"Oxygenated-P eat Soil" will be lost forever.
But you have brought up another issue and that is the Peto-Chemical farming that is going on in the delta is also killing the boggie-ness/Oxygenated-Peat-So il. That practice is like salting the egg, only hatching and enhancing the destruction.
The best way to solve this dilemma is to remove the Damn Dam (The broken arrow Pattie Brown stuck in California's Heart) letting fresh water fill the Delta in turn rebuilding the natural habitat for the Salmon and the clams. From that fresh water the south can drink. I call it all "Sustainability".

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