Fishing the North Coast: Timing is everything for coastal river...

Or better yet, timing was everything. When you fish coastal rivers like the Smith and Eel, where flows are dictated by rainfall, timing is everything if you want to catch fish.

[JdG]

Why isn't this news paper reporting the over-fishing the Hoopas are conducting with gillnets on the trinity?

[VICKIE]

Oh, you so messed up!!! Bo Owings caught that hailbut inthe picture!!!

[VICKIE]

I'm sorry. It was Bob Owings that caught that halibut...the key stuck on my computer!!!

[GOLDENBEAR]

JdG wrote:

Why isn't this news paper reporting the over-fishing the Hoopas are conducting with gillnets on the trinity?

because the YUROKS are catching them with are GILLNETS before they get there thast why

CRYBABY

[Yurok Cutter]

JdG wrote:

Why isn't this news paper reporting the over-fishing the Hoopas are conducting with gillnets on the trinity?

It's not overfishng. It's called harvesting a sustainable resource. Something most Americans have no idea about. Ignorant ramblers like you spew your filth towards the Hoopa Indians all over these message boards but you would never dare open your mouth and say these same things in person. Uneducated people like yourself are just a waste of space. Before you bash the gillnetters realize that you yourself are squatting on Indian land. Don't bash another man's culture just because you're so disconnected from reality that you have no idea about your own. Stay true

[what]

I don't know who's over-fishing and who's not, but given the steadily dwindling salmon numbers over the past several decades, you can't say that there's been a sustainable yield. Sustainable resource - yes, sustainable yield - no. Won't go so far as to point fingers in any one direction, though, the problem is too multi-faceted to assign blame to any one source.

[Socal]

GOLDENBEAR wrote:

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because the YUROKS are catching them with are GILLNETS before they get there thast why
CRYBABY

I went fishing a few times in the Klamath and the Yuroks were catching lots of salmon. I didn't catch one! They are excellent fisherman and I respected that. Of course I was jealous! I went home and had hamburgers that night for dinner! LOL More power to them for knowing how to fish!

[Kim V]

92% of young Salmon contains toxic meth from the Indian meth factory's dumping it's waste in the rivers and streams.

[GOLDENBEAR]

Socal wrote:

<quoted text>I went fishing a few times in the Klamath and the Yuroks were catching lots of salmon. I didn't catch one! They are excellent fisherman and I respected that. Of course I was jealous! I went home and had hamburgers that night for dinner! LOL More power to them for knowing how to fish!

SHOULDA asked for one could have BARTERD maybe? Next time ask could spare a couple so you dont have to eat burgers.

[Socal]

GOLDENBEAR wrote:

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SHOULDA asked for one could have BARTERD maybe? Next time ask could spare a couple so you dont have to eat burgers.

Yeah for sure! LOL

[Joe Blow]

Since when is monofilament gillnets a true cultural practice. Why not use traditional materials for gillnets or dip nets. Jet boats are also a far cry from traditional methods of harvesting. I like the squatting comment too, real classy. Im sure theres not a problem accepting the white mans welfare checks either. Is that a traditional practice as well?

[indeed]

word joe. people use the term, "traditional methods" as it suits their purposes don't they.

[Yurok Cutter]

Joe Blow wrote:

Since when is monofilament gillnets a true cultural practice. Why not use traditional materials for gillnets or dip nets. Jet boats are also a far cry from traditional methods of harvesting. I like the squatting comment too, real classy. Im sure theres not a problem accepting the white mans welfare checks either. Is that a traditional practice as well?

I'm sure you still cut down trees with an ax instead of a chainsaw? You probably ride a bike to work instead of taking your truck? Oh yea, and I bet you heat your water in a kettle over an open fire instead of using a hot-water heater?

Get real Spanky. Just because it's a traditional practice doesn't mean that it needs to be down in primitive ways.

Yuroks are plenty wise enough to realize the ways that enable us to simplify our life and make our daily routines a little bit more enjoyable. If something can be done in a better or a more efficient way, most Yuroks will jump at that chance and learn and adapt to make things easier on themselves and the people that surround them.

[Snaggers]

Joe Blow wrote:

Since when is monofilament gillnets a true cultural practice. Why not use traditional materials for gillnets or dip nets. Jet boats are also a far cry from traditional methods of harvesting. I like the squatting comment too, real classy. Im sure theres not a problem accepting the white mans welfare checks either. Is that a traditional practice as well?

At least what they are doing is legal unlike the snagging that is happening on the Smith.

[My 2 Cents]

Kim V wrote:

92% of young Salmon contains toxic meth from the Indian meth factory's dumping it's waste in the rivers and streams.

Did you know that 94.5% of all statistics are made up on the spot?

I call BS on your comment. If you've got actual peer-reviewed data, let's see it.

[Joe Blow]

Yurok Cutter wrote:

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I'm sure you still cut down trees with an ax instead of a chainsaw? You probably ride a bike to work instead of taking your truck? Oh yea, and I bet you heat your water in a kettle over an open fire instead of using a hot-water heater?
Get real Spanky. Just because it's a traditional practice doesn't mean that it needs to be down in primitive ways.
Yuroks are plenty wise enough to realize the ways that enable us to simplify our life and make our daily routines a little bit more enjoyable. If something can be done in a better or a more efficient way, most Yuroks will jump at that chance and learn and adapt to make things easier on themselves and the people that surround them.

Come on, i didnt accuse the tribes of not being smart enough to adapt. I am questioning the "traditional" ways and privledges tribes are awarded. In my opinion there are too many entitlements given to native americans and those entitlements are abused. I dont think native americans as a whole are dumb or naive at all and know they could survive comfortably without entitlements. I think entitlements hurt the tribes by making them reliant and complacent. Its not like native americans are not accepted off the rez. They are people just like the rest of us who have talents and live lives like the rest of us. I know for a fact that i am not accepted on the rez and have been chased off more than once just because im whitey. So if you want acceptance take the chip off your shoulder. Im tired of the double standard.

[Joe Blow]

Snaggers wrote:

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At least what they are doing is legal unlike the snagging that is happening on the Smith.

Sure its legal. Just because its legal doesnt make it right. The snaggers only get a fraction of a percent of what the tribes take. At least the snaggers use the fish to feed themselves. The tribes harvest is essentially a commercial endeavor. They sell for profit.

[Yurok Cutter]

Joe Blow wrote:

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Sure its legal. Just because its legal doesnt make it right. The snaggers only get a fraction of a percent of what the tribes take. At least the snaggers use the fish to feed themselves. The tribes harvest is essentially a commercial endeavor. They sell for profit.

Yuroks fish for subsistence as well. It's the best time of the year. All about subsiding

[Pot City USA]

My 2 Cents wrote:

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Did you know that 94.5% of all statistics are made up on the spot?
I call BS on your comment. If you've got actual peer-reviewed data, let's see it.

Not true, 80% of all statistics account for 30% of the statistics used in arguements 25% of the time. In the remaing 75%, only 3% of the statistics are used. Of course everyone knows that 25% of all statistics are 60% false.

[dummy]

My 2 Cents — I think the comment you responded to was meant to be facetious. Get a clue.