State to review zebra mussels locally

In advance of the boating season, the state Executive Office of Environmental Affairs will hold a public forum on Wednesday to discuss a number of recommendations on ways to reduce the further spread of zebra mussels in state waterways. Full Story
Cheap Talk

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#1 Apr 4, 2010
They can talk all they want,But when are they going to do something about the problem.All they seem to do is talk talk talk and talk meanwhile Laurel lake is full of them and people just keep boating anf fishing there like nothing is wrong.
fisherman

West Springfield, MA

#2 Apr 5, 2010
Cheap Talk wrote:
They can talk all they want,But when are they going to do something about the problem.All they seem to do is talk talk talk and talk meanwhile Laurel lake is full of them and people just keep boating anf fishing there like nothing is wrong.


And what are the "people" supposed to do?
They are everywhere

Springfield, MA

#3 Apr 5, 2010
Cheap Talk, what can be done about it?

If it's in Laurel, it's obviously in the Housy, which runs into a LOT of bodies of water. This means they are already in Onota & Pontoosuc. It's only a matter of time before they are discovered in Onota/Pontoosuc.

Certain articles online state that lakes with lime cannot sustain the Zebra Mussels. If that is the case, Onota/Pontoosuc/Cheshire will not harbor them.

There is no way to effectively treat or prevent the spread of Zebra mussels. You can ban boats from Laurel and the housy all day long. Everyone fails to realize that geese will travel all over Berkshire County. It's very possible the geese are what brought the Mussels to the area.

The irony is the people who are all worried about the Zebra Mussels could give a CRAP about how Onota lake was drained so much for weed control that it's almost a given that the fish population took a hit. The fishing quality had steadily declined in the last 5 years and as long as the lakes are continually drawn down TOO far every winter, there will be a cold snap, heavy snow coverage and a major depletion of oxygen with a major loss. Fortunately the winters have been mild, but the winter is coming where the fishery is destroyed. All those fish that are crammed into this one deep pool that has no source of oxygen because of the water depth and no sun penetration - the fish kill will be huge.

Let's not even talk about what the weed control has done to the fishing at Richmond Pond.

Look at Cheshire lake. When the large pond is treated for weeds yearly, there is an incredible die-off. The shores are littered with bait fish, pumpkin seed & blue gill. Yet nobody complains? These fish are important to the bass population & pike population, even pickerel no matter how much fishermen hate them.
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#4 Apr 5, 2010
fisherman wrote:
<quoted text>
And what are the "people" supposed to do?
They should go to places where they don't have this problem!
Cheap Talk

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#5 Apr 5, 2010
They are everywhere wrote:
Cheap Talk, what can be done about it?
If it's in Laurel, it's obviously in the Housy, which runs into a LOT of bodies of water. This means they are already in Onota & Pontoosuc. It's only a matter of time before they are discovered in Onota/Pontoosuc.
Certain articles online state that lakes with lime cannot sustain the Zebra Mussels. If that is the case, Onota/Pontoosuc/Cheshire will not harbor them.
There is no way to effectively treat or prevent the spread of Zebra mussels. You can ban boats from Laurel and the housy all day long. Everyone fails to realize that geese will travel all over Berkshire County. It's very possible the geese are what brought the Mussels to the area.
The irony is the people who are all worried about the Zebra Mussels could give a CRAP about how Onota lake was drained so much for weed control that it's almost a given that the fish population took a hit. The fishing quality had steadily declined in the last 5 years and as long as the lakes are continually drawn down TOO far every winter, there will be a cold snap, heavy snow coverage and a major depletion of oxygen with a major loss. Fortunately the winters have been mild, but the winter is coming where the fishery is destroyed. All those fish that are crammed into this one deep pool that has no source of oxygen because of the water depth and no sun penetration - the fish kill will be huge.
Let's not even talk about what the weed control has done to the fishing at Richmond Pond.
Look at Cheshire lake. When the large pond is treated for weeds yearly, there is an incredible die-off. The shores are littered with bait fish, pumpkin seed & blue gill. Yet nobody complains? These fish are important to the bass population & pike population, even pickerel no matter how much fishermen hate them.
They need to close Laurel Lake and try to fix the problem before its to late!And yes the geese do travel from lake to lake but that's not the hole problem here.All i was trying to say is that I don't seem to think that anything has been done to try to kill these parasite's.I drive bye there evry mornning and I see peolple fishing,boating,like nothing is wrong.Do you really think that the all the people that go there wash there boats off like there supposed to do.I don't think so!Before you know it they will be in other lake's.I think the public pay's enough taxes plus the fishing and boating fee's that they should be doing something about it ASAP.But they seem to do is put up sign's.I just hope something get's quickly it's a beautiful lake i hate to see it turn into nothing but weed's like Cheshire Lake and Richmond Lake...
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#6 Apr 5, 2010
Why do we need to reveiw? We know we have them in the lake and river they need to do something about it enough talk more action!!!!!
Jackasourus

Pittsfield, MA

#7 Apr 5, 2010
Cheap Talk wrote:
<quoted text>They should go to places where they don't have this problem!
I am going to the zebra infested Hudson to do some Striper fishing wanna come? You can test for PCBS.
They are everywhere

Springfield, MA

#8 Apr 5, 2010
Cheap Talk,

There is no way to eradicate the Zebra Mussels. I'm not sure what you expect the state to do. They aren't parasites either. They have pros & cons, unfortunately in such small bodies of water here, they have far more cons than pros.

Washing a boat does not solve the problem. The mussels need only to be damp to survive out of water. I have personally never seen a boat 100% dry even after being out of water for weeks. There is always a pool of water somewhere in the prop, in the trailer, etc. Chemicals are not an option as they can be detrimental to the life in the lake beyond what poison is already dumped into the lakes.

Draining down lakes is not an option as Zebra Mussels can bury themselves in mud and survive.

Richmond and Cheshire Lake aren't beautiful? Maybe you don't know what a HEALTHY lake looks like. A healthy lake has deep weed beds for bait fish along with game fish to survive and thrive. A lake like Pontoosuc & Onota aren't exactly the healthiest lakes for the little fishy-poo's that live in there. Weeds provide oxygen more than surface agitation and they provide shelter & hunting areas for predatory fish.
coonass

Pittsfield, MA

#9 Apr 5, 2010
Cheap talk, all people in the know predict they will be in every boby of water east of the Mississippi and down to Flordia by 2020. You think you can stop them!! Good for "they are everywhere "for telling it like it is. draw downs do more harm then good, weed control is death to the fish!!!
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#10 Apr 5, 2010
They are everywhere wrote:
Cheap Talk,
There is no way to eradicate the Zebra Mussels. I'm not sure what you expect the state to do. They aren't parasites either. They have pros & cons, unfortunately in such small bodies of water here, they have far more cons than pros.
Washing a boat does not solve the problem. The mussels need only to be damp to survive out of water. I have personally never seen a boat 100% dry even after being out of water for weeks. There is always a pool of water somewhere in the prop, in the trailer, etc. Chemicals are not an option as they can be detrimental to the life in the lake beyond what poison is already dumped into the lakes.
Draining down lakes is not an option as Zebra Mussels can bury themselves in mud and survive.
Richmond and Cheshire Lake aren't beautiful? Maybe you don't know what a HEALTHY lake looks like. A healthy lake has deep weed beds for bait fish along with game fish to survive and thrive. A lake like Pontoosuc & Onota aren't exactly the healthiest lakes for the little fishy-poo's that live in there. Weeds provide oxygen more than surface agitation and they provide shelter & hunting areas for predatory fish.
Well that's too bad that there is no way of getting rid of them and your right about weeds and the fish but doesn't the mussels ruin the fish?Only time will tell i guess.
Hank Rearden

United States

#11 Apr 5, 2010
I can from experience say that Mussels do NOT ruin the fishing. Take a ride up to Champlain if you want to see the results of Mussel infestation.

Mussels are going to require that owners pull their equipment from the lake every year for cleaning and service. Now I do not know about anyone else but I pull my boat every day and wash it completely after every use. With the proper servicing of our equipment that is already called for owners will see NO effects of these Mussels. Now if you have a septic system that is dumping effluent into the lake then those pipes ARE going to need more mainanence than you are traditionally used to. I would have to ask though why your are illegally dumping your waste into a public waterway?

If you have docks along the lakes you will need to do a yearly scrape down while the water level in the lake is down, but shouldn't you be doing that anyway?
Louie

Northampton, MA

#12 Apr 6, 2010
What about the Deerfield?This river is exploited to death.They should stop all those float trips for a few years or at least start from Charlemont.All the exploiting is done by a select few rafting companies in that town anyway,no use bothering the towns upstream,they don't want nothing to do with this invasion of people and the parasites they bring.
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#13 Apr 6, 2010
Hank Rearden wrote:
I can from experience say that Mussels do NOT ruin the fishing. Take a ride up to Champlain if you want to see the results of Mussel infestation.
Mussels are going to require that owners pull their equipment from the lake every year for cleaning and service. Now I do not know about anyone else but I pull my boat every day and wash it completely after every use. With the proper servicing of our equipment that is already called for owners will see NO effects of these Mussels. Now if you have a septic system that is dumping effluent into the lake then those pipes ARE going to need more mainanence than you are traditionally used to. I would have to ask though why your are illegally dumping your waste into a public waterway?
If you have docks along the lakes you will need to do a yearly scrape down while the water level in the lake is down, but shouldn't you be doing that anyway?
You can't compare Lake Champlain to Laurel,Onota,pontoosic lake these lakes are ponds compared to Champlain there's a big difference,them Zebra's will ruin these small lake's i do beleive in time.
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#14 Apr 6, 2010
Louie wrote:
What about the Deerfield?This river is exploited to death.They should stop all those float trips for a few years or at least start from Charlemont.All the exploiting is done by a select few rafting companies in that town anyway,no use bothering the towns upstream,they don't want nothing to do with this invasion of people and the parasites they bring.
I Agree 110%..
Hank Rearden

United States

#15 Apr 8, 2010
Cheap Talk wrote:
<quoted text>You can't compare Lake Champlain to Laurel,Onota,pontoosic lake these lakes are ponds compared to Champlain there's a big difference,them Zebra's will ruin these small lake's i do beleive in time.
OK you want size, look at lake St Cathrine in VT. or Bamozine in Vt also. These are about the same size as Onota. You can believe as you wish but your belief isn't necessarily truth.

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