Clear Lake experiencing phenomenal we...

Clear Lake experiencing phenomenal weed growth

There are 69 comments on the Lake County Record-Bee story from Jun 24, 2010, titled Clear Lake experiencing phenomenal weed growth. In it, Lake County Record-Bee reports that:

High lake levels plus ultra clear water has resulted in an explosion of aquatic weeds in Clear Lake.

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Joe

United States

#42 Jul 4, 2010
Mountain Breeze wrote:
Oh come on now......"Ultra clear water" Not in this lake. I have been around this lake continuously since 1968 and Clear Lake has never been clear, especially not ultra clear. It has always been filled with bluish green algea.


OH BS
gerry

Elk Grove, CA

#43 Jul 6, 2010
samiam wrote:
It's not a weed problem. It's an ignorant people problem. The lake has been this way for a hundred thousand years. Why is it so hard for people to understand that this is a lake, not a reservoir.
The lake does not need to be saved from weeds, it needs to be saved from ignorance. All you have to do is look at the water in May. If you can see the bottom in 25' of water the weeds are going to grow. If you can't see the bottom then the weeds will not grow.
Ignorance abounds....if the lake levels were maintained with clearlake levels and management as a consideration, instead of the downstream money, the problem would be taken care of by nature. It's a people caused problem......
Koalabear2525

San Francisco, CA

#44 Jul 6, 2010
witch part of clearlake is clear ? just wondering . the Oaks channel is not that clear . Soda Bay a little green .
samiam

Kelseyville, CA

#45 Jul 6, 2010
gerry wrote:
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Ignorance abounds....if the lake levels were maintained with clearlake levels and management as a consideration, instead of the downstream money, the problem would be taken care of by nature. It's a people caused problem......
EGGGHHHHH, wrong...next.
The damn only controls four extra feet on the top of the lake. It is not a reservoir. After the four feet are gone it is all nature. If what you say was true then the weeds would not be growing when the lake is unnaturally full right? The one thing you are right about is ignorance does abound.
norcal73

Hidden Valley Lake, CA

#46 Jul 6, 2010
Just remember this. The lake depth does play a role in the invasive weed problem. Full mark on rumsey equals less weeds. As the lake gets lower, invasive weeds get more of a chance to surface. Also as the summer heat rises so does the water temps. Ever more plant life. Anyone who has lived next to the shore for many years can give you better info than an educated desk jockey with a degree.
samiam

Kelseyville, CA

#47 Jul 6, 2010
norcal73 wrote:
Just remember this. The lake depth does play a role in the invasive weed problem. Full mark on rumsey equals less weeds. As the lake gets lower, invasive weeds get more of a chance to surface. Also as the summer heat rises so does the water temps. Ever more plant life. Anyone who has lived next to the shore for many years can give you better info than an educated desk jockey with a degree.
Do you think that maybe the weeds surface because they might, I don't know, GROW!!!
I always try to give people the benefit of the doubt but I think you really are as ignorant as you appear. Whenever I run across someone who refers to a research scientist with a doctorate in ecology as an "educated desk jockey" I know that any hope of some kind of intellectual exchange of ideas is not possible.
And yes I will take the word of a scientist who has spent his life studying this lake over some alkaholic redneck who happens to own a boat dock.
Brad King - kville

San Mateo, CA

#48 Jul 7, 2010
In a nutshell, or your cranial cavity, whichever is the larger, understand that the only SURPLUS water we have is directly related to the Yolo operated dam and the decree that governs operations thereof.

The overuse of the word invasive when discussing weeds ignores the fact that there are NATIVE aquatic plants that have and should exist in Clear Lake. The level of the lake would be naturally lower if allowed to run free and the surplus we enjoy this year is not due to rainfall but retention. As is true EVERY year, this lake is overfed with nutrients that make plants grow, be they micro or macroscopic.

Deal with the nutrients ie MiddleCreekMiddleCreekMiddleCr eek, and the other problems will, if not disappear, at least become more what is NORMAL for "Clear" Lake.
norcal73

Hidden Valley Lake, CA

#49 Jul 8, 2010
samiam wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you think that maybe the weeds surface because they might, I don't know, GROW!!!
I always try to give people the benefit of the doubt but I think you really are as ignorant as you appear. Whenever I run across someone who refers to a research scientist with a doctorate in ecology as an "educated desk jockey" I know that any hope of some kind of intellectual exchange of ideas is not possible.
And yes I will take the word of a scientist who has spent his life studying this lake over some alkaholic redneck who happens to own a boat dock.
Number one- Weeds do grow. Number two- I dont drink. Number three- Take opinion from the majority who are experiencing the weed issues on Clear Lake. We are not ignorant, just fed up with a problem that started back in the 1990s. Number Four- Many of us study Clear Lake year round (we live on the shoreline). Number Five- Rednecks. True. Goes with the summertime. We are a mixed crowd of retired people. Some educated far beyond with knowledge to take thought from. Some of us have markers in the lake to follow levels and weed growth according to date. For instance, hop in your boat and go down to the channel by 1800 South Main Street Lakeport.
samiam

Kelseyville, CA

#50 Jul 8, 2010
norcal73 wrote:
<quoted text>
Number one- Weeds do grow. Number two- I dont drink. Number three- Take opinion from the majority who are experiencing the weed issues on Clear Lake. We are not ignorant, just fed up with a problem that started back in the 1990s. Number Four- Many of us study Clear Lake year round (we live on the shoreline). Number Five- Rednecks. True. Goes with the summertime. We are a mixed crowd of retired people. Some educated far beyond with knowledge to take thought from. Some of us have markers in the lake to follow levels and weed growth according to date. For instance, hop in your boat and go down to the channel by 1800 South Main Street Lakeport.
Okay I'll try once more then that's it. Looking out your window does not equal scientific research. Got it?
norcal73

Hidden Valley Lake, CA

#51 Jul 8, 2010
Did we say looking out a window? No. We are on or near the lake almost every day. So when you think about it, we are gathering observable, measurable evidence to establish facts. "scientific research". If you want to debate this, give us a date, we will give you the location, you will be given the facts by a couple hundred residents on Clear Lake, verbal and/or paperwork, pics, physical evidence. Just to make sure you have the actual facts.
samiam wrote:
<quoted text>
Okay I'll try once more then that's it. Looking out your window does not equal scientific research. Got it?
samiam

Kelseyville, CA

#52 Jul 8, 2010
norcal73 wrote:
Did we say looking out a window? No. We are on or near the lake almost every day. So when you think about it, we are gathering observable, measurable evidence to establish facts. "scientific research". If you want to debate this, give us a date, we will give you the location, you will be given the facts by a couple hundred residents on Clear Lake, verbal and/or paperwork, pics, physical evidence. Just to make sure you have the actual facts.
<quoted text>
A couple of hundred? Now that we have established the fact that you are a liar we are done.
My dog is smarter

United States

#53 Jul 8, 2010
Where do I start? Weeds and algae only a problem since the 90's? Ha ha ha ha ha..........
"It is a singular fact, illustrating the inaptness with which names are often given to natural objects, that the water of Clear Lake is never
clear. It is so-cloudy, to use a mild word, that you cannot see three feet below the surface. The color of the water is a yellowish brown, varying indefinitely with the varying light. The water has an earthy taste, like swamp-water, and is suggestive of moss and water-plants. In fact, the bottom of the lake, except in deep places, is covered with a deep, dense moss, which sometimes rises to the surface, and often to such an extent in summer as to seriously obstruct the passage of boats through the water.
There are large soda-springs boiling up at various points in the bed of the lake, which discharge into it vast quantities of soda-water daily.
A reddish-brown, frothy substance is produced in such abundance by the natural evaporation of the soda-water that the lake in places seems
to be full of it.
In winter, the water is cool and not disagreeable, in spite of its earthy taste; but, in summer, it grows warm, the swampy flavor becomes intensified,
the frothy substance from the soda-water increases, the plants and moss from the bottom float in great quantities in the water, and it becomes unfit to drink."
Sound like it was written today? Last year? 10 years ago? Try 1873 by a man named Livingston Stone.
See in the last line where he says, "the plants and moss from the bottom float in great quantities in the water, and it becomes unfit to drink."
Hey geniuses, just what do you think he ment by that? Here is a clue:
Clear Lake has not changed much in over 125 years!!!
Please read some and stop with the "I have been here for over 10 years and the lake has not been so bad" comments.
What next, bring some sea lions to Clear Lake to clear up the carp problem..........Oh never mind, some moron already suggested that once!!!
norcal73

Hidden Valley Lake, CA

#54 Jul 9, 2010
Try us. It would be easy to do. You cant establish the fact. We could set it up in a heartbeat.
samiam wrote:
<quoted text>
A couple of hundred? Now that we have established the fact that you are a liar we are done.
norcal73

Hidden Valley Lake, CA

#55 Jul 9, 2010
Thanks. Algae, moss, and the orginal natural plant life of this lake (not a big deal). The only thing that many concerned residents have in mind is the new plant life that is taking the lake over the recent years.
My dog is smarter wrote:
Where do I start? Weeds and algae only a problem since the 90's? Ha ha ha ha ha..........
"It is a singular fact, illustrating the inaptness with which names are often given to natural objects, that the water of Clear Lake is never
clear. It is so-cloudy, to use a mild word, that you cannot see three feet below the surface. The color of the water is a yellowish brown, varying indefinitely with the varying light. The water has an earthy taste, like swamp-water, and is suggestive of moss and water-plants. In fact, the bottom of the lake, except in deep places, is covered with a deep, dense moss, which sometimes rises to the surface, and often to such an extent in summer as to seriously obstruct the passage of boats through the water.
There are large soda-springs boiling up at various points in the bed of the lake, which discharge into it vast quantities of soda-water daily.
A reddish-brown, frothy substance is produced in such abundance by the natural evaporation of the soda-water that the lake in places seems
to be full of it.
In winter, the water is cool and not disagreeable, in spite of its earthy taste; but, in summer, it grows warm, the swampy flavor becomes intensified,
the frothy substance from the soda-water increases, the plants and moss from the bottom float in great quantities in the water, and it becomes unfit to drink."
Sound like it was written today? Last year? 10 years ago? Try 1873 by a man named Livingston Stone.
See in the last line where he says, "the plants and moss from the bottom float in great quantities in the water, and it becomes unfit to drink."
Hey geniuses, just what do you think he ment by that? Here is a clue:
Clear Lake has not changed much in over 125 years!!!
Please read some and stop with the "I have been here for over 10 years and the lake has not been so bad" comments.
What next, bring some sea lions to Clear Lake to clear up the carp problem..........Oh never mind, some moron already suggested that once!!!
My dog is smarter

Lakeport, CA

#56 Jul 9, 2010
"The only thing that many concerned residents have in mind is the new plant life that is taking the lake over the recent years."

Care to tell us what "new" plant life, and how "recent" that would be?

The only one I know of is Hydrilla and that is far from taking over. In fact, they have not found any Hydrilla in Clear Lake this year.
Soda Bay

Sausalito, CA

#57 Jul 10, 2010
I enjoy reading posts on this forum to educate myself on various issues impacting Lake County. I often find myself frustrated at the lack of civility and just plain idiots who think they know everything.

I have spent every summer for the past 35 years on Soda Bay. I would agree, the lake has never been clear and the clarity has improved dramatically over the years. I recall that it was about 2003 the aquatic vegetation started to really take off. I know this because we can no longer swim off our dock, fish, or get our boat out without problems.

Our block of about 22 homes now has 4 for sale. Several have been on the market for over a year with prices drastically reduced. While I am sure the economy has something to do with it, none of them are foreclosures. People donít want to come up and swim and boat in weeds and algae.

You might say stay home; if people continue to avoid the area it will continue to have one of the highest unemployment rates in the state. I think there are several things that are being done to improve the quality of the lake, in some regards it is too little too late.
samiam

Kelseyville, CA

#58 Jul 10, 2010
Soda Bay wrote:
I enjoy reading posts on this forum to educate myself on various issues impacting Lake County. I often find myself frustrated at the lack of civility and just plain idiots who think they know everything.
I have spent every summer for the past 35 years on Soda Bay. I would agree, the lake has never been clear and the clarity has improved dramatically over the years. I recall that it was about 2003 the aquatic vegetation started to really take off. I know this because we can no longer swim off our dock, fish, or get our boat out without problems.
Our block of about 22 homes now has 4 for sale. Several have been on the market for over a year with prices drastically reduced. While I am sure the economy has something to do with it, none of them are foreclosures. People donít want to come up and swim and boat in weeds and algae.
You might say stay home; if people continue to avoid the area it will continue to have one of the highest unemployment rates in the state. I think there are several things that are being done to improve the quality of the lake, in some regards it is too little too late.
In years when the water is clear, in the spring, the sun can reach the bottom causing the weeds to grow. In years when there is a lot of algae the sun can't reach the bottom so the weeds don't grow. It has been this way in the lake for hundreds of thousands of years. I find it interesting that the same people that cryed for years about the algae are now crying because the lake is too clear.
What frsrates me is a buch of ignorant people making statements about this lake that have no connection with fact. What is really sad is they would only have to spend about ten minutes reading a book to learn about the lake but they won't do that because for some reason they wear their ignorance as a badge of honor.
norcal73

Hidden Valley Lake, CA

#59 Jul 11, 2010
Thank you for ringing in on this topic. Many of the people of Lakeport as well are tired of this. Some of these forum junkies dont understand what has been happening on Clear Lake. The swimming that once was. The enjoyment of taking a boat for a ride with family and friends. This lake has changed dramatically and some of the others dont see it. You and I know the Algae has been here since day one along with some plant life. Sure would be nice if the lake was cured of the new species of plant life. We need a place where pics can be posted to show the lake of the 20th century. Show the lake what it once was. At this rate, prices of homes will stay low.
Soda Bay wrote:
I enjoy reading posts on this forum to educate myself on various issues impacting Lake County. I often find myself frustrated at the lack of civility and just plain idiots who think they know everything.
I have spent every summer for the past 35 years on Soda Bay. I would agree, the lake has never been clear and the clarity has improved dramatically over the years. I recall that it was about 2003 the aquatic vegetation started to really take off. I know this because we can no longer swim off our dock, fish, or get our boat out without problems.
Our block of about 22 homes now has 4 for sale. Several have been on the market for over a year with prices drastically reduced. While I am sure the economy has something to do with it, none of them are foreclosures. People donít want to come up and swim and boat in weeds and algae.
You might say stay home; if people continue to avoid the area it will continue to have one of the highest unemployment rates in the state. I think there are several things that are being done to improve the quality of the lake, in some regards it is too little too late.
samiam

Clearlake, CA

#60 Jul 11, 2010
norcal73 wrote:
Thank you for ringing in on this topic. Many of the people of Lakeport as well are tired of this. Some of these forum junkies dont understand what has been happening on Clear Lake. The swimming that once was. The enjoyment of taking a boat for a ride with family and friends. This lake has changed dramatically and some of the others dont see it. You and I know the Algae has been here since day one along with some plant life. Sure would be nice if the lake was cured of the new species of plant life. We need a place where pics can be posted to show the lake of the 20th century. Show the lake what it once was. At this rate, prices of homes will stay low.
<quoted text>
Pay attention people. It's people like this who insisted we need to get rid of all those nasty wetlands. Weeds don't ruin the lake, ignorant people who only want to maintain their home values do.
My dog is smarter

United States

#61 Jul 11, 2010
" Sure would be nice if the lake was cured of the new species of plant life. We need a place where pics can be posted to show the lake of the 20th century. Show the lake what it once was. At this rate, prices of homes will stay low."

I'm still waiting for you to tell me "exactly" what "new" weeds are in the lake. Go on, tell me the names of the "new" weeds and what year they were introduced into Clear Lake.

Sam and Brad, save your breath. The people that should go to the show at the BOS chambers won't, and are the same people that dump bleach in the waters of Clear Lake to "solve problems" like weeds and algae. Those same people do not have a clue what it costs to "control" aquatic weeds. I do, it's about a grand/acre/year. You do the math norcal and tell me how much $$$ it would cost to "control" some weeds in Clear Lake.

Like I said, my dog is smarter and we are screwed.

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